Conjo Posted April 11, 2019 Share Posted April 11, 2019 What other times are you talking about? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest firetotheworks Posted April 11, 2019 Share Posted April 11, 2019 His entire philosophy is centred around improving players, so suggesting that he stumbled upon Longstaff contradicts that really when we already know that he knows all of the players at all levels at NUFC. It might have been a gamble, but what isn't when bringing new players in? If you want examples of other players - Lascelles, Dummett, Diame, Hayden, Perez, Rondon have all improved immeasurably under Rafa. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Conjo Posted April 11, 2019 Share Posted April 11, 2019 Maybe I don't understand the point you're trying to make, so apologies up front if that's the case, but: Lascelles - Was a young player that got a chance due to injuries/suspesions similar to Longstaff Dummett - Already a first team player Diame - Bought by Benitez Hayden - Bought by Benitez Perez - Already a first team player Rondon - Loaned by Benitez I fail to see how Benitez has done anything more than getting lucky that Longstaff took his chance when it coincidentally presented itself. I'm not saying Benitez was unaware of Longstaff, as evidenced by him being on the bench for a few matches before he was subbed in at the end of December against Liverpool, but it is clear that he didn't think he was good enough to start, and was prioritized a head of others on the bench as well. I agree that Benitez is a good coach that improves/gets the best out of his players, that's not my point at all and not what I'm contesting. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zero Posted April 11, 2019 Share Posted April 11, 2019 I believe there is a difference between “making players performing well under his system” and “improving players”. Whilst many people here believe it’s the latter, most of my Liverpool friends hold the view that it should be former. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest firetotheworks Posted April 11, 2019 Share Posted April 11, 2019 Maybe I don't understand the point you're trying to make, so apologies up front if that's the case, but: Lascelles - Was a young player that got a chance due to injuries/suspesions similar to Longstaff Dummett - Already a first team player Diame - Bought by Benitez Hayden - Bought by Benitez Perez - Already a first team player Rondon - Loaned by Benitez I fail to see how Benitez has done anything more than getting lucky that Longstaff took his chance when it coincidentally presented itself. I'm not saying Benitez was unaware of Longstaff, as evidenced by him being on the bench for a few matches before he was subbed in at the end of December against Liverpool, but it is clear that he didn't think he was good enough to start, and was prioritized a head of others on the bench as well. I agree that Benitez is a good coach that improves/gets the best out of his players, that's not my point at all and not what I'm contesting. You could just as easily argue that it was only a coincidence that other players were out at the same time as Longstaff was ready if you're going down the speculative route. Particularly as the only evidence we have is that Rafa had brought him into the first team when there were still other experienced midfielders available. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
joeyt Posted April 11, 2019 Share Posted April 11, 2019 I don't think they're mutually exclusive. He can improve players while also get them playing well in his system Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Conjo Posted April 11, 2019 Share Posted April 11, 2019 Besides Colback which he fell out with and Saivet that none of our managers have ever rated, what other more experienced central midfielders was he favored ahead of before the Blackburn/Chelsea matches? What makes you assume he would have gotten a chance if all of our central midfielders were fit and not on international duty? As I said a few posts above, Benitez himself said Longstaff was lucky to get a chance due to injuries Go watch his post match interview after the Burnley match. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest firetotheworks Posted April 11, 2019 Share Posted April 11, 2019 Besides Colback which he fell out with and Saivet that none of our managers have ever rated, what other more experienced central midfielders was he favored ahead of before the Blackburn/Chelsea matches? What makes you assume he would have gotten a chance if all of our central midfielders were fit and not on international duty? As I said a few posts above, Benitez himself said Longstaff was lucky to get a chance due to injuries Go watch his post match interview after the Burnley match. But you were talking about Rafa being lucky, not Longstaff. He can be lucky to get the opportunity without Rafa being lucky that it worked out. If Rafa was lucky then he was lucky in the sense that he kept him from going out on loan and put him in the first team because he saw something in him and then started him when he could have changed formation back to 4231 and brought in Kenedy, Murphy, Muto, or put Ritchie and/or Perez in midfield. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nemtizz Posted April 11, 2019 Share Posted April 11, 2019 Wasn't he also given a new contract before he started featuring regularly? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Conjo Posted April 11, 2019 Share Posted April 11, 2019 Besides Colback which he fell out with and Saivet that none of our managers have ever rated, what other more experienced central midfielders was he favored ahead of before the Blackburn/Chelsea matches? What makes you assume he would have gotten a chance if all of our central midfielders were fit and not on international duty? As I said a few posts above, Benitez himself said Longstaff was lucky to get a chance due to injuries Go watch his post match interview after the Burnley match. But you were talking about Rafa being lucky, not Longstaff. He can be lucky to get the opportunity without Rafa being lucky that it worked out. If Rafa was lucky then he was lucky in the sense that he kept him from going out on loan and put him in the first team because he saw something in him and then started him when he could have changed formation back to 4231 and brought in Kenedy, Murphy, Muto, or put Ritchie and/or Perez in midfield. Longstaff was lucky to get a chance, and Rafa got lucky that Longstaff turned out to be our best central midfielder. Many talents have emerged due to luck, and many talents have been squandered due to bad luck. If Rafa knew that he was our best midfielder, surely he'd be playing earlier same way as f.ex Almiron went straight into the side when he arrived. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest firetotheworks Posted April 11, 2019 Share Posted April 11, 2019 Besides Colback which he fell out with and Saivet that none of our managers have ever rated, what other more experienced central midfielders was he favored ahead of before the Blackburn/Chelsea matches? What makes you assume he would have gotten a chance if all of our central midfielders were fit and not on international duty? As I said a few posts above, Benitez himself said Longstaff was lucky to get a chance due to injuries Go watch his post match interview after the Burnley match. But you were talking about Rafa being lucky, not Longstaff. He can be lucky to get the opportunity without Rafa being lucky that it worked out. If Rafa was lucky then he was lucky in the sense that he kept him from going out on loan and put him in the first team because he saw something in him and then started him when he could have changed formation back to 4231 and brought in Kenedy, Murphy, Muto, or put Ritchie and/or Perez in midfield. Longstaff was lucky to get a chance, and Rafa got lucky that Longstaff turned out to be our best central midfielder. Many talents have emerged due to luck, and many talents have been squandered due to bad luck. If Rafa knew that he was our best midfielder, surely he'd be playing earlier same way as f.ex Almiron went straight into the side when he arrived. I don't think he's our best midfielder (not based on 9 games anyway), so I'm not sure where to go from here Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Conjo Posted April 11, 2019 Share Posted April 11, 2019 Should have put "based on the games he did play" but that's a whole other discussion I'm not devoting time to so let's just end it on that note Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
xLiaaamx Posted April 11, 2019 Share Posted April 11, 2019 Everyone got lucky. This board aswell constantly agreed with the mantra though. Plenty suggested you can't give a young striker a go ahead of Joselu because it's too big a step up. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paully Posted April 29, 2019 Share Posted April 29, 2019 Class! https://www.nufc.co.uk/news/latest-news/a-great-experience-sean-longstaff-watches-magpies-game-with-fans-in-canada Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Conjo Posted April 29, 2019 Share Posted April 29, 2019 Please come back better and hungrier and claim the midfield spot as yours next season. Only got to see 2-3 games where he played this season, but looks like he has the tools and seemingly the attitude to become something really special for this club. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toon No9 Posted April 30, 2019 Share Posted April 30, 2019 Future captain!!! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kanji Posted May 1, 2019 Share Posted May 1, 2019 Please come back better and hungrier and claim the midfield spot as yours next season. Only got to see 2-3 games where he played this season, but looks like he has the tools and seemingly the attitude to become something really special for this club. 100%. He was basically one of our best players when he had that run in the team, and think we'd be a few places higher up the table had he stayed fit. Also fuck Snodgrass man! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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LV Posted May 17, 2019 Share Posted May 17, 2019 Horseshit Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest chopey Posted May 17, 2019 Share Posted May 17, 2019 New contract incoming.......... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stifler Posted May 17, 2019 Share Posted May 17, 2019 Not a chance Man Utd would be interested in him, and if they were after a player like him then they would go for Rice who West Ham have pretty much confirmed is for sale. Player contract renewals are postponed until Rafa’s situation is clear, including Longstaff’s. SSN just trying to make a story out of it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TBG Posted May 17, 2019 Share Posted May 17, 2019 Straight swap for Pogba and Shaw or fuck off. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
La Parka Posted May 17, 2019 Share Posted May 17, 2019 Seems those Carrick comparisons were apt. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
La Parka Posted May 17, 2019 Share Posted May 17, 2019 It's like Haman all over again. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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