Papavasiliou Posted November 14, 2018 Share Posted November 14, 2018 https://www.chroniclelive.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/isaac-hayden-newcastle-rafa-benitez-15411876 Interesting to see he's been given a bit of flexability due to his family and stuff. Agree with Benitez that the Cardiff game was just a product of the sittuation at the time and him being a bit eager. I still think there's a tidy player in there somewhere. Never going to tear up trees but if he can just do that Diame job of being the destroyer a bit better and without picking up daft cards he'll be a decent squad player to keep around. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted November 14, 2018 Share Posted November 14, 2018 He's probably better that Diame, or at least has the potential to be. Definitely much better on the ball. Going to be difficult to get a chance to show it though, because of how much we need wins, his personal situation and all that jazz. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dokko Posted November 14, 2018 Share Posted November 14, 2018 I like the lad. Hopefully his off field issues are starting tog et sorted and he can get back in contention. We all have our moments. I was fizzing with him at Cardiff knowing he wanted to leave as well, but now with clarity I'd rather him stay and fight for his place. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Espio Posted November 14, 2018 Share Posted November 14, 2018 Edit: Whoops Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
healthyaddiction Posted November 14, 2018 Share Posted November 14, 2018 Is Hayden the secret buyer? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AsprillasShinPad Posted November 14, 2018 Share Posted November 14, 2018 Seems like a decent bloke, but has zero talent. Total waste of money, and if we can get a fee for him in Jan we should snap the buyers hand off. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
St1pe Posted November 14, 2018 Share Posted November 14, 2018 Seems like a decent bloke, but has zero talent. Total waste of money, and if we can get a fee for him in Jan we should snap the buyers hand off. Massively harsh! We only bought him for about £2m I seem to recall and he's more than paid that back for his performances in the Championship. He had some good games last year but clearly the off the field problems have effected him. I still think given his age, and if he can get sorted he's a useful squad player to have. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest neesy111 Posted November 14, 2018 Share Posted November 14, 2018 Seems like a decent bloke, but has zero talent. Total waste of money, and if we can get a fee for him in Jan we should snap the buyers hand off. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wallsendmag Posted November 14, 2018 Share Posted November 14, 2018 Nowhere near good enough for the Premier League. Was decentish in the Championship but PL is far too good for a player of his standard. Just get what we can for him and move him out. The person who said he's better than Diame must be on drugs. Diame is average but he's proven he can do at at this level when he applies himself, something Hayden hasn't. He'll be a decent signing for a middle/upper Championship club which is where he'll end up. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
samptime29 Posted November 14, 2018 Share Posted November 14, 2018 Would be a perfect signing for Reading. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AsprillasShinPad Posted November 14, 2018 Share Posted November 14, 2018 Seems like a decent bloke, but has zero talent. Total waste of money, and if we can get a fee for him in Jan we should snap the buyers hand off. Massively harsh! We only bought him for about £2m I seem to recall and he's more than paid that back for his performances in the Championship. He had some good games last year but clearly the off the field problems have effected him. I still think given his age, and if he can get sorted he's a useful squad player to have. He may have done a job in the Championship, but we're a PL club now. He's nowhere near good enough for the PL and never will be. Thanks for the service, but it's time to go. If players like Isaac Hayden are getting games for us, we deserve to go down. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Howaythetoon Posted November 14, 2018 Share Posted November 14, 2018 Hayden is a nothing player really with no discernible talent or ability when on the ball that you can look at and think, well at least he has this or that or can do this or that. He’s basically just another Colback type player, with perhaps more of an engine and a bit more mobility. He’s a likeable player though and given what he cost us, whenever he has played, especially in the Championship, he’s never really let himself down. As far as quality goes though, he has none and the fact he still gets game time sums up just what a poor squad we have and the chronic lack of investment in it and also the shoddy state our academy is in. I’ve not seen enough of Longstaff to be able to make a judgement as to whether he has some talent or not, but I’d rather not see him or others like him have a route into the first team reckoning blocked by someone we know isn’t and never will be good enough. Ki is bang average just to use an example of a player we are almost forced to sign and use due to the lack of investment, but he’s streets ahead of Hayden. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest firetotheworks Posted November 14, 2018 Share Posted November 14, 2018 He's 23, when will any of you learn? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Howaythetoon Posted November 14, 2018 Share Posted November 14, 2018 He's probably better that Diame, or at least has the potential to be. Definitely much better on the ball. I’m a fan of Diame if only because of how critical he has become to the cause and the kind of job he does which he does very well, otherwise he’s one of so many who are bang average overall and simply not good enough outside of the role he occupies. He’s streets ahead of Hayden though and in every department. On the ball, tactically, passing, tackling, awareness and linking up with others, be it the defence or fellow midfielders. All Hayden has in his locker is a decent engine and mobility and that will never be enough. He played reasonably well in the Championship for us, but if he had anything about him he would have stood out like a sore thumb at that level and I never got that from him when he played. I looked at players like Cairney or Will Hughes for example down there and on the ball and in terms of ability and talent they were way ahead of Hayden. Different players of course, but given his schooling at Arsenal and engine and mobility you’d expect if he was any good to dominate and run things from midfield with more purpose and impact. Diame does that and Shelvey and Ki can also have that kind of influence and impact and I’d happily see them replaced at the drop of a hat and who will need replaced if we have any designs on improving as a team going forward. I see no point in Hayden other than he’s an extra body to bring on and again, I’d rather see someone like Longstaff near the bench and first-team ahead of him to see if they have something about them, they will never prove otherwise if they don’t get an opportunity. Hayden has had his chance and has proved, in my eyes anyway, he’s a Championship player at best. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted November 14, 2018 Share Posted November 14, 2018 Yeah, he’s not shown himself to be brilliant but neither has anyone else in our squad. I don’t think he’s amazing or anything but I think he’s got the ability to be a decent player. Whether that’s at lower PL or upper Championship I suppose is hard to judge. His style is never going to be one where he really stands out. The only reason it matters I guess is because Diame is the only holding midfielder on our books. Maybe we can play with Shelvey and Ki, but if not then Hayden might end up getting some minutes. Obviously best case scenario is Mo continues to play well for the whole season. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elliottman Posted November 14, 2018 Share Posted November 14, 2018 Zero talent ffs. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
xLiaaamx Posted November 14, 2018 Share Posted November 14, 2018 I've been one of his biggest critics this year, but I actually though he made a good difference at the weekend. Long time since he actually looked like he had energy. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sbnufc Posted December 29, 2018 Share Posted December 29, 2018 High energy and fantastic work rate. People can't beat him with the "but he doesn't want to be here" stick after performances like that Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted December 29, 2018 Share Posted December 29, 2018 I've been one of his biggest critics this year, but I actually though he made a good difference at the weekend. Long time since he actually looked like he had energy. Really? I always thought he had plenty of energy, if he had a fault it's he can be a bit clumsy sometimes. On form he gives us some real legs in the midfield if only because he's an athlete. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
xLiaaamx Posted December 29, 2018 Share Posted December 29, 2018 He never seems to back himself once he's got the other side of their midfield. That last corner he got was with the meekest swing of the leg I've seen in a while. If he just believed, or even just stopped worrying about the consequences he could actually get some goals. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kanj Posted December 29, 2018 Share Posted December 29, 2018 Aye, thought he played well today. Doubt he would have let Doucoure just run off him. Agree 100% Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Away Day Gadgie Posted December 29, 2018 Share Posted December 29, 2018 2nd half of the promotion season i thought he improved loads and was one of the few players we had who could step up and become a solid Premier League player. He’s got some really useful attributes (mainly linked with athleticism) but at the moment lacks the touch and sharpness to keep the ball consitantly in a PL midfield. That can only improve by having a good attitude and actually playing games. I didn’t see the game today but i’m happy to hear he had a decent game. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kanj Posted December 29, 2018 Share Posted December 29, 2018 I was convinced he could create a good partnership with Merino. I’m certain I posted as such. He was really starting to play the ball around well, tackle and get involved in attack. Then he just fell off the map - remember that ass counter attack last season where he likely should have scored and just fucked it up. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest covmag Posted December 30, 2018 Share Posted December 30, 2018 Struggling to understand what type of player he wants to be Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted December 30, 2018 Share Posted December 30, 2018 Struggling to understand what type of player he wants to be One living in London seems to be his priority. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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