RealGoneKid Posted January 16, 2022 Share Posted January 16, 2022 6 minutes ago, ManDoon said: Ohhhh ructions Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sean Posted January 16, 2022 Share Posted January 16, 2022 5 minutes ago, GWN said: You seem unable to grasp that 89% of them are utter fucking shite What the fuck are you on about? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vinny Green Balls Posted January 16, 2022 Share Posted January 16, 2022 19 minutes ago, AsproHor8319 said: Want to try & say that to my face keyboard warrior? probably in your mammies basement, lmao Go back to your incel buddies at 8kun, twat. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Klaus Posted January 16, 2022 Share Posted January 16, 2022 This place has been infiltrated by some right knuckle draggers recently. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted January 16, 2022 Share Posted January 16, 2022 New sign up wanker. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
GWN Posted January 16, 2022 Share Posted January 16, 2022 1 minute ago, Sean said: What the fuck are you on about? Are you stupid Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
relámpago blanco Posted January 16, 2022 Share Posted January 16, 2022 @Sean Rafa, I fucking love and I would have him back but the issue is his, along with Howe's training and tactics take a long time to take effect. You can research both, with Rafa, us going down is a casing point. With Howe look at his former clubs. We also have to factor in these players have been ruined by Bruce because of a lack of coaching for years. Some have responded, some haven't. I thought we would have had better results just from training but its a completely different approach ( actually coaching the players). Eddie has been hamstrung from the start(covid) and we have been very unlucky and I'll never fucking forgive Clark for that sending off as we would have won that game. Because of various unfortunate bollocks we didn't get the new manager bounce and have been unlucky. We look shite now so we need a few signings and I think we will be ok. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colos Short and Curlies Posted January 16, 2022 Share Posted January 16, 2022 I think its now or never for Rafa to come back. We know he was definitely AS's first choice and that the consortium made tentative approaches before appointing Howe so there remained an ambition for Rafa to spearhead the revolution 4 months ago. So the question for them to now ask and answer is 2 fold - firstly if we are in the Championship next year who is in the dug out and then secondly do they have more faith in Howe or Rafa to make that question redundant. If the answer to the second is Rafa then they need a real long hard look into question 1. There is no value in keeping Howe if Rafa is the choice when it goes wrong and I doubt the consortium will be anything other than cool and collected in making the call either way Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
huss9 Posted January 16, 2022 Share Posted January 16, 2022 32 minutes ago, Carlito said: I wouldn't necessarily say Rafa's methods took a long time to work here (although that depends on what you'd define as a long time in fairness). We ended the 15/16 season 6 games unbeaten, conceding only 4 goals which were against Liverpool, Man City and Spurs. Not bad at all for a relegated side. people forget. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wandy Posted January 16, 2022 Share Posted January 16, 2022 36 minutes ago, Tomato Deuce said: I don’t believe there’s a single manager we could realistically hire at this point who’d be better positioned to keep up this squad than Howe. Anyone we get in would be starting from square one AGAIN, albeit with the same squad; it’s not plug-n-play. We’ve committed to Howe to let him implement his system come hell or high water. It’ll either come off this season and we’ll stay up, or he’ll be revamping the squad next season in the Championship. Y’all are kidding yourselves if you think Howe was hired as a mercenary manager with the sole mandate to keep the squad in the Premier League. He’s quite clearly someone PIF is investing in with a view to the bigger picture. *Even if that means we’re going down with him.* And it has nothing to do with loyalty to Howe. He’s working with Bruce’s broken squad, trying to get them playing actual football instead of “hoof it up field and run around a bit, lads.” I’m not saying results haven’t been disappointing and we’re not in need of significant investment. There's not a chance that PIF hired Howe in the belief that we might be relegated this season and therefore he'd be the man for the next 3 years regardless. If we go down then he has failed and should be sacked. I'm near certain that PIF will take this view too, otherwise losing will be being rewarded. That's not how a successful, winning organisation operates. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dwivedi Posted January 16, 2022 Share Posted January 16, 2022 To be honest everton side he managed had its best players out almost whole season, their main strikers were absent, their main central defender was out, rest of their squad is really poor. They didn't even give him any money to spend. And the fans were toxic from the beginning, they would just question every decision of his. Worst fans i have ever seen. But rafa has this on himself, he should have judged the fans reaction, players just doesn't care when manager is extremely unpopular and that's what probably happened there. I read somewhere when their whole squad was available they won 5 out 6 games. So probably down to injuries and fans ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Numbers Posted January 16, 2022 Share Posted January 16, 2022 39 minutes ago, AsproHor8319 said: Want to try & say that to my face keyboard warrior? probably in your mammies basement, lmao A bare knuckle straightener on the nearest field is the best option. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wandy Posted January 16, 2022 Share Posted January 16, 2022 10 minutes ago, Colos Short and Curlies said: I think its now or never for Rafa to come back. We know he was definitely AS's first choice and that the consortium made tentative approaches before appointing Howe so there remained an ambition for Rafa to spearhead the revolution 4 months ago. So the question for them to now ask and answer is 2 fold - firstly if we are in the Championship next year who is in the dug out and then secondly do they have more faith in Howe or Rafa to make that question redundant. If the answer to the second is Rafa then they need a real long hard look into question 1. There is no value in keeping Howe if Rafa is the choice when it goes wrong and I doubt the consortium will be anything other than cool and collected in making the call either way I reckon that Howe has the next 5 matches to show he is going to get us out of this mess or he's a goner. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nufcnick Posted January 16, 2022 Share Posted January 16, 2022 1 minute ago, Wandy said: I reckon that Howe has the next 5 matches to show he is going to get us out of this mess or he's a goner. Could be a goner after Leeds, gives Rafa a free week Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Numbers Posted January 16, 2022 Share Posted January 16, 2022 Proper hell on in this thread , even seen keyboard warrior, living in your mams basement mentioned, fantastic turn of events. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pixelphish Posted January 16, 2022 Share Posted January 16, 2022 Just now, Numbers said: Proper hell on in this thread , even seen keyboard warrior, living in your mams basement mentioned, fantastic turn of events. Mammies basement is a nice 00's throwback. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deuce Posted January 16, 2022 Share Posted January 16, 2022 I would be very surprised if Howe gets sacked this season. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
thomas Posted January 16, 2022 Share Posted January 16, 2022 Reappointing Rafa would be a backwards-looking move of pure nostalgia. He's firmly in the Mourinho zone. Will always love the guy but his time has passed. You're desperate to feel the same way as his first time around but it's never the same. No thank you. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldtype Posted January 16, 2022 Share Posted January 16, 2022 I don’t think a club that’s 3-5 years away from contending for anything (and possibly even facing a year in the championship) should be appointing a manger in his sixties. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted January 16, 2022 Share Posted January 16, 2022 3 minutes ago, thomas said: Reappointing Rafa would be a backwards-looking move of pure nostalgia. He's firmly in the Mourinho zone. Will always love the guy but his time has passed. You're desperate to feel the same way as his first time around but it's never the same. No thank you. There’s nothing to base this on. He overachieved hugely with us and he can’t be remotely judged with any degree of accuracy on what’s happened since. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Jinx Posted January 16, 2022 Share Posted January 16, 2022 Despite his cool exterior he likes to be loved and it shows in his success’ or failures. It’s a bit simple to say he’s yesterdays man or that his ship has sailed. To say that about him would be to say that about other managers of his ilk, like Carlo Ancelotti for example.. who also did shit at Everton but is running away with La Liga. It’s the same as players, some settle in a particular club where it just works out where it wouldn’t somewhere else. Rafa works here, he gets the place and he knows how to polish a turd. Eddie also gets the place here and I think for the most part people are behind him but he doesn’t have the experience that Rafa does, for what the consortium are looking in several places for to solve a puzzle, they need only look in one place when it comes to Rafa. Now I’m not for a minute saying we need to ditch Eddie Howe, he’s not had enough time and I think the signings we’re going to make will transform the side but I’m worried about his defensive side of management, even bringing in top class defenders, they’ll still need instruction to be a cohesive unit. Looking at our fixtures, the winnable games are running out quickly.. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
thomas Posted January 16, 2022 Share Posted January 16, 2022 1 minute ago, Ronaldo said: There’s nothing to base this on. He overachieved hugely with us and he can’t be remotely judged with any degree of accuracy on what’s happened since. If you buy in to that idea - which I don't - then the inaccuracy argument still goes both ways: if you can't accurately judge him then you can't just assume he's better than the poor results. He could be worse than the results. It's time to move on. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dwivedi Posted January 16, 2022 Share Posted January 16, 2022 (edited) 21 minutes ago, thomas said: Reappointing Rafa would be a backwards-looking move of pure nostalgia. He's firmly in the Mourinho zone. Will always love the guy but his time has passed. You're desperate to feel the same way as his first time around but it's never the same. No thank you. You will see Mourinho coming back on top once again and so will Benitez, they are smart managers, they just need time, both of them have a certain philosophy which takes a certain time to show results, give any one of them 3-4 seasons and you shall see them overarchiving even with limited means. And yes both of them thrives on fans support, which unfortunately Benitez utterly lacked at his last job. I have seen majority of everton fans saying at his appointment that they won't back him even if he has them back in the champions league position. Edited January 16, 2022 by Dwivedi Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Venkman Posted January 16, 2022 Share Posted January 16, 2022 1 hour ago, relámpago blanco said: You can research both, with Rafa, us going down is a casing point. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Venkman Posted January 16, 2022 Share Posted January 16, 2022 18 minutes ago, Ronaldo said: There’s nothing to base this on. He overachieved hugely with us and he can’t be remotely judged with any degree of accuracy on what’s happened since. Mate, was wondering when you were going to show up! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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