Other clubs' transfers

[Dr.Spaceman]

10 hours ago, janpawel said:

Jealous of Man U if they get Delap and Cunha in

 

Would be unreal to have 2 signings wrapped up at the start of the transfer window 

 

[gbandit]

28 minutes ago, The College Dropout said:

Wages are crazy but Casemiro is a positive influence. 

At least he cares, that’s huge for Man U really

[Froggy]

24 minutes ago, KingArthur said:

You have to take into account the level. He is a "serial winner" and 300k a week player, who seems to be doing fine/great/ok in a second tier European competition. Good for you! He has been run around in the EPL again this season.

Problem is Mainoo has to be replaced and he hasn't had a strong season. Garnacho has to be replaced, and he hasn't had a strong season. Selling them now would be idiotic. No one takes Rashford with his wages, maybe on loan. Anthony you probably cannot sell for PSR profit.

For you succeed next season, Amorim has to be able to get more out of players like Mount, Garnacho, Onana,  De Ligt etc. These are expensive players that you cannot really sell.
Like I said, top6 next season is not realistic. Top 10 is realistic. I am willing to take a bet on this.

 

Casemiro was overweight at the start of the year and given the run around under Ten Hag. That hasn't been the case under Amorim, in Europe or in the league. He's lost weight and been much, much better. You also like making a point of it being a second tier European competition but the truth is you'd give your left nut to win it, and the winners list of that trophy is littered with huge clubs.

 

Mainoo has been injured for large parts of this season, so a bit harsh to criticise him when he's not had a good run in the team. Garnacho also has 11 goals and 10 assists this season as a 20 year old. Mental that opposition fans are happy to criticise that and say it's not good enough. I daresay that's one of the best returns from an under 21 player in world football? It's more than what Gordon has managed this season and your fans were suggesting he's an £80m player when Liverpool were interested? Be consistent. 

 

This is surface level knowledge of our club, and well off the mark. You've went after all the wrong players. Had you criticised Hojlund or Dalot you might have been on to something. You're right about Onana at least, and no amount of coaching is going to save him. He is stone fucking useless and has singlehandedly cost us dozens of points in the league and in Europe over the last two seasons.

[The College Dropout]

I've always liked Garnacho but don't know how he becomes a top player. Doesn't look to have the physical or technical attributes yet - I did think he had a killers mentality or potential to get one.

[SiLvOR]

1 hour ago, Froggy said:

The extra protection offered to the midfield by Ugarte has allowed him to focus on what he's good at

You're talking like your midfield doesn't get absolutely run over every single game

[Froggy]

8 minutes ago, SiLvOR said:

You're talking like your midfield doesn't get absolutely run over every single game

 

It doesn't. It's a lazy comparison to the side under Ten Hag when the midfield was hopelessly exposed and Casemiro was being asked to sprint up and down the pitch as a lone DM. That just isn't the case under Amorim. The midfield is much more compact.

 

The exposure in this system is coming from the wings, not central midfield. Dalot isn't a good enough wing back and Dorgu is extremely raw. That combined with a striker who doesn't score = a lot of defeats. 

[The College Dropout]

Just now, Froggy said:

 

It doesn't. It's a lazy comparison to the side under Ten Hag when the midfield was hopelessly exposed and Casemiro was being asked to sprint up and down the pitch as a lone DM. That just isn't the case under Amorim. The midfield is much more compact.

 

The exposure in this system is coming from the wings, not central midfield. Dalot isn't a good enough wing back and Dorgu is extremely raw. That combined with a striker who doesn't score = a lot of defeats. 

We have ran you over in midfield tice this season but we've ran over better midfield's than yours tbf

[southernmag]

Semi unrelated but my wife heard Milenkovic being discussed on MNF and exclaimed, "my lengthy itch?"

[KingArthur]

30 minutes ago, Froggy said:

 

Casemiro was overweight at the start of the year and given the run around under Ten Hag. That hasn't been the case under Amorim, in Europe or in the league. He's lost weight and been much, much better. You also like making a point of it being a second tier European competition but the truth is you'd give your left nut to win it, and the winners list of that trophy is littered with huge clubs.

 

Mainoo has been injured for large parts of this season, so a bit harsh to criticise him when he's not had a good run in the team. Garnacho also has 11 goals and 10 assists this season as a 20 year old. Mental that opposition fans are happy to criticise that and say it's not good enough. I daresay that's one of the best returns from an under 21 player in world football? It's more than what Gordon has managed this season and your fans were suggesting he's an £80m player when Liverpool were interested? Be consistent. 

 

This is surface level knowledge of our club, and well off the mark. You've went after all the wrong players. Had you criticised Hojlund or Dalot you might have been on to something. You're right about Onana at least, and no amount of coaching is going to save him. He is stone fucking useless and has singlehandedly cost us dozens of points in the league and in Europe over the last two seasons.

Yes, it would be great for Newcastle to win UEL, but not for Manchester United. Do you think with that expenditure and with those expectations winning Europa League gets you far? As far as I remember, you won it a while back and it didn't get Jose far... You seem to think like mediocrity would be enough, and maybe winning UEL or Carabao once in a while. You are one of the richest clubs in the world, winning (or even being in) UEL is a shame. It should be participated by clubs like Newcastle, Tottenham and Villa. 

And being "mental" about criticizing Garnacho: he has 6 goals this season in EPL. Of those 11g 10 a, 3g 3a in League cup against Barnsley and Leicester.
6 EPL goals puts you level with players like Rashford, Marmoush (half a season, Smith Rowe, Enzo (defensive midfielder) and Kovacic (DM). Hardly a great stat for someone with 36 appereances for ManU.
He is winger whose only way to go past player is to run faster.

I don't criticise Mainoo's performances, but the truth is he hasn't had a great season, and selling him now is not wise. Garnacho either won't be sold for 50-60 million like he was rumoured last year. They both, and your club, has had a bad season. That affects the price they move for.

I don't want to start with Höjlund, because he is a championship level player at the moment. Dalot at least seems to try, but he is not a wing back. 

For the bold part: There is that one guy in Barcelona I hear who is pretty good. Even in the league Minteh who probably didn't know English before the season is doing better.
Gordon is not an 80 million player, but he has had a bad season and has scored as many as Garnacho, while playing less.  I am not responsible for what fans think, they always overvalue their own players. 

[Froggy]

11 minutes ago, The College Dropout said:

We have ran you over in midfield tice this season but we've ran over better midfield's than yours tbf

 

I'm not saying we're immune to being beaten in midfield.  

 

You absolutely didn't run over us in midfield at Old Trafford though, outside of the first 20 minutes. As soon as Mainoo came on for Zirkzee it was a different game. Also if I remember correctly both goals came down our right, from two crosses into the box. 

 

The 4-1 game, where we rested half the side because it was sandwiched between the two Lyon games, aye you absolutely did run over us in midfield that day.

[The College Dropout]

6 minutes ago, Froggy said:

 

I'm not saying we're immune to being beaten in midfield.  

 

You absolutely didn't run over us in midfield at Old Trafford though, outside of the first 20 minutes. As soon as Mainoo came on for Zirkzee it was a different game. Also if I remember correctly both goals came down our right, from two crosses into the box. 

 

The 4-1 game, where we rested half the side because it was sandwiched between the two Lyon games, aye you absolutely did run over us in midfield that day.

We overran you in midfield and won the game in 20 minutes at Old Trafford. We forced you into an early sub because we were destroying you no?

[Froggy]

3 minutes ago, KingArthur said:

Yes, it would be great for Newcastle to win UEL, but not for Manchester United. Do you think with that expenditure and with those expectations winning Europa League gets you far? As far as I remember, you won it a while back and it didn't get Jose far... You seem to think like mediocrity would be enough, and maybe winning UEL or Carabao once in a while. You are one of the richest clubs in the world, winning (or even being in) UEL is a shame. It should be participated by clubs like Newcastle, Tottenham and Villa. 

And being "mental" about criticizing Garnacho: he has 6 goals this season in EPL. Of those 11g 10 a, 3g 3a in League cup against Barnsley and Leicester.
6 EPL goals puts you level with players like Rashford, Marmoush (half a season, Smith Rowe, Enzo (defensive midfielder) and Kovacic (DM). Hardly a great stat for someone with 36 appereances for ManU.
He is winger whose only way to go past player is to run faster.

I don't criticise Mainoo's performances, but the truth is he hasn't had a great season, and selling him now is not wise. Garnacho either won't be sold for 50-60 million like he was rumoured last year. They both, and your club, has had a bad season. That affects the price they move for.

I don't want to start with Höjlund, because he is a championship level player at the moment. Dalot at least seems to try, but he is not a wing back. 

For the bold part: There is that one guy in Barcelona I hear who is pretty good. Even in the league Minteh who probably didn't know English before the season is doing better.
Gordon is not an 80 million player, but he has had a bad season and has scored as many as Garnacho, while playing less.  I am not responsible for what fans think, they always overvalue their own players. 

 

A lot of very selective views here.

 

So in a discussion about Garnacho's value, we're just going to ignore everything he's done outside the Premier League? And do goals against teams like Leicester not matter then? 50% of Isak's goal contributions have come against the bottom 6 sides in the league. Guess he's overvalued as well?

 

A players season isn't defined by the league, so not sure why you're focusing on that. If that's the case, maybe we can just scrub the League Cup this season when talking about Newcastle? 

 

A 20 year old having 21 goal contributions is good no matter what way you try and look at it. No need to bring Yamal into this either, you're probably talking about the best player in the world there. 

[AyeDubbleYoo]

Man U have plenty of good players like, and/or ones that can do well in the right environment. I think next season will be very interesting with them. 

[r0cafella]

6 minutes ago, Froggy said:

 

A lot of very selective views here.

 

So in a discussion about Garnacho's value, we're just going to ignore everything he's done outside the Premier League? And do goals against teams like Leicester not matter then? 50% of Isak's goal contributions have come against the bottom 6 sides in the league. Guess he's overvalued as well?

 

A players season isn't defined by the league, so not sure why you're focusing on that. If that's the case, maybe we can just scrub the League Cup this season when talking about Newcastle? 

 

A 20 year old having 21 goal contributions is good no matter what way you try and look at it. No need to bring Yamal into this either, you're probably talking about the best player in the world there. 

20 goal contribution in the league if yes that's obviously good. If it's all comps then it's ok. 

[KingArthur]

1 minute ago, Froggy said:

 

A lot of very selective views here.

 

So in a discussion about Garnacho's value, we're just going to ignore everything he's done outside the Premier League? And do goals against teams like Leicester not matter then? 50% of Isak's goal contributions have come against the bottom 6 sides in the league. Guess he's overvalued as well?

 

A players season isn't defined by the league, so not sure why you're focusing on that. If that's the case, maybe we can just scrub the League Cup this season when talking about Newcastle? 

 

A 20 year old having 21 goal contributions is good no matter what way you try and look at it. No need to bring Yamal into this either, you're probably talking about the best player in the world there. 

Well, if you just select the numbers you wish, of course you have to look what the numbers tell you. This is like argueing with my 4 year old. If Sancho had scored 25 goals this season and 22 of them came in UECL against teams like Djurgården, would you say that "yea but he scored a lot, why do you ignore those goals outside EPL?" No, you would say he scored agaist minnows. 

Marc Guiu has 6 goals in European 6 appereances for Chelsea. What a season! Goal a game!
Dewsbury-Hall has 4g in 12 games. Great stuff for a midfielder!

 

Garnacho has not had a good season. You can of course twist this as you like. He has played most games from your front 3, and has 6 EPL goals. 

He has scored less EPL goals than Amad, who was injured for a long while. So by this logic Diallo has had a great season? Player's season certainly is defined (a bit) by how his team is doing in the league. 

Point is: Garnacho's value has certainly not gone up, he has not developed and if it doesn't kick on next season, he is going to be sold to team like Leeds for 20 million.
 

[Froggy]

3 minutes ago, The College Dropout said:

We overran you in midfield and won the game in 20 minutes at Old Trafford. We forced you into an early sub because we were destroying you no?

 

Yeah in the first 20 minutes, as I said. If you think the game was won at 2-0 then fair play to you. You rode your luck massively after that sub, with huge missed chances from Casemiro, Hojlund and then Maguire hitting the post.

 

Not even sure you even had a shot after that sub. 

 

16 minutes ago, KingArthur said:

He has scored less EPL goals than Amad, who was injured for a long while. So by this logic Diallo has had a great season? Player's season certainly is defined (a bit) by how his team is doing in the league. 

 

Amad is class aye.

[Froggy]

37 minutes ago, r0cafella said:

20 goal contribution in the league if yes that's obviously good. If it's all comps then it's ok. 

 

21 goal contributions for a 19/20 year old in all competitions is not "ok."  

 

We have unrealistic expectations on teenagers now if that's considered OK.

[r0cafella]

21 minutes ago, Froggy said:

 

21 goal contributions for a 19/20 year old in all competitions is not "ok."  

 

We have unrealistic expectations on teenagers now if that's considered OK.

No, we just recognise the Europa league is both bloated and not particularly good given two teams who have stunk out the league have made the finals. 

[Froggy]

7 minutes ago, r0cafella said:

No, we just recognise the Europa league is both bloated and not particularly good given two teams who have stunk out the league have made the finals. 

 

But they told me Bilbao were good? 

[alexf]

2 hours ago, Froggy said:

 

You also like making a point of it being a second tier European competition but the truth is you'd give your left nut to win it, and the winners list of that trophy is littered with huge clubs.

 

Isn't this year the first time in a long time that champions league teams haven't dropped into it? So you can't compare winning it now being of equal achievement as previous years. 

 

Anyways, you still need to beat spurs first. (You will )

[nufc123]

13 hours ago, tarie4 said:

Stats, assists, forward passes, chances created—the works!

 

Think he'll give Liverpool more? That's your opinion, time will tell.

Crushes most wingers on assists??

 

Hes terrible in defence, but he offers a lot going forward.

[ianbeany]

Garnacho - one of the best returns from an under 21 player in world football
Casemiro - has been brilliant
Ugarte - has offered the protection to Casemiro that's allowed him to be so brilliant
Diallo - class
Fake Bruno - best midfielder in the league

 

 

I've not looked at the table in ages but assume ManU are doing really well.  Hopefully we aren't too far behind them

[Froggy]

3 minutes ago, ianbeany said:

Garnacho - one of the best returns from an under 21 player in world football
Casemiro - has been brilliant
Ugarte - has offered the protection to Casemiro that's allowed him to be so brilliant
Diallo - class
Fake Bruno - best midfielder in the league

 

 

I've not looked at the table in ages but assume ManU are doing really well.  Hopefully we aren't too far behind them

 

Garnacho - that's just a fact? How many players under 21 have more than 21 goal involvements this season? 

Casemiro - has been brilliant in Europe. I said he's been much, much better in the league since Amorim brought him properly into the team, which wasn't until the start of the year

Ugarte - aye that's true. He's defensive player and he does the dog work that Casemiro isn't capable of anymore.

Amad - anyone who doesn't think he's quality is an idiot, and he's been injured for a large part of the season

The only Bruno - I don't need to talk about him. He's spent half the season playing as a deep midfielder and has more goal contributions than your crown jewel striker

 

Also mate don't be silly, we're not doing well in the league. We have a keeper who throws goals in, we have a CB collection that can't stay fit, we have wing backs who are shit and a striker who doesn't score goals. Two managers, two new systems, European football to deal with etc. etc.

 

We'll see you next season son. The ghost of Fergie will spur us on.

[The College Dropout]

23 minutes ago, Froggy said:

 

Yeah in the first 20 minutes, as I said. If you think the game was won at 2-0 then fair play to you. You rode your luck massively after that sub, with huge missed chances from Casemiro, Hojlund and then Maguire hitting the post.

 

Not even sure you even had a shot after that sub. 

 

 

Amad is class aye.

We literally won the game in the first 20 minutes. You improved and where unable to amount any type of comeback.

[Choppy Chop Chop]

YAWN another glory hunters debate