Shearergol Posted January 19, 2018 Share Posted January 19, 2018 Since the transfer windows shut in the summer Rafa’s situation has always been staying this season and trying to keep us up and hoping a takeover is done before the of the season or early in the summer. If not then he’d be off. I don’t see how anything that has happened in the last week changes his position. He’ll stay and see if a takeover happens soon after survival is confirmed (if we stay up). Nothing changes his position I suppose, but for us as fans it seems a lot more likely that it won't happen and he'll walk. That's the thing I'm worried about. Sign nobody, lose Rafa, get relegated, Ashley stays forever. That’s my fear now. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nexumaster Posted January 19, 2018 Share Posted January 19, 2018 Since the transfer windows shut in the summer Rafa’s situation has always been staying this season and trying to keep us up and hoping a takeover is done before the of the season or early in the summer. If not then he’d be off. I don’t see how anything that has happened in the last week changes his position. He’ll stay and see if a takeover happens soon after survival is confirmed (if we stay up). Nothing changes his position I suppose, but for us as fans it seems a lot more likely that it won't happen and he'll walk. That's the thing I'm worried about. Sign nobody, lose Rafa, get relegated, Ashley stays forever. That’s my fear now. Not sure how Ashely doesn't get this. He could keep his grip as it is - but it won't ever get his money back or a good price. Now is the best time to sell from his position. We'll never be worth more under him, only less. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest The Little Waster Posted January 19, 2018 Share Posted January 19, 2018 We are instantly worth more once he gets his mits on the tv money , Rafa or no Rafa Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest The Little Waster Posted January 19, 2018 Share Posted January 19, 2018 Ashleys dream scenario : survive this season then f*** Rafa over yet again on transfers so Rafa either walks or Arsenal etc comes in for him at which point Ashley wants compo . Hes not interested in selling NUFC its the gift (52000 mugs ) that keeps on giving Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Interpolic Posted January 19, 2018 Share Posted January 19, 2018 Financial penalty aside, there's no reason for Rafa to stick around beyond this summer if Ashley still owns the club. It's a total waste of time for him treading water at a club who actively embrace mediocrity. Same as it's a waste of time for us. 10.5 years wasted and counting. It's pathetic. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ketsbaia Posted January 19, 2018 Share Posted January 19, 2018 Today's developments are fine, to be honest. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NG32 Posted January 19, 2018 Share Posted January 19, 2018 Ashleys dream scenario : survive this season then f*** Rafa over yet again on transfers so Rafa either walks or Arsenal etc comes in for him at which point Ashley wants compo . Hes not interested in selling NUFC its the gift (52000 mugs ) that keeps on giving Hes gambling on staying up on very little, the value of the club rises again or at the very least cements his current position. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted January 19, 2018 Share Posted January 19, 2018 PCP just need to sit tight until we are safe. They can then put in a revised bid without need of relegation clauses. Ashley has to sell then, otherwise he will lose Rafa (a key element in PCPs interest in the first place). He will loose a section of the home support going to games next season (numbers anyones guess). And he will own a club that could easily end up following in ******lands footsteps. Ashley doesn't have to do anything other than continue to be a massive fat cunt. It's his club and he can happily wave two fingers to anyone who argues. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nexumaster Posted January 19, 2018 Share Posted January 19, 2018 Ashleys dream scenario : survive this season then f*** Rafa over yet again on transfers so Rafa either walks or Arsenal etc comes in for him at which point Ashley wants compo . Hes not interested in selling NUFC its the gift (52000 mugs ) that keeps on giving I doubt we'll have 52000 every week if we go down (and possibly down again - we've been lucky the last two times). How much will the club be worth he won't invest in players and we hit League 1? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest firetotheworks Posted January 19, 2018 Share Posted January 19, 2018 Same as it's a waste of time for us. 10.5 years wasted and counting. It's pathetic. In 2009 my subtitle on here was 'jazzing to the beep tone of a life support machine' and nowt's changed like, what are we even doing? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jackie Broon Posted January 19, 2018 Share Posted January 19, 2018 PCP just need to sit tight until we are safe. They can then put in a revised bid without need of relegation clauses. Ashley has to sell then, otherwise he will lose Rafa (a key element in PCPs interest in the first place). He will loose a section of the home support going to games next season (numbers anyones guess). And he will own a club that could easily end up following in ******lands footsteps. If we manage to clamber to safety Ashley will almost certainly up his asking price. He will not give a fuck about losing Rafa, or what would be a small section of the support. He'll pocket as much of the premier league money as he can, bring in another yes-man manager and continue gambling on survival with as little investment as possible. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Klaus Posted January 19, 2018 Share Posted January 19, 2018 Today's developments are fine, to be honest. Your avatar is well suited Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Interpolic Posted January 19, 2018 Share Posted January 19, 2018 Same as it's a waste of time for us. 10.5 years wasted and counting. It's pathetic. In 2009 my subtitle on here was 'jazzing to the beep tone of a life support machine' and nowt's changed like, what are we even doing? Exactly, they've even stopped feeding us 5 year plans where we're following the Aston Villa model or whatever the last few years. Not even pretending to run us as a sporting institution should be run anymore. Just milking Rafa til the next half-arsed plan. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted January 19, 2018 Share Posted January 19, 2018 PCP just need to sit tight until we are safe. They can then put in a revised bid without need of relegation clauses. Ashley has to sell then, otherwise he will lose Rafa (a key element in PCPs interest in the first place). He will loose a section of the home support going to games next season (numbers anyones guess). And he will own a club that could easily end up following in ******lands footsteps. If we manage to clamber to safety Ashley will almost certainly up his asking price. He will not give a fuck about losing Rafa, or what would be a small section of the support. He'll pocket as much of the premier league money as he can, bring in another yes-man manager and continue gambling on survival with as little investment as possible. We'll have more money to play with next season. I reckon he'll be thinking to himself, if we stay up he can become a hero again by spending like he did with McClaren. He really is that deluded. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heron Posted January 19, 2018 Share Posted January 19, 2018 Tomorrow. 0-1 and Staveley whacks in 300million with no Santa's. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest neesy111 Posted January 19, 2018 Share Posted January 19, 2018 Tomorrow. 0-1 and Staveley whacks in 300million with no Santa's. Love your optimism. I've got us down for a 2-0 win tomorrow. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elric Posted January 19, 2018 Share Posted January 19, 2018 http://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2018/01/19/amanda-staveley-told-pay-300m-without-clauses-persuade-newcastle/ That heading for the article, man. "Purchase the club to show you're serious about the purchase" Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anderson Posted January 19, 2018 Share Posted January 19, 2018 Except the room we were talking in — grey, wood-panelled walls — was where Theresa May based her leadership campaign for the Conservative party. Staveley is not really political, she says, but she has the prime minster on speed-dial and counts her as a friend. Staveley out. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlies Posted January 19, 2018 Share Posted January 19, 2018 Mark Douglas @MsiDouglas “We would love to buy Newcastle. The fans are phenomenal, the club could be huge and a big success if run properly. You need a world class manager. If Rafa isn't there at the end of the season we would have to rethink this transaction." 3:43 pm · 19 Jan 2018 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Interpolic Posted January 19, 2018 Share Posted January 19, 2018 Well there it is. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Guest neesy111 Posted January 19, 2018 Share Posted January 19, 2018 PCP implying we aren't ran properly. That'll go down well.... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlies Posted January 19, 2018 Share Posted January 19, 2018 Staveley-led consortium won't walk away from Newcastle bid as long as Benitez is manager Staveley committed to club despite accusations from owner Mike Ashley that the Dubai financier is wasting his time Mustafa Alrawi January 19, 2018 Updated: January 19, 2018 07:36 PM 0 shares Rafa Benitez, manager of Newcastle United, is considered by Amanda Staveley to be doing a phenomenal job at St James' Park under difficult circumstances. Getty Images The consortium trying to buy Newcastle United remains interested in the English Premier League club as long as Rafa Benitez is the side’s manager, the Dubai financier leading the bid said. Negotiations, ongoing since October, have become fraught in recent days after hopes of a deal seemed to fade in the New Year with the parties unable to agree terms amid worries over how relegation from the Premier League would change the financial status of the club. However, the PCP Capital Partners-led consortium remains a buyer of Newcastle until the summer at least, unless Benitez leaves. The Spaniard is doing a phenomenal job with an understrength squad, according to PCP’s chief executive Amanda Staveley. "The three separate bids we put in, as they changed in October going into late November, all had one consistent part to them throughout and that is we must have Rafa remain as manager," Staveley said. ____________________________ Read more: Newcastle United fans fearful over Benitez’s future after Amanda Staveley takeover deal ends Newcastle takeover hangs in the balance as Ashley holds out for £300m from Staveley Staveley PCP takeover could take Newcastle back to 1990s glory days, says former FA executive English football's economic miracle driving Staveley's Newcastle bid ____________________________ If Benitez were to leave the club, either before or at the end of the season, then PCP would potentially walk away from the deal, said Mehrdad Ghodoussi, PCP’s managing partner and Staveley’s husband. “We would love to buy Newcastle. The fans are phenomenal, the club could be huge and a big success if run properly,” said Ghodoussi, a former investment banker. “You need a world class manager. If Rafa isn't there at the end of the season we would have to rethink this transaction." On Wednesday, the sale appeared to already be on the rocks after a source close to Mike Ashley, Newcastle’s owner, told Sky Sports that there was no deal even under discussion with Staveley and PCP. The source said that “attempts to reach a deal with Amanda Staveley and PCP have proved exhausting, frustrating and a complete waste of time”. BREAKING: Source close to Mike Ashley: "It is only right to let the fans know that there is no deal on the table or even under discussion with Amanda Staveley and PCP. Attempts to reach a deal have proved to be exhaustive, frustrating and a complete waste of time." #SSN — Sky Sports News (@SkySportsNews) January 16, 2018 PCP Capital Partners, however, insists it is in for Newcastle for the long haul. Even relegation from the Premier League would not alter the appetite for club - although the price would be impacted substantially - as long as Benitez remained manager. The Spaniard has already experience one relegation with Newcastle, taking them back up to the Premier League at the first attempt last season. He has appeared to be hyper focused on his job, as is his nature, but fans fear he could leave St James’ Park if a sale looks increasingly unlikely. Newcastle are currently 15th in the table, just three points above the teams in the relegation zone. They play league leaders Manchester City away on Saturday evening. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shearergol Posted January 19, 2018 Share Posted January 19, 2018 Well there it is. On hold until summer then. By which time Ashley decides he’s here until we win something. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jayson Posted January 19, 2018 Share Posted January 19, 2018 I just think its likely Ashley wants 300-350m. We've all known from the start he wanted money above 250m, this hasnt happened. Whats the basis for the "its all a game, he'll never sell" posts? He lied again about the lack of realistic communication, but thats a given. Still, clauses for 50m are not little footnotes in a negotiation. Staveley has not bid near this amount, without clauses. She is also stating she was going to spend 200m on transfers/the training ground. I mean realistically, if she really wants the club he may just think there is the option to give him more & simply spend less on transfers. Its basically just two sides who aren't budging waiting for the other side to back down. With the current television deals going insane all the time, 50m really shouldn't stop a negotiation of this size. I think they are playing games with eachother. 1: Staveleys pov was that she has leverage, due to the transfer window, Rafa giving the club value, the fans patience. So she expects him to feel pressure & time constraint for the deal. 2: Ashleys pov is that he's an absolute lunatic, who routinely loses/wins large sums of money at casinos gambling (based on multiple stories online) & is not the kind of person who will bow to any leverage of any kind. He doesn't care about logic, pressure etc he will expect to come through it all. So really she'll need to get closer to his valuation to persuade him to not gamble on us anymore. The media comments are just attempts at putting pressure on the other side again for me. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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