Sean Longstaff

[Menace]

Ideally that's the perfect scenario. However, he'll be here forever.

 

Out of contract end of season - that'll be getting renewed. I find it funny that people said he was playing with an injury last season that's why he's been poor. He's been poor most of the time he's been here

 

 

Edited September 16, 2024 by Menace

[The Prophet]

Actually thought he had a solid start to the season, but he was poor yesterday.

 

Absolutely no excuses to be benching Tonali next weekend.

[Displayname]

 

[TRon]

57 minutes ago, Menace said:

Ideally that's the perfect scenario. However, he'll be here forever.

 

Out of contract end of season - that'll be getting renewed. I find it funny that people said he was playing with an injury last season that's why he's been poor. He's been poor most of the time he's been here

 

 

 

 

He'll end up being another one of those who it's impossible to get money for as he doesn't want to leave. He'll play his contract out and leave for nothing. Or we give him a new contract. It's a lose-lose situation basically.

[AJ9]

Once again, people fail to see a system issue and want to kick the player instead. I agree with @KaKa's post above.

 

What are Longstaff's strengths? Simple, uncomplicated passing that helps us to shift the focus of play, and those late runs either underlapping or onto the penalty spot to contribute with goals. Off the ball he give defensive workrate and recovery running, pressing, determination and some positional reliability.

 

Are we currently playing to any of his strengths? No. We're attempting some form of possession ball (badly), we have a right back that doesn't offer width in the same way and doesn't progress the ball with passes. We have a right winger who is a natural right footer, which changes the patterns in the final 3rd, and we have had a centreback pairing that treat the ball like a bomb (until Fab returned).

 

We're also not pressing in the same way or with the same intensity, which negates some of his strengths on the other side.

 

I'm not saying he should start, but I don't like the way system issues get lumped on one guy.

[Shearergol]

3 minutes ago, AJ9 said:

Once again, people fail to see a system issue and want to kick the player instead. I agree with @KaKa's post above.

 

What are Longstaff's strengths? Simple, uncomplicated passing that helps us to shift the focus of play, and those late runs either underlapping or onto the penalty spot to contribute with goals. Off the ball he give defensive workrate and recovery running, pressing, determination and some positional reliability.

 

Are we currently playing to any of his strengths? No. We're attempting some form of possession ball (badly), we have a right back that doesn't offer width in the same way and doesn't progress the ball with passes. We have a right winger who is a natural right footer, which changes the patterns in the final 3rd, and we have had a centreback pairing that treat the ball like a bomb (until Fab returned).

 

We're also not pressing in the same way or with the same intensity, which negates some of his strengths on the other side.

 

I'm not saying he should start, but I don't like the way system issues get lumped on one guy.

 

But if Howe is playing a particular system, would it make more sense to play players who can play it?

[AJ9]

3 minutes ago, Shearergol said:

 

But if Howe is playing a particular system, would it make more sense to play players who can play it?

 

Yeah it would, for sure, I just don’t think poor Sean deserves all the shite he gets for essentially being a square peg in a round hole here. He’s never going to say, no Eddie you should play Sandro instead

[Abacus]

Hoping he starts against Wimbledon, with Tonali starting the two PL games either side of that. He probably needs a goal too. I'd like to see Osula in that game too fwiw.

 

Subbing him at HT is such a rare move for Howe, so I'd guess (no rash bets here) that this will be the case.

 

I don't think he's a bad player - to my mind he was very good in the season before last. He seemed then to have an engine to gradually play his way into games and was maybe suited to the pressing system we used to use a lot more back then. 

[Vinny Green Balls]

6 hours ago, Displayname said:

 

I find it baffling that you would choose to post the David Hasselhoff version.

[AyeDubbleYoo]

19 hours ago, timnufc22 said:

Shades of Sir Bobby with Jenas, Ameobi and a few others. He just couldn’t bring himself to drop those players and the fans’ frustration seeing the same thing over & over built up and exploded. Howe has got to read the room. Like those players, I don’t think Longstaff would be anywhere near as much a bugbear for fans if he was rotated. 
 

I hate any anger & frustration toward local players and they should be playing in an environment of support & encouragement. Even if Longstaff started the best games, the most logical thing would be to big him up and support him to increase his confidence. But as some also vent at players, there’s naturally going to be that explosion of frustration which will do no-one any good. 

Not really, there’s basically been no other viable option for the majority of the last few months. 

[Weezertron]

Guy has won us a handful of games on his own with goals. He's obviously low on confidence as I'm sure I read in an article that he's aware he's the boo-boys new whipping boy. Especially with miggy not playing. 

 

Eddie doesn't listen to outside noise, nor should he. But it would be helpful for him to know when he needs to shield a player from constant criticism. 

 

It's not his fault he keeps getting picked, poor lad. 

 

Thankfully for his sake, we're inching towards Tonali starting. Then I guess we'll have to move on to ripping Murphy online. 

[Heron]

The way people go on about Longstaff is almost tantamount to bullying. People need to fuck off. 

[Shearergol]

2 minutes ago, Heron said:

The way people go on about Longstaff is almost tantamount to bullying. People need to fuck off. 

On a message board? Really? 
 

unless you mean pitchside of course 

[Heron]

3 hours ago, Shearergol said:

On a message board? Really? 
 

unless you mean pitchside of course 

Just giving him ratings of 2 and such like man, online and that. What a bunch of absolute fucking doylems.

 

I'm not saying people can't think he's not as good as Tonali, he's our weakest link, he's an average midfielder, aye - whatever, but at least be objective and fair about it. Not necessarily on this forum but social media and even in person - people at the games or watching in bars. He's just a scapegoat and an easy target. He clearly isn't the most confident of kids and he adores playing for his home, his city. What do people want?! It's not his fault he's picked and when he is picked he gives it his all and more. I'd have 11 Sean Longstaffs over 11 fucking Sissoko's every day of the week.

 

Absolute piss take.

 

He's our player, from our home.

 

 

Edited September 16, 2024 by Heron

[TRon]

8 minutes ago, Shearergol said:

On a message board? Really? 
 

unless you mean pitchside of course 

 

It's pointless having a discussion board if we aren't allowed to give honest opinions. What's preventing giving a reasoned defence of the player rather than telling people to fuck off? Could just counter by saying Longstaff brings this or that to the table when he plays. Far more effective.

[Heron]

Just now, TRon said:

 

It's pointless having a discussion board if we aren't allowed to give honest opinions. What's preventing giving a reasoned defence of the player rather than telling people to fuck off? Could just counter by saying Longstaff brings this or that to the table when he plays. Far more effective.

Saying shit like he was a 2 is literally pathetic.

 

Like I say, it wasn't aimed at anyone in here, just all the shit I see online.

 

It is clear what Longstaff brings and that someone like Tonali brings more, Longstaff is steady, hard working cog in the labour intensive Newcastle machine. He's not a world beater, he hasn't got the range of passing Tonali has, the physicality of Joelinton, or the pace of Willock, but he's got stamina and he fills the gaps that enabled the likes of Bruno and others to work their magic.

 

People aren't being reasonable saying it was all his fault for the goal, or he was a 2 or owt like that, it's almost pointless discussing it with them people cause they clearly have an agenda.

[TRon]

1 minute ago, Heron said:

Saying shit like he was a 2 is literally pathetic.

 

Like I say, it wasn't aimed at anyone in here, just all the shit I see online.

 

It is clear what Longstaff brings and that someone like Tonali brings more, Longstaff is steady, hard working cog in the labour intensive Newcastle machine. He's not a world beater, he hasn't got the range of passing Tonali has, the physicality of Joelinton, or the pace of Willock, but he's got stamina and he fills the gaps that enabled the likes of Bruno and others to work their magic.

 

People aren't being reasonable saying it was all his fault for the goal, or he was a 2 or owt like that, it's almost pointless discussing it with them people cause they clearly have an agenda.

 

It wasn't all his fault for the goal, there was quite a few mistakes from others which compounded his. Don't really know what people write on social media if you are talking about that so can't comment. It's a subjective thing. You mentioned disliking Sissoko and I actually thought he was much better for us than he was given credit for. At least we got £30m for him so it wasn't all bad.

[Miggys First Goal]

Didn’t John Carver say he wish he had 11 Jack Colbacks?

[Heron]

3 minutes ago, TRon said:

 

It wasn't all his fault for the goal, there was quite a few mistakes from others which compounded his. Don't really know what people write on social media if you are talking about that so can't comment. It's a subjective thing. You mentioned disliking Sissoko and I actually thought he was much better for us than he was given credit for. At least we got £30m for him so it wasn't all bad.

Sissoko didn't give his all for us that's the difference. You can have a go at folk for not putting effort in, it's an easily changeable metric, try harder. You're not gonna make an average player better who's giving you 200% better slating him weekly. That's the point (not aimed at you but generally).

[Displayname]

2 hours ago, Vinny Green Balls said:

I find it baffling that you would choose to post the David Hasselhoff version.

I mean when i first saw he had made one there was no choice really 

 

 

Edited September 16, 2024 by Displayname

[TRon]

4 minutes ago, Heron said:

Sissoko didn't give his all for us that's the difference. You can have a go at folk for not putting effort in, it's an easily changeable metric, try harder. You're not gonna make an average player better who's giving you 200% better slating him weekly. That's the point (not aimed at you but generally).

 

Every professional player should give his all, that should be a given. Doesn't matter whether they are local or from Botswana. I just don't see the point of taking discussions in this direction, otherwise why don't Liverpool play a team of scousers and be happy with them giving it their all in whatever division they end up in?

 

 

[Menace]

Giving it your all doesn't really count for much when its evidently not good enough. I don't blame Longstaff for the situation he's in, but being a confidence player for a team that's on the up and him being out of form is only going to end one way.

[Heron]

22 minutes ago, TRon said:

 

Every professional player should give his all, that should be a given. Doesn't matter whether they are local or from Botswana. I just don't see the point of taking discussions in this direction, otherwise why don't Liverpool play a team of scousers and be happy with them giving it their all in whatever division they end up in?

 

 

It isn't a given though, cause some players don't.

 

I see the point you're making. Teams need more to be successful, you're not wrong. However, it is not good practice for folk to try and ruin the lads confidence whilst he is continued to be selected and continues to give his all. What are folk trying to achieve by being overly negative about his performance? It is disingenuous to suggest he has played anywhere near a 2 at any point his season.

 

1.63 for yesterday. That's not being done with any objectivity. People think Tonali should start and are now looking to crucify Longstaff at any opportunity. Why?

[Displayname]

I might be overly negative. If so it comes out of frustration, not trying to achieve anything. I just dont see what he offers to the team, being a hard worker simply isnt enough at this level. Certainly not enough to keep an Italian international on the bench.

[RobsonsWonderland]

1 hour ago, Miggys First Goal said:

Didn’t John Carver say he wish he had 11 Jack Colbacks?

And Souness said you would win nothing with 11 James Milners...