AyeDubbleYoo Posted September 20, 2020 Share Posted September 20, 2020 Ludicrous decision again, they have to do something about that. Best bet in the box is aim for someone’s hand. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Optimistic Nut Posted September 20, 2020 Share Posted September 20, 2020 After 3 games of 7 goals and 1 with 3, just as well Newcastle v Brighton are here to bring down that average. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiresias Posted September 20, 2020 Share Posted September 20, 2020 Ignoring the actual wording of the rule, and setting aside the difficulty of making a rule to suit, penalties should punish using your hands to stop a goal or gain a significant advantage to discourage that. Penalties are waaaaaaay too severe a punishment for balls pinballing off arms randomly to no benefit to anyone. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
midds Posted September 20, 2020 Share Posted September 20, 2020 Blame the people who write the laws of the game tbh. They need to clarify the difference between real handball and false handball calls like that. The refs have little room for manoeuvre, they've got to give it and I bet the majority of them think it's bullshit too. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiresias Posted September 20, 2020 Share Posted September 20, 2020 Yep. It may be difficult to write a rule that makes sense around intent, but even as a stopgap how about unless the handball prevents a clear goal it is an indirect free kick in the box, then just work out a proper handball law while that stops all these silly pens Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted September 20, 2020 Share Posted September 20, 2020 Do they have to give it? The guy wasn’t making himself deliberately bigger and his arm wasn’t in an unnatural position either. Doesn’t make any sense. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KaKa Posted September 20, 2020 Share Posted September 20, 2020 Nice to see Spurs warming up before playing us next. Should be fun I predict we'll have 10 men in the box for that one. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happinesstan Posted September 20, 2020 Share Posted September 20, 2020 After 3 games of 7 goals and 1 with 3, just as well Newcastle v Brighton are here to bring down that average. The training ground atmosphere is creating this. The records for this season are going to be insane. Think there will be an awful lot of players that have deceptively good seasons. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
joeyt Posted September 20, 2020 Share Posted September 20, 2020 Nice to see Spurs warming up before playing us next. Should be fun I predict we'll have 10 men in the box for that one. Got a trip to Macedonia mid week which may help Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Cheesy Beans Posted September 20, 2020 Share Posted September 20, 2020 Blame the people who write the laws of the game tbh. They need to clarify the difference between real handball and false handball calls like that. The refs have little room for manoeuvre, they've got to give it and I bet the majority of them think it's bullshit too. That’s not true at all like - handball (for a defending team) is one of the clearest and easiest rules to interpret. It clearly defines handball offence as needing to be deliberate. Unless a player’s hand/arm is moved into the ball (rather than the other way round), it’s never a penalty. The attacking teams/goals disallowed is a load of bollocks mind. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LFEE Posted September 20, 2020 Share Posted September 20, 2020 Blame the people who write the laws of the game tbh. They need to clarify the difference between real handball and false handball calls like that. The refs have little room for manoeuvre, they've got to give it and I bet the majority of them think it's bullshit too. That’s not true at all like - handball (for a defending team) is one of the clearest and easiest rules to interpret. It clearly defines handball offence as needing to be deliberate. Unless a player’s hand/arm is moved into the ball (rather than the other way round), it’s never a penalty. The attacking teams/goals disallowed is a load of bollocks mind. Yeah. I’ve always known it as ball to hand or hand to ball. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
midds Posted September 20, 2020 Share Posted September 20, 2020 Blame the people who write the laws of the game tbh. They need to clarify the difference between real handball and false handball calls like that. The refs have little room for manoeuvre, they've got to give it and I bet the majority of them think it's bullshit too. That’s not true at all like - handball (for a defending team) is one of the clearest and easiest rules to interpret. It clearly defines handball offence as needing to be deliberate. Unless a player’s hand/arm is moved into the ball (rather than the other way round), it’s never a penalty. The attacking teams/goals disallowed is a load of bollocks mind. Yeah. I’ve always known it as ball to hand or hand to ball. I thought it changed a year or so ago so any defending touch on the ball had to be a pen? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pata Posted September 20, 2020 Share Posted September 20, 2020 Ignoring the actual wording of the rule, and setting aside the difficulty of making a rule to suit, penalties should punish using your hands to stop a goal or gain a significant advantage to discourage that. Penalties are waaaaaaay too severe a punishment for balls pinballing off arms randomly to no benefit to anyone. I honestly think the indirect freekick is the only solution unless it's Suarez-style goalkeeping. As you said, getting a goal due to a random bounce in a sport where games regularly end 1-0 is just stupid. It's never going to happen though as Liverpool won Spurs in the CL final after a random bounce and no one said anything. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
geordie_b Posted September 20, 2020 Share Posted September 20, 2020 Ignoring the actual wording of the rule, and setting aside the difficulty of making a rule to suit, penalties should punish using your hands to stop a goal or gain a significant advantage to discourage that. Penalties are waaaaaaay too severe a punishment for balls pinballing off arms randomly to no benefit to anyone. I honestly think the indirect freekick is the only solution unless it's Suarez-style goalkeeping. As you said, getting a goal due to a random bounce in a sport where games regularly end 1-0 is just stupid. It's never going to happen though as Liverpool won Spurs in the CL final after a random bounce and no one said anything. Being saying for years that the rule is easily fixed. Did they gain an advantage from the handball? Yes, then its a pen/freekick, removes any argument about intent or natural positions etc Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Cheesy Beans Posted September 20, 2020 Share Posted September 20, 2020 Blame the people who write the laws of the game tbh. They need to clarify the difference between real handball and false handball calls like that. The refs have little room for manoeuvre, they've got to give it and I bet the majority of them think it's bullshit too. That’s not true at all like - handball (for a defending team) is one of the clearest and easiest rules to interpret. It clearly defines handball offence as needing to be deliberate. Unless a player’s hand/arm is moved into the ball (rather than the other way round), it’s never a penalty. The attacking teams/goals disallowed is a load of bollocks mind. Yeah. I’ve always known it as ball to hand or hand to ball. I thought it changed a year or so ago so any defending touch on the ball had to be a pen? Having just re-read the IFAB rules... This is apparently the law in question: touches the ball with their hand/arm when: • the hand/arm has made their body unnaturally bigger • the hand/arm is above/beyond their shoulder level (unless the player deliberately plays the ball which then touches their hand/arm) Therefore now (because of VAR), if the ball ever touches your hand/arm and it’s even a cm away from your body, it’ll be a pen. Because it’s impossible not to make your body unnaturally bigger as soon as your arm moves away from it As someone said, just kick the ball into someone’s hand, it’s an immediate pen unless they have their arm alongside their body. At least it makes/keeps VAR relevant - the important thing. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted September 20, 2020 Share Posted September 20, 2020 It’s not unnatural for your arm to be away from your body though, you’re playing a sport. It’s more unnatural to have your hands behind your back. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Cheesy Beans Posted September 20, 2020 Share Posted September 20, 2020 The second bullet point should run alongside the first. I.e, it’s only unnatural if your arm is above shoulder height. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
midds Posted September 20, 2020 Share Posted September 20, 2020 Blame the people who write the laws of the game tbh. They need to clarify the difference between real handball and false handball calls like that. The refs have little room for manoeuvre, they've got to give it and I bet the majority of them think it's bullshit too. That’s not true at all like - handball (for a defending team) is one of the clearest and easiest rules to interpret. It clearly defines handball offence as needing to be deliberate. Unless a player’s hand/arm is moved into the ball (rather than the other way round), it’s never a penalty. The attacking teams/goals disallowed is a load of bollocks mind. Yeah. I’ve always known it as ball to hand or hand to ball. I thought it changed a year or so ago so any defending touch on the ball had to be a pen? Having just re-read the IFAB rules... This is apparently the law in question: touches the ball with their hand/arm when: • the hand/arm has made their body unnaturally bigger • the hand/arm is above/beyond their shoulder level (unless the player deliberately plays the ball which then touches their hand/arm) Therefore now (because of VAR), if the ball ever touches your hand/arm and it’s even a cm away from your body, it’ll be a pen. Because it’s impossible not to make your body unnaturally bigger as soon as your arm moves away from it As someone said, just kick the ball into someone’s hand, it’s an immediate pen unless they have their arm alongside their body. At least it makes/keeps VAR relevant - the important thing. That's what I thought originally It's a farce like. Giving a team a free shot at goal from 12 yards (75% chance of a goal iirc) for incidental contact with a hand or an arm is ridiculous like. Completely disproportionate if it's accidental. The law needs changing. Again. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Cheesy Beans Posted September 20, 2020 Share Posted September 20, 2020 Blame the people who write the laws of the game tbh. They need to clarify the difference between real handball and false handball calls like that. The refs have little room for manoeuvre, they've got to give it and I bet the majority of them think it's bullshit too. That’s not true at all like - handball (for a defending team) is one of the clearest and easiest rules to interpret. It clearly defines handball offence as needing to be deliberate. Unless a player’s hand/arm is moved into the ball (rather than the other way round), it’s never a penalty. The attacking teams/goals disallowed is a load of bollocks mind. Yeah. I’ve always known it as ball to hand or hand to ball. I thought it changed a year or so ago so any defending touch on the ball had to be a pen? Having just re-read the IFAB rules... This is apparently the law in question: touches the ball with their hand/arm when: • the hand/arm has made their body unnaturally bigger • the hand/arm is above/beyond their shoulder level (unless the player deliberately plays the ball which then touches their hand/arm) Therefore now (because of VAR), if the ball ever touches your hand/arm and it’s even a cm away from your body, it’ll be a pen. Because it’s impossible not to make your body unnaturally bigger as soon as your arm moves away from it As someone said, just kick the ball into someone’s hand, it’s an immediate pen unless they have their arm alongside their body. At least it makes/keeps VAR relevant - the important thing. That's what I thought originally It's a farce like. Giving a team a free shot at goal from 12 yards (75% chance of a goal iirc) for incidental contact with a hand or an arm is ridiculous like. Completely disproportionate if it's accidental. The law needs changing. Again. Made my fury worse now, wish I never looked. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lenny Posted September 20, 2020 Share Posted September 20, 2020 So many goals in the PL this weekend. Our match is obviously going to spoil that. O ye, of little faith. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Optimistic Nut Posted September 20, 2020 Share Posted September 20, 2020 Goals galore this weekend and we’re the only team not to join the party. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
thomas Posted September 20, 2020 Share Posted September 20, 2020 Chelsea and Liverpool look like it's being played at 1.25x compared to the slothlike pace we displayed Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KaKa Posted September 20, 2020 Share Posted September 20, 2020 Can you imagine what these two are going to do to us? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
joeyt Posted September 20, 2020 Share Posted September 20, 2020 Terrible game Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tsunami Posted September 20, 2020 Share Posted September 20, 2020 That’s a red Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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