Guest Howaythetoon Posted September 18, 2018 Share Posted September 18, 2018 This thread is going to be like a loved one has died come the end of the season when he walks away I think he will stay... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
geordiedean Posted September 18, 2018 Share Posted September 18, 2018 This thread is going to be like a loved one has died come the end of the season when he walks away I think he will stay... id like to think so but I really cant see it, nothing is going to change and theres a huge possibility we could be a championship club again come what may Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vinny Green Balls Posted September 18, 2018 Share Posted September 18, 2018 I go for quality over quantity... indeed My concern right now is that after we added Dubravka and Kennedy last season and the more Lascelles and Lejune become a partnership at the back, we started to look a good team in general. Nothing special, but able to defend and slack up pressure and nick a draw or a win or able to get at teams and do enough to go on and win. Lejune is a big miss at the back of course, but other than the basics and some huff and puff, there isn’t any real selmblance of a team at the moment in either area of the pitch, on and off the ball. I think for the players despondency has set in following what can only be described as a really poor transfer window. Had we just added 2 or 3 really quality players and early enough to be fit and he’ll we would be much better off, but we have either replaced like for like or bought players of no pedigree who will need time to sell and adapt and even then they aren’t improving the team by much, if at all. Then there is Rafa’s situation, the players are still playing for him and he is still giving his all and they and he will continue to do that, but it’s harder to keep what we had going last season and then try to build on that if the manager and his staff might not be here next season. We all know Rafa takes each game at a time and the days or week or weeks leading up to a game is all about that game specifically, in terms of developing the players through coaching, however, it’s always about tomorrow and not today as Rafa tries to create a long-term style that can evolve and change as happened towards the end of last season where we become more progressive in attack and more confident on the ball having laid down the defensive foundations. Obviously being restricted in the transfer market doesn’t help in that sense as we have seen how in Dubravka and Kennedy alone last season just by adding their quality and extra attributes can speed up the evolution of the team or enable it to grow. We seem to have regressed, yes we have had a tough start in terms of fixtures, but we have looked desperately short all over the park, in defence, midfield and mostly in attack. There is not one thing you can say we are good at, do well or can work on and only get better at. Not at current. Last season there was a sense of trying to put right a wrong of relegation, for players to prove themselves and hope for a brighter future. I would t even call this a second season syndrome, I’d call this an eniveability of what happens when you don’t build on things to kick on. Rafa is a great manager but he can’t be expected to churn out a top 10 finish with if not the same players a team that bears the same lack of quality all the same and keep such a team fighting to do what is extremely hard to keep doing, improving, not when that improvement last year was a form of overachievement and not a natural progression. Last season is over, it’s gone, Rafa needs to find a new solution and soon because you can’t keep doing the same things over and over again we did last season that only barely just worked. He’s not daft though, if anyone can find a way, it’s him. It won’t be pretty though and now it’s all about just staying up and all the way from now and until the end of the season. Sadly it neednt have been that way and shouldn’t be not with 53k fans and Rafa in the dugout and all that TV money. This is gonna be another season in many which will be a page if the in the annals of the club’s history, like most of Pardew’s where everything just seems a bit pointless which is what we as a club are right now. What’s the point in having 53k fans? What’s the point in all that TV money? What’s the point in having a world class manager? What’s the point if even being a PL club? There are clubs like Wolves and Fulham who have tried to become a PL club for many a year and will do their best to not just stay one, but to become a PL club of note that want to write new chapters, make new history and compete as best as they can and as high as they can. It’s kind of not fair that we went up just to make up the numbers when there are many clubs who didn’t and may never will would love a crack at the PL so they can become a club worthy of the top-flight. We are not worthy. Rafa is, as fans we are worthy and some of our players are. Ashley though, he doesn’t deserve to own such a club and have such a manager in the dugout. Fans dont deserve Ashley either, but if we don’t do something, anything, we don’t deserve Rafa, a great team and a top club. Rafa has fought from day one for that and will right up until the day he leaves, be it under Ashley or someone else. A lot of fans have fought too and will keep fighting, but if the majority don’t join the fight it’s always going to be a losing battle and a landslide victory for Ashley. A lifetime of Ashley, really? Because that’s where it’s all heading. Imagine a decade of Rafa being backed and supported financially and what he could achieve, what we as a club could do. Imagine that kind of chapter in our history books... The last 10 have been relegations, relegation battles, greats humiliated and took to court, our better players sold constantly, outspent by championship clubs, our stadium decaying, fans fighting, media laughing, our history and status eroded and worst of all our club becoming synonymous with Sports Direct where now we are a vehicle for that and it’s majority shareholder, owner and all his cronies, and nothing else. Sports Direct United. but at least your quality is generally high as well Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Howaythetoon Posted September 18, 2018 Share Posted September 18, 2018 Thank you sir! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
summerof69 Posted September 18, 2018 Share Posted September 18, 2018 Never change HTT. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Howaythetoon Posted September 18, 2018 Share Posted September 18, 2018 This thread is going to be like a loved one has died come the end of the season when he walks away I think he will stay... id like to think so but I really cant see it, nothing is going to change and theres a huge possibility we could be a championship club again come what may That could be a possibility even if Rafa were to sign a new deal tomorrow thanks to the summer and while there is still January to make ammends, or try to, the phrase too little too late springs to mind. I can see Ashley offering Rafa just enough money to improve facilities and just enough money to look at 3rd choice targets and not 5th or 6th choices which could well keep him happy enough because I genuinely believe right now, he isn’t focused on trophies or proving himself against the best. It’s about coaching, building something that he can have full control of and that he doesn’t need mega money to make happen. That and he’s happy here and and values this more than any silverware or big club badge prestige on his blazer. Of course if someone took over and said here is 200m, we want a trophy and CL footy he isn’t going to say no to that... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mighty__mag Posted September 18, 2018 Share Posted September 18, 2018 My concern right now is that after we added Dubravka and Kennedy last season and the more Lascelles and Lejune become a partnership at the back, we started to look a good team in general. Nothing special, but able to defend and slack up pressure and nick a draw or a win or able to get at teams and do enough to go on and win. Lejune is a big miss at the back of course, but other than the basics and some huff and puff, there isn’t any real selmblance of a team at the moment in either area of the pitch, on and off the ball. I think for the players despondency has set in following what can only be described as a really poor transfer window. Had we just added 2 or 3 really quality players and early enough to be fit and he’ll we would be much better off, but we have either replaced like for like or bought players of no pedigree who will need time to sell and adapt and even then they aren’t improving the team by much, if at all. Then there is Rafa’s situation, the players are still playing for him and he is still giving his all and they and he will continue to do that, but it’s harder to keep what we had going last season and then try to build on that if the manager and his staff might not be here next season. We all know Rafa takes each game at a time and the days or week or weeks leading up to a game is all about that game specifically, in terms of developing the players through coaching, however, it’s always about tomorrow and not today as Rafa tries to create a long-term style that can evolve and change as happened towards the end of last season where we become more progressive in attack and more confident on the ball having laid down the defensive foundations. Obviously being restricted in the transfer market doesn’t help in that sense as we have seen how in Dubravka and Kennedy alone last season just by adding their quality and extra attributes can speed up the evolution of the team or enable it to grow. We seem to have regressed, yes we have had a tough start in terms of fixtures, but we have looked desperately short all over the park, in defence, midfield and mostly in attack. There is not one thing you can say we are good at, do well or can work on and only get better at. Not at current. Last season there was a sense of trying to put right a wrong of relegation, for players to prove themselves and hope for a brighter future. I would t even call this a second season syndrome, I’d call this an eniveability of what happens when you don’t build on things to kick on. Rafa is a great manager but he can’t be expected to churn out a top 10 finish with if not the same players a team that bears the same lack of quality all the same and keep such a team fighting to do what is extremely hard to keep doing, improving, not when that improvement last year was a form of overachievement and not a natural progression. Last season is over, it’s gone, Rafa needs to find a new solution and soon because you can’t keep doing the same things over and over again we did last season that only barely just worked. He’s not daft though, if anyone can find a way, it’s him. It won’t be pretty though and now it’s all about just staying up and all the way from now and until the end of the season. Sadly it neednt have been that way and shouldn’t be not with 53k fans and Rafa in the dugout and all that TV money. This is gonna be another season in many which will be a page if the in the annals of the club’s history, like most of Pardew’s where everything just seems a bit pointless which is what we as a club are right now. What’s the point in having 53k fans? What’s the point in all that TV money? What’s the point in having a world class manager? What’s the point if even being a PL club? There are clubs like Wolves and Fulham who have tried to become a PL club for many a year and will do their best to not just stay one, but to become a PL club of note that want to write new chapters, make new history and compete as best as they can and as high as they can. It’s kind of not fair that we went up just to make up the numbers when there are many clubs who didn’t and may never will would love a crack at the PL so they can become a club worthy of the top-flight. We are not worthy. Rafa is, as fans we are worthy and some of our players are. Ashley though, he doesn’t deserve to own such a club and have such a manager in the dugout. Fans dont deserve Ashley either, but if we don’t do something, anything, we don’t deserve Rafa, a great team and a top club. Rafa has fought from day one for that and will right up until the day he leaves, be it under Ashley or someone else. A lot of fans have fought too and will keep fighting, but if the majority don’t join the fight it’s always going to be a losing battle and a landslide victory for Ashley. A lifetime of Ashley, really? Because that’s where it’s all heading. Imagine a decade of Rafa being backed and supported financially and what he could achieve, what we as a club could do. Imagine that kind of chapter in our history books... The last 10 have been relegations, relegation battles, greats humiliated and took to court, our better players sold constantly, outspent by championship clubs, our stadium decaying, fans fighting, media laughing, our history and status eroded and worst of all our club becoming synonymous with Sports Direct where now we are a vehicle for that and it’s majority shareholder, owner and all his cronies, and nothing else. Sports Direct United. I'm not totally sure, I think it was touch and go for ages, we were as much in the shit for most of the season than anyone else around us, any of 10 sides were as crap as each other, then between March & April we went on a four game winning streak pulling us right out of the shit and those 12 points were what made the difference as Swansea took a turn for the worse, I felt with them it was like us with McLaren, they messed around with Paul Clement for far to long. But in terms of us last season and this season, it's as you say down to the start being difficult,and injuries and players current form, Kenedy was in superb form when he first signed, Dubravka equally, and also the Lejeune/Lascelles partnership as you said is notable thus far this season. The lack of threat at goal worries me more this season. I just hope Rondon has it in him to get his first double figures in the prem, because under 10 goals in a relegation threatend side is a worry. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Altamullan Posted September 19, 2018 Share Posted September 19, 2018 Basically for the hard of reading... Rafa = doing a great job Rafa = cannot really do much more Rafa = expecting him to is expecting too much Ashley = blame him, it’s never going to change while he’s around Rafa = So all those words—80+ lines, with thoughtful paragraph breaks, approaching one thousand words—express one idea? Well, plus the Ashley statement: something so often repeated it barely registers. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
James Posted September 19, 2018 Share Posted September 19, 2018 Can we please stop chasing HTT around the forum for daring to write more than four sentences. It’s getting quite pathetic, borderline bullying really, its not constructive at all and shows who the real idiots are. This forum is to give people a voice, HTT loves to write, its his voice, his opinion, that’s great. By all means say if you disagree but otherwise if you don’t want to read it don’t read it and scroll through and shut up. We need to stand together. Let’s embrace all fan’s voices, not try to silence them! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Crooks Posted September 19, 2018 Share Posted September 19, 2018 Can we please stop chasing HTT around the forum for daring to write more than four sentences. It’s getting quite pathetic, borderline bullying really, its not constructive at all and shows who the real idiots are. This forum is to give people a voice, HTT loves to write, its his voice, his opinion, that’s great. By all means say if you disagree but otherwise if you don’t want to read it don’t read it and scroll through and shut up. We need to stand together. Let’s embrace all fan’s voices, not try to silence them! Shut it, tit. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest firetotheworks Posted September 19, 2018 Share Posted September 19, 2018 Can we please stop chasing HTT around the forum for daring to write more than four sentences. It’s getting quite pathetic, borderline bullying really, its not constructive at all and shows who the real idiots are. This forum is to give people a voice, HTT loves to write, its his voice, his opinion, that’s great. By all means say if you disagree but otherwise if you don’t want to read it don’t read it and scroll through and shut up. We need to stand together. Let’s embrace all fan’s voices, not try to silence them! Shut it, tit. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tubestationatmidnight Posted September 19, 2018 Share Posted September 19, 2018 This thread is going to be like a loved one has died come the end of the season when he walks away I think he will stay... id like to think so but I really cant see it, nothing is going to change and theres a huge possibility we could be a championship club again come what may If he does stay on under Ashley that means he is happy to pick up 6m just to keep us up. Would be no different or any more ambition than any other managers under Ashley in that case Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paully Posted September 19, 2018 Share Posted September 19, 2018 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve_69 Posted September 19, 2018 Share Posted September 19, 2018 Classy bastard! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wormy Posted September 19, 2018 Share Posted September 19, 2018 This thread is going to be like a loved one has died come the end of the season when he walks away I think he will stay... id like to think so but I really cant see it, nothing is going to change and theres a huge possibility we could be a championship club again come what may If he does stay on under Ashley that means he is happy to pick up 6m just to keep us up. Would be no different or any more ambition than any other managers under Ashley in that case HE SHUD WARK THEN AMIRITE TUBES Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmojorisin75 Posted September 19, 2018 Share Posted September 19, 2018 This thread is going to be like a loved one has died come the end of the season when he walks away I think he will stay... id like to think so but I really cant see it, nothing is going to change and theres a huge possibility we could be a championship club again come what may If he does stay on under Ashley that means he is happy to pick up 6m just to keep us up. Would be no different or any more ambition than any other managers under Ashley in that case HE SHUD WARK THEN AMIRITE TUBES Of course, being a multi millionaire already I'm sure the only consideration in Rafa's life is moar money. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tubestationatmidnight Posted September 19, 2018 Share Posted September 19, 2018 This thread is going to be like a loved one has died come the end of the season when he walks away I think he will stay... id like to think so but I really cant see it, nothing is going to change and theres a huge possibility we could be a championship club again come what may If he does stay on under Ashley that means he is happy to pick up 6m just to keep us up. Would be no different or any more ambition than any other managers under Ashley in that case HE SHUD WARK THEN AMIRITE TUBES Of course, being a multi millionaire already I'm sure the only consideration in Rafa's life is moar money. Ok then so say he signs a new 6m deal next summer to stay on and we are shopping in the bargain bucket again isn't that him settling for how Ashley runs the club and barely any different to other Ashley managers? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmojorisin75 Posted September 19, 2018 Share Posted September 19, 2018 This thread is going to be like a loved one has died come the end of the season when he walks away I think he will stay... id like to think so but I really cant see it, nothing is going to change and theres a huge possibility we could be a championship club again come what may If he does stay on under Ashley that means he is happy to pick up 6m just to keep us up. Would be no different or any more ambition than any other managers under Ashley in that case HE SHUD WARK THEN AMIRITE TUBES Of course, being a multi millionaire already I'm sure the only consideration in Rafa's life is moar money. Ok then so say he signs a new 6m deal next summer to stay on and we are shopping in the bargain bucket again isn't that him settling for how Ashley runs the club and barely any different to other Ashley managers? i can't imagine a scenario where that happens, but if he does sign under those circumstances my feeling is the £6m won't be the influencing factor no matter how many times you keep implying it rafa could walk into another job on big money, he's not staying with us for the money mate Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tubestationatmidnight Posted September 19, 2018 Share Posted September 19, 2018 But If he did then surely that is him content with the club? I can't see him getting a top 6 job, he wants to stay in England, big money and no pressure here. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tubestationatmidnight Posted September 19, 2018 Share Posted September 19, 2018 So what other factors would there be for him staying with us now other than the money? Rafa isn't staying with us for the money? Ok, why hasn't he walked now then? Money. That's why. And if it wasn't then it's as he's content with how things are. Pretty simple Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmojorisin75 Posted September 19, 2018 Share Posted September 19, 2018 But If he did then surely that is him content with the club? I can't see him getting a top 6 job, he wants to stay in England, big money and no pressure here. By then he'll have put 3 years into the club and the players at the club. Maybe he feels some attachment to the club, the people, the city, and is enjoying his life coaching. As much as we like to think his entire existence is probably rooted in hating Ashley it's pretty unlikely. I'm not saying he'll stay, I'm just saying there's much more to it than you're making out. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tubestationatmidnight Posted September 19, 2018 Share Posted September 19, 2018 But If he did then surely that is him content with the club? I can't see him getting a top 6 job, he wants to stay in England, big money and no pressure here. By then he'll have put 3 years into the club and the players at the club. Maybe he feels some attachment to the club, the people, the city, and is enjoying his life coaching. As much as we like to think his entire existence is probably rooted in hating Ashley it's pretty unlikely. I'm not saying he'll stay, I'm just saying there's much more to it than you're making out. Quite possibly yeah. Which is why I said I think he will stay altough he looks fed up already. Maybe he has mellowed and after winning a lot in the past is just content with living in England and likes the club and city etc Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wilson Posted September 19, 2018 Share Posted September 19, 2018 But If he did then surely that is him content with the club? I can't see him getting a top 6 job, he wants to stay in England, big money and no pressure here. Or that he is still going to try to make change at a club that he thinks has massive potential (which he's indicated many times) and also has the adulation from most of the fans (other than some wierdos). He always said it's a project, it's just a much bigger project/challenge than he expected. If he could see us past Ashley and into a 'proper' football club, I think he'd see it as one of his greater achievements...given the obstacles he's faced with. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted September 19, 2018 Share Posted September 19, 2018 But If he did then surely that is him content with the club? I can't see him getting a top 6 job, he wants to stay in England, big money and no pressure here. By then he'll have put 3 years into the club and the players at the club. Maybe he feels some attachment to the club, the people, the city, and is enjoying his life coaching. As much as we like to think his entire existence is probably rooted in hating Ashley it's pretty unlikely. I'm not saying he'll stay, I'm just saying there's much more to it than you're making out. Quite possibly yeah. Which is why I said I think he will stay altough he looks fed up already. Maybe he has mellowed and after winning a lot in the past is just content with living in England and likes the club and city etc Obviously he likes living in England, likes the club and city etc, but that hardly means he's happy to settle for mediocrity. There's absolutely nothing in his language or actions which would lead you to believe it if you were objective. He'd have signed a contract already instead of digging his heels in and chucking veiled criticisms at the owner for not producing in transfer windows. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mattoon Posted September 19, 2018 Share Posted September 19, 2018 Oh joy Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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