Andy84 Posted June 10, 2017 Share Posted June 10, 2017 They are going to have to get a shift on, don't they need a whole new team? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cp40 Posted June 10, 2017 Share Posted June 10, 2017 They are going to have to get a shift on, don't they need a whole new team? + manager + new owner. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Optimistic Nut Posted June 10, 2017 Share Posted June 10, 2017 It's very similar to where we were in 2009, except for the very good players to get up. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dokko Posted June 10, 2017 Share Posted June 10, 2017 Consortium's very rarely have much cash and see it as a business opportunity only. Depends if any of them have experience running a football club, generally those who don't struggle and they are in a shit state already. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
morpeth mag Posted June 10, 2017 Share Posted June 10, 2017 At least the Germans will be used to a business model based around cheap tickets from the Bundersliga. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ketsbaia Posted June 10, 2017 Share Posted June 10, 2017 Maybe they'll copy Norwich and Huddersfield and get a young German coach. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest reefatoon Posted June 10, 2017 Share Posted June 10, 2017 One look at their finances and they will leg it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wallsendmag Posted June 10, 2017 Share Posted June 10, 2017 They were hemorrhaging money at a ridiculous rate when they were on the gravy train of the richest league on the planet and Short has had to bail them out with over £100m of his own money just to keep them going. The have a stadium which is now 20 years old and was built very cheaply (£15m iirc) and is now needing quite a bit of money spent on it and a playing squad worth very little, but costing them a fortune in salaries. To compound that, they have a supporter base that refuses to pay for tickets and as a result they generally make a loss on home cup fixtures as very few people turn up to these games as they have to charge a nominal amount for entry due to the receipts being shared. Anyone paying more than the £1 Bob Murray sold it to Drumaville for really needs their head examining. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dokko Posted June 10, 2017 Share Posted June 10, 2017 £15m for that stadium is superb business. Really the only thing needed is new seats. £750k a year and still going. Remarkable really. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Figures 1-0 Football Posted June 10, 2017 Share Posted June 10, 2017 This is marvellous. Going to add further delay to their pre-season as they'll not want to hire anyone during this period of uncertainty. Then this 'deal' will fall through and they'll be in a bigger mess. Yay. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmojorisin75 Posted June 10, 2017 Share Posted June 10, 2017 maybe they've been saving up Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hithere Posted June 10, 2017 Share Posted June 10, 2017 They were hemorrhaging money at a ridiculous rate when they were on the gravy train of the richest league on the planet and Short has had to bail them out with over £100m of his own money just to keep them going. The have a stadium which is now 20 years old and was built very cheaply (£15m iirc) and is now needing quite a bit of money spent on it and a playing squad worth very little, but costing them a fortune in salaries. To compound that, they have a supporter base that refuses to pay for tickets and as a result they generally make a loss on home cup fixtures as very few people turn up to these games as they have to charge a nominal amount for entry due to the receipts being shared. Anyone paying more than the £1 Bob Murray sold it to Drumaville for really needs their head examining. I pay for my tickets. I'm not saying there aren't a load of free tickets slung about, but 'refuse to pay' ? Complete bullshit Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seymour Posted June 10, 2017 Share Posted June 10, 2017 They were hemorrhaging money at a ridiculous rate when they were on the gravy train of the richest league on the planet and Short has had to bail them out with over £100m of his own money just to keep them going. The have a stadium which is now 20 years old and was built very cheaply (£15m iirc) and is now needing quite a bit of money spent on it and a playing squad worth very little, but costing them a fortune in salaries. To compound that, they have a supporter base that refuses to pay for tickets and as a result they generally make a loss on home cup fixtures as very few people turn up to these games as they have to charge a nominal amount for entry due to the receipts being shared. Anyone paying more than the £1 Bob Murray sold it to Drumaville for really needs their head examining. I pay for my tickets. I'm not saying there aren't a load of free tickets slung about, but 'refuse to pay' ? Complete bullshit Short knows that without the ridiclous amount of free tickets you would be an even bigger laughing stock than you are now You obviously do have a large section of your fanbase refusing to pay for tickets or you wouldnt have to give so many away Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmojorisin75 Posted June 10, 2017 Share Posted June 10, 2017 They were hemorrhaging money at a ridiculous rate when they were on the gravy train of the richest league on the planet and Short has had to bail them out with over £100m of his own money just to keep them going. The have a stadium which is now 20 years old and was built very cheaply (£15m iirc) and is now needing quite a bit of money spent on it and a playing squad worth very little, but costing them a fortune in salaries. To compound that, they have a supporter base that refuses to pay for tickets and as a result they generally make a loss on home cup fixtures as very few people turn up to these games as they have to charge a nominal amount for entry due to the receipts being shared. Anyone paying more than the £1 Bob Murray sold it to Drumaville for really needs their head examining. I pay for my tickets. I'm not saying there aren't a load of free tickets slung about, but 'refuse to pay' ? Complete bullshit i noticed that as well, was shite Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wallsendmag Posted June 10, 2017 Share Posted June 10, 2017 They were hemorrhaging money at a ridiculous rate when they were on the gravy train of the richest league on the planet and Short has had to bail them out with over £100m of his own money just to keep them going. The have a stadium which is now 20 years old and was built very cheaply (£15m iirc) and is now needing quite a bit of money spent on it and a playing squad worth very little, but costing them a fortune in salaries. To compound that, they have a supporter base that refuses to pay for tickets and as a result they generally make a loss on home cup fixtures as very few people turn up to these games as they have to charge a nominal amount for entry due to the receipts being shared. Anyone paying more than the £1 Bob Murray sold it to Drumaville for really needs their head examining. I pay for my tickets. I'm not saying there aren't a load of free tickets slung about, but 'refuse to pay' ? Complete bullshit Your average ticket price last season was £12 according to club accounts. To put that into perspective Gateshead of the Conference charge £15 a ticket. You are either giving away 1000s upon 1000s of tickets every week or are charging fans less than what fans of non league teams pay. It's one or the other. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seymour Posted June 10, 2017 Share Posted June 10, 2017 They were hemorrhaging money at a ridiculous rate when they were on the gravy train of the richest league on the planet and Short has had to bail them out with over £100m of his own money just to keep them going. The have a stadium which is now 20 years old and was built very cheaply (£15m iirc) and is now needing quite a bit of money spent on it and a playing squad worth very little, but costing them a fortune in salaries. To compound that, they have a supporter base that refuses to pay for tickets and as a result they generally make a loss on home cup fixtures as very few people turn up to these games as they have to charge a nominal amount for entry due to the receipts being shared. Anyone paying more than the £1 Bob Murray sold it to Drumaville for really needs their head examining. I pay for my tickets. I'm not saying there aren't a load of free tickets slung about, but 'refuse to pay' ? Complete bullshit Your average ticket price last season was £12 according to club accounts. To put that into perspective Gateshead of the Conference charge £15 a ticket. You are either giving away 1000s upon 1000s of tickets every week or are charging fans less than what fans of non league teams pay. It's one or the other. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Open_C Posted June 10, 2017 Share Posted June 10, 2017 I work with a few Sunlun fans and none of them find it difficult to get free tickets, like. I have seen dozens of them passed around this past season. Never found out where they were coming from but they said on the ticket face that they were free. I would guess, from the people that brought them in to give away, that most of them came from the charity sector which is laudable but not a long-term business model, obviously Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmojorisin75 Posted June 10, 2017 Share Posted June 10, 2017 'refuse to pay' surely the main issue with that post, hithere even said there's loads of free tickets around Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Open_C Posted June 10, 2017 Share Posted June 10, 2017 'refuse to pay' surely the main issue with that post, hithere even said there's loads of free tickets around Aye, fair enough That said, two or three of the blokes I'm talking about only go when they go for free, so there maybe is something to it. I've never been offered a free ticket to SJP, only ones that other people had paid for but couldn't get to. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Figures 1-0 Football Posted June 10, 2017 Share Posted June 10, 2017 'refuse to pay' surely the main issue with that post, hithere even said there's loads of free tickets around If thousands of them know they dont need to buy a ticket because they'll get a free one, surely they are refusing to buy one/pay for it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmojorisin75 Posted June 10, 2017 Share Posted June 10, 2017 the club have obviously fucked up with the free ticket thing, seem to recall they started it for kids and such but they've let it snowball to keep up the pretence that they're a well supported club Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stifler Posted June 10, 2017 Share Posted June 10, 2017 Aye. Don't think they 'refuse to pay' is right to say. There maybe some fans who are resistant to paying when they know they can get free ones. There is though still plenty of fans who out there pay for their tickets. One of my uni mates has a season ticket for them and the friends of his who are Sunderland fans all have a season ticket which they pay for despite them being able to get free tickets elsewhere. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scoot Posted June 10, 2017 Share Posted June 10, 2017 They were hemorrhaging money at a ridiculous rate when they were on the gravy train of the richest league on the planet and Short has had to bail them out with over £100m of his own money just to keep them going. The have a stadium which is now 20 years old and was built very cheaply (£15m iirc) and is now needing quite a bit of money spent on it and a playing squad worth very little, but costing them a fortune in salaries. To compound that, they have a supporter base that refuses to pay for tickets and as a result they generally make a loss on home cup fixtures as very few people turn up to these games as they have to charge a nominal amount for entry due to the receipts being shared. Anyone paying more than the £1 Bob Murray sold it to Drumaville for really needs their head examining. I pay for my tickets. I'm not saying there aren't a load of free tickets slung about, but 'refuse to pay' ? Complete bullshit There's a massive section of your fanbase refuse to pay for tickets, hence the £12 average ticket price (wasn't that what it worked out at when they released their latest financial accounts?) and one of the lowest annual gate revenues in the Premiership. Whether you personally pay for your ticket or not has nothing to do with it. Thousands of your fans get in for fuck all and even those lot decided against it from Christmas onwards. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
shintonsghost Posted June 10, 2017 Share Posted June 10, 2017 still nee manager Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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