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Not wanting to protest or fight for their club and instead abandoning it and letting it die because "its what the mags do" shows their inferiority complex so much, man. :lol: Hilarious.

 

Regarding the question regarding a whip round, wouldn't give the cunts a penny. Rather focus on our own club and our own problems than them pedo loving wankers.

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I'm glad there's a fair few now realising that their core support is 20k. Without free Premiership tickets the true level of support has been found and this is why they are in such a mess.

 

The reason they are in a mess is because of Ellis Short,

 

Ellis Short is writing out cheques on a monthly basis to keep them afloat. They were in a mess before he bought them. Niall Quinn and his consortium had already started running them.into the ground trying to keep them in the Premier League, and before him Bob Murray ended up selling them for a quid just to get rid of them as he couldn't afford to cover the losses they make.

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Here's a question, and it's one I fear may become reality in the next few years given the sheer size of their debts - if Sunderland AFC were to find themselves in a position where they were reliant on a Hartlepool-style whip round to continue as a going concern, would you put a couple of quid in the bucket?

 

As deranged and bitter as a lot of their fans are, North East football is in enough of a state as it is without one of the two bigger clubs going to the wall.

 

Nope. It would potentially help non-league football in the area if some the remaining 15k or so matchgoers dispersed amongst Shields, Gateshead, Spennymoor etc.

 

If the Mackems go down and Spennymoor go up there will only be 1 division separating the 2 teams

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I think that people should give money if that's what's needed for them to survive. 

 

If their club disappeared, you know that their 'supporters' would macktrack and rewrite history to the point where they were the oldest and most loyal of Newcastle fans. 

 

Wouldn't want any of them within pissing distance of our club and would pay if it meant they kept their child molesting supporters in their little shithole of a town .

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I'm glad there's a fair few now realising that their core support is 20k. Without free Premiership tickets the true level of support has been found and this is why they are in such a mess.

 

The reason they are in a mess is because of Ellis Short,

 

Their net transfer spending over the past 10 years has been in the top 20 clubs in the world. Short has supported them, it's not entirely his fault that the spending he's allowed has been wasted.

 

Ultimately their issue is they're trying to be something that they are not. In reality they are a mediocre club in a shithole city. In attempting to appear to be something they are not, at the insistence of their support, they've had to pay over the odds to attract players who don't really want to be there. That has led to a collective malaise in the squad.

 

It's not Short's fault that they have a city and club up the road that is fundamentally superior in every respect and a support that cannot accept that fact.

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I'm glad there's a fair few now realising that their core support is 20k. Without free Premiership tickets the true level of support has been found and this is why they are in such a mess.

 

The reason they are in a mess is because of Ellis Short,

 

Their net transfer spending over the past 10 years has been in the top 20 clubs in the world. Short has supported them, it's not entirely his fault that the spending he's allowed has been wasted.

 

Ultimately their issue is they're trying to be something that they are not. In reality they are a mediocre club in a shithole city. In attempting to appear to be something they are not, at the insistence of their support, they've had to pay over the odds to attract players who don't really want to be there. That has led to a collective malaise in the squad.

 

It's not Short's fault that they have a city and club up the road that is fundamentally superior in every respect and a support that cannot accept that fact.

Is it not the management staff at various levels that Short has brought in, in many ways as bad as Ashley, thats lead to their positioin ?
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Just clicked on the Harry Kane thread was expecting to see everyone say how much better he is than Shearer blah blah blah but couldn't get past the opening post.

 

 

The phrase flash in the pan was made for this lad, utter s****
- 04.09.2016  ;D
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Had a laugh at this one.  Who do you reckon is to blame for their current plight? 

 

Moyes for taking them down? No.

 

Allardyce for leaving them? No.

 

Short for his poor decisions? No.

 

MLFs for demanding the head of every manager after a few months? No.

 

Jack Rodwell? No.

 

Jimmy Hill?  No.

 

The Magedia?  No.

 

Steve Brewce for spending a fortune on a load of s***? No.

 

MLFs for watching the game in the pub instead of getting behind Quinn’s ambitions for the club? No.

 

It’s erm...  The top 6 that are to blame apparently!  :lol:

 

https://www.readytogo.net/smb/threads/cancel-your-sky-subscriptions.1416986/

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Their financial decision is not just bad, it really is seriously grave.

While I do feel sorry for the awful situation they have put their genuine decent fans in, thinking about the hypothetical "would you donate" question ?

Let's see.

Would I donate to a football club who have spent way above their means for over a decade in the world's richest league; pay people like Rodwell and Cattermole more in a week than many hard working people earn in a year; knowingly played a paedophile in a desperate attempt to keep their snout in the money trough and then paid a fortune to their CEO to go quietly ?

Can I think about it for a while ?

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How many times have these been on TV? Seems like they’ve barely been on in comparison to us last season.

 

I know Sky want to feature the promotion battle, but even their games against Wolves, Fulham, Bristol City etc. haven’t been televised.

 

Also would have thought their plight would have been aired a lot more.

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Not sure about their away games, but for their home games, I can't imagine that Sky want to show matches that depressing and with no one in the stadium.

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Would it be financially in their best interests to drop again or are they better hanging on by the fingernails to Champo (AKA Pub League :)) status ? It's not like the drop from PL to champo, they won't suddenly miss out on 100 Million. They still receive their parachute payment for next season regardless of the division they play in, I don't believe the amount they get will change. From a positive perspective (for them) they surely get rid of the bulk of their big earners, Kone, Khazri, Borini and a like will think they are far too good for L1, like they do for the champo, and the club will take literally anything to get them off the books. They will probably just be left with Cattermole and Rodwell plus the ex Manure and Everton has beens on big wages. That's got to help them rebuild, and looking at the L1 table that division is obviously truly awful, if Wigan can be coasting it and Rotherham who were worse last year than the Mackems have been this year are a playoff team. So they should spring back up the following year.

 

Having said that, going down puts them another year at least away from a PL return. Their big external loan is due for repayment in 2019 apparently, with no real source of income to pay it off. Administration is a real possibility, it may actually be preferable, assuming like most clubs they come back to life.

 

Even if they survive this year, there is little hope for a promotion push the following year unless, they uncover two or three gems. They have a lot of loanees and a lot of players out of contract in the summer, huge rebuild job on for whichever division they are playing in.

 

Oh well, 6 in a row, FTM 9-1 and all that :)

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Their external loan is financed against their parachute payment, which basically means next years money is gone with more owed, getting put into receivership is not an option because their main creditor is owed so much and it would be counter productive for them to do that, selling the ground and training facilities is their next option which would hopefully get rid of their debt, unfortunately the wage bill is 89% of turnover and wont decrease next season no matter what happens.

 

They are a zombie club and will continue to be so until a new investor is found and that is a long way off.

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Their external loan is financed against their parachute payment, which basically means next years money is gone with more owed, getting put into receivership is not an option because their main creditor is owed so much and it would be counter productive for them to do that, selling the ground and training facilities is their next option which would hopefully get rid of their debt, unfortunately the wage bill is 89% of turnover and wont decrease next season no matter what happens.

 

They are a zombie club and will continue to be so until a new investor is found and that is a long way off.

 

Unless I'm mistaken that was PL, wasn't it? Even with the relegation drops, it could be even higher now, such is the drop in income.

 

Add that to other costs, and just why would anyone buy them?

 

Once you've paid off Short and the other loan, the club will still haemorrhage money and is in no place to go up to the PL.

 

Anyone would have to be mad to buy them, you'd be better off starting a new club.

 

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Their external loan is financed against their parachute payment, which basically means next years money is gone with more owed, getting put into receivership is not an option because their main creditor is owed so much and it would be counter productive for them to do that, selling the ground and training facilities is their next option which would hopefully get rid of their debt, unfortunately the wage bill is 89% of turnover and wont decrease next season no matter what happens.

 

They are a zombie club and will continue to be so until a new investor is found and that is a long way off.

 

Unless I'm mistaken that was PL, wasn't it? Even with the relegation drops, it could be even higher now, such is the drop in income.

 

Add that to other costs, and just why would anyone buy them?

 

Once you've paid off Short and the other loan, the club will still haemorrhage money and is in no place to go up to the PL.

 

Anyone would have to be mad to buy them, you'd be better off starting a new club.

 

 

By the time you buy the club and clear the debt and invest a little bit in the squad its a 250-300m cost no one is paying that

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They were losing huge amounts of money when the income was massive in the PL, fuck knows what the damage is now. They’ve only really shifted Pickford for reasonably big money, gates are massively down, I’d wager sponsorship is down too whilst the wage bill has clearly been cut they’ll still not come close to breaking even for the next years.

 

Survival or not, these horrible cunts are staring squarely into the abyss and it’s going to get even worse in the short term.

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They will probably just be left with Cattermole and Rodwell plus the ex Manure and Everton has beens on big wages.

 

contracted until 2021  :lol: :lol: :lol:

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