marki Posted August 23, 2019 Share Posted August 23, 2019 so they get new investors with a combined wealth of 30 billion and thats not counting dell into the equation,depressing as fuck with all that shit we had to go through about the fakeover,can it get any worse Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
D. Yimentov Posted August 23, 2019 Share Posted August 23, 2019 We didn't pick up a single point at The Dell in 375 games there. The word is a curse on our football club. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Optimistic Nut Posted August 23, 2019 Share Posted August 23, 2019 They should buy Southampton and call it The New Dell. Perfect. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest godzilla Posted August 23, 2019 Share Posted August 23, 2019 so they get new investors with a combined wealth of 30 billion and thats not counting dell into the equation,depressing as f*** with all that s*** we had to go through about the fakeover,can it get any worse Nope, suppose it depends on how much the Dell owner is actually involved which is the key. If he is going to bankroll them then they will totally bypass us within a couple of year and will be big major players. If he isn't involved or is just a minor partner then they will possibly be like most other clubs being took over and still have to live within their means. All boils down to his actual involvement which will no doubt come out when it's announced. There were strong reports that he was involved in discussions with the fat prick about buying us in 2008 but nothing more came of it, surprise, surprise. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fitzgerald Posted August 23, 2019 Share Posted August 23, 2019 Don't all clubs now have to live within their means regardless? Even Man City had to scale it back didn't they? Otherwise it would be easy for any billionaire to take over a league 1 club and get to the Premier League. For these men worth multi billions getting a league 1 club to the top half of the PL is still peanuts to them. The thing I don't get is why someone so rich would go to all the time and trouble it would take just to eventually maybe make what to them would be peanuts. Unless it was just purely a play thing, but again I'm sure that rule has changed now so we won't see what PSG,Man City, Chelsea etc did again? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest chopey Posted August 23, 2019 Share Posted August 23, 2019 Don't all clubs now have to live within their means regardless? Even Man City had to scale it back didn't they? Otherwise it would be easy for any billionaire to take over a league 1 club and get to the Premier League. For these men worth multi billions getting a league 1 club to the top half of the PL is still peanuts to them. The thing I don't get is why someone so rich would go to all the time and trouble it would take just to eventually maybe make what to them would be peanuts. Unless it was just purely a play thing, but again I'm sure that rule has changed now so we won't see what PSG,Man City, Chelsea etc did again? Do Salford qualify for this Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fitzgerald Posted August 23, 2019 Share Posted August 23, 2019 Their spending will still be relatively low though? Without knowing much about them tbf. If it was as simple as it seems then surely more billionaires would do it. I just don't get if you are already a multi billionaire why go to a load of trouble just to possibly one day make peanuts Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackandWhite Posted August 23, 2019 Share Posted August 23, 2019 I expect dell to, at best, have as much involvement as the rich prick from Uruguay who is in as a minority investor under Donald’s ownership. That is unless they reach the rich man’s playground that is the Premier League. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fitzgerald Posted August 23, 2019 Share Posted August 23, 2019 To bankroll just about guaranteed promotion out of league 1 including wages - 10m? Then another 100m to get out the championship? Then 200m or so to stabilise in the PL. That's also if all that money is spent well and if an owner is even allowed to just spend money like that now? Over 300m in fees and contracts just to get to where the likes of a Burnley or Palace are now. Why wouldn't you just buy them for 200 odd million and cut out all the middle bit? Yeah there is huge TV money now but surely that would mainly go to running the club. I don't get where an investor would be making money back out of all this and even if they did then the odd 10 million now and then is nothing when they are a billionaire to start with. Football just seems the last place to go to make money. Great if you just want some fun like Abramovich and Mansour did Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmojorisin75 Posted August 23, 2019 Share Posted August 23, 2019 what are they saying the price is? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fitzgerald Posted August 23, 2019 Share Posted August 23, 2019 40 million I think Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest godzilla Posted August 23, 2019 Share Posted August 23, 2019 To bankroll just about guaranteed promotion out of league 1 including wages - 10m? Then another 100m to get out the championship? Then 200m or so to stabilise in the PL. That's also if all that money is spent well and if an owner is even allowed to just spend money like that now? Over 300m in fees and contracts just to get to where the likes of a Burnley or Palace are now. Why wouldn't you just bit them for 200 odd million and cut out all the middle bit? Yeah there is huge TV money now but surely that would mainly go to running the club. I don't get where an investor would be making money back out of all this and even if they did then the odd 10 million now and then is nothing when they are a billionaire to start with. Football just seems the last place to go to make money. Great if you just want some fun like Abramovich and Mansour did He's worth double what Mansour is. If he is getting involved I think he will want to make sure they are plying their trade within the premier league and challenging. Seems to be the way to go now (i.e. Wolves) buy a club on the cheap with potential and build it up bit by bit. We just have to wait and see how much he is involved (if at all), if he is we will be behind them within a couple of years. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
marki Posted August 23, 2019 Share Posted August 23, 2019 they were expected to get into the championship for this season,in 3 year they will have overtaken us ive no doubts Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fitzgerald Posted August 23, 2019 Share Posted August 23, 2019 It's hard to make money from it and there are limits to what you can put in so it will be even harder to get them to the top. So I just don't get what the point in it is. Unless there are no limits and you can still do a Man City if you wanted Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest godzilla Posted August 23, 2019 Share Posted August 23, 2019 It's hard to make money from it and there are limits to what you can put in so it will be even harder to get them to the top. So I just don't get what the point in it is. Unless there are no limits and you can still do a Man City if you wanted You are kidding yourself if you don't think a bloke who is 25th richest in the world (if involved) is not going to make sure the investment is forthcoming, otherwise why get involved in the first place as certainly no money to be made in division 1 or the Championship. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fitzgerald Posted August 23, 2019 Share Posted August 23, 2019 I agree I'm just asking if that's allowed nowadays with financial fair play? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest godzilla Posted August 23, 2019 Share Posted August 23, 2019 I agree I'm just asking if that's allowed nowadays with financial fair play? Some ways round it with sponsorship, kit suppliers, ground naming and other stuff. The fees for getting big companies (like Dell) involved are massive. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
marki Posted August 23, 2019 Share Posted August 23, 2019 lets face it we are going to have our faces well and truly rubbed into shit i always thought it was a strange coincidence the day they lost at wembley and that very night we were almost celebrating the unthinkable.conspiracy theories and all that Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fitzgerald Posted August 23, 2019 Share Posted August 23, 2019 Something like this is the only chance they would ever have of getting on a par or above the mags like. Even with Ashley They will still be drinking in chickentown and pubs like the colliery tavern scruffy small time cunts Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
persy Posted August 23, 2019 Share Posted August 23, 2019 So you can buy sunderland for one Joelinton? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ToonArmy1892 Posted August 23, 2019 Share Posted August 23, 2019 It will take the mackems being better than us for alot of our daft fans to stop going. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fitzgerald Posted August 23, 2019 Share Posted August 23, 2019 That won't stop them. Only relegation will see sub 35k crowds Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest godzilla Posted August 23, 2019 Share Posted August 23, 2019 It will take the mackems being better than us for alot of our daft fans to stop going. You're probably right on that as nothing else will Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bhoywhonder Posted August 23, 2019 Share Posted August 23, 2019 Potentially great news for the mackems, they'll be shitting in the streets of sunderland tonight... I mean, the two things are unconnected, but good for them. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stifler Posted August 23, 2019 Share Posted August 23, 2019 FFP is a lot more restricting now. You can’t do what Man City did, I even think they have clamped down on sponsorship rules where it can’t be above a certain amount which is dependant on other clubs. You also can’t increase your bill above a certain level each season, meaning the bigger clubs will always have that advantage. They will be buying it to make money back eventually and and partially to promote their investment company. They will be ran well, but I don’t quite think they’ll be challenging for honours. At the best I think the most they’ll achieve and aim for is Europe. Even that is quite a way off. Lucky them though, because exactly that would suit me fine for NUFC. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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