Fantail Breeze Posted February 5, 2021 Share Posted February 5, 2021 After watching all the 4-4 videos today, I think I hate Bruce now more than Pardew We had a few highs under Pardew. Obviously there's the 4-4, the 5th place finish, the Europa League run, quite a few surprising one off wins, beating Man Utd at Old Trafford for the first time in 41 years, but with Bruce there's nowt. It's just been an absolute shitfest, and amazingly it's getting worse. The only slight positive for Bruce v Pardew is that we haven’t been spanked as many times as we were under Pardew. Under Bruce we’re so dogshit awful we often pull teams down to our level. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Abra Dubravka Posted February 5, 2021 Share Posted February 5, 2021 After watching all the 4-4 videos today, I think I hate Bruce now more than Pardew We had a few highs under Pardew. Obviously there's the 4-4, the 5th place finish, the Europa League run, quite a few surprising one off wins, beating Man Utd at Old Trafford for the first time in 41 years, but with Bruce there's nowt. It's just been an absolute shitfest, and amazingly it's getting worse. I liked a lot more of the players back then in Pardew's teams. Had likes of Cabaye, Hatem and Ba not toss pots like Shelvey, Joe and Carroll. Helps to overshadow a lot of Pardew's indiscretions. Even had a soft spot for Santon even though he was forever wasted on that left side, now watching Lewis fail at life for 90mins just frustrates me. Also, time is a healer - and we're a few years on and Twitter world, 24 hour coverage is even greater not sure how we'd really deal with ourselves having Pardew get us dicked ten games on the spin and concede 4+ everywhere we went. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yorkie Posted February 5, 2021 Share Posted February 5, 2021 Realise I'm just repeating myself but feel so strongly about people needing to remember just how fucking evil and damaging Pardew was. There honestly wouldn't even be a Bruce if it weren't for Pardew. Bruce is absolutely horrendous - seriously seriously awful and I loathe the fact he represents the thing I love more than just about anything - but Pards, man, Pards... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fantail Breeze Posted February 5, 2021 Share Posted February 5, 2021 Realise I'm just repeating myself but feel so strongly about people needing to remember just how f***ing evil and damaging Pardew was. There honestly wouldn't even be a Bruce if it weren't for Pardew. Bruce is absolutely horrendous - seriously seriously awful and I loathe the fact he represents the thing I love more than just about anything - but Pards, man, Pards... Really? MA has shown way before Pardew, he’ll appoint idiot after idiot after idiot. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted February 5, 2021 Share Posted February 5, 2021 Pardew showed that appointing an idiot can work I guess. But you do have to give him a much better squad. Whether Ashley cares about that, who knows. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Abra Dubravka Posted February 5, 2021 Share Posted February 5, 2021 Think Pards had a different sort of tactical uselessness. Don't think Bruce would have ever got such a tune out of successes we saw in those years. Whilst Cabaye was the brilliant in spite of Pardew managing and coaching him, seem to think him playing in the Bruceball we've seen last 18months he'd have been dragged down to Bruce's level. Pardew at times actually had a 'lets play' approach, often to the detriment - whilst Bruce says that through genuinely being incompetent and out of touch with coaching. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wallsendmag Posted February 5, 2021 Share Posted February 5, 2021 Realise I'm just repeating myself but feel so strongly about people needing to remember just how fucking evil and damaging Pardew was. There honestly wouldn't even be a Bruce if it weren't for Pardew. Bruce is absolutely horrendous - seriously seriously awful and I loathe the fact he represents the thing I love more than just about anything - but Pards, man, Pards... How do you come to that conclusion? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yorkie Posted February 5, 2021 Share Posted February 5, 2021 I'm hesitant to explain in detail cos I have on here several times before and certain folks are doubtless sick of reading the same thing, but, in a nutshell, Pardew taught Ashley that it wasn't worth competing. By May 2013 we were cooked as a sporting institution under Ashley. We've never recovered from the damage Pardew caused; Bruce is just a symptom of what we became in that period. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Prophet Posted February 5, 2021 Share Posted February 5, 2021 It was the Pardew/Ashley combination that destroyed my passion and enthusiasm for the club. It's never really recovered, even under Benitez. For that, I'll always hate the cunt. Bruce is in many ways worse, but the club has just become a parody of itself now. It's almost funny. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fantail Breeze Posted February 5, 2021 Share Posted February 5, 2021 I'm hesitant to explain in detail cos I have on here several times before and certain folks are doubtless sick of reading the same thing, but, in a nutshell, Pardew taught Ashley that it wasn't worth competing. By May 2013 we were cooked as a sporting institution under Ashley. We've never recovered from the damage Pardew caused; Bruce is just a symptom of what we became in that period. Mike Ashley never had any intention of competing. Certainly not after Keegan walked out of the door. If anything it was that point which taught Ashley anything - hire people who won’t question anything or expect anything from their role. We hired Joe Kinnear ffs. You’ve got no interest in being a football club at that point. Pardew was just another yes man in the line of yes men. Bruce would 100% still be at this club, regardless of Pardew. Because he’s a pathetic little patsy and that’s the only person Ashley wants in charge. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted February 5, 2021 Share Posted February 5, 2021 I’ve never disliked any involved in football as much as Bruce. Everything about him. Wish he’d just resign. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Abra Dubravka Posted February 5, 2021 Share Posted February 5, 2021 Think Llambias is more to blame for that time than Pardew, he was responsible for only bringing in Anita that summer thus not capitalising on Pardew lucking out to 5th place. Invest from that position of strength, and we'd have generated revenue and elevated the club stature to back where it was at least post Robson. Pardew would have surely wanted reinforcements, but whatever objections he would have raised fell to death ears; although he wasn't in a position to be demanding anyway. Llambias had his whole 'purple' debacle, which inevitably saw Demba Ba leave on a pittance instead of getting his deal sorted before it came to a head. He had brought Cisse in, so saw Ba as expendable. He also ripped apart that dressing room that got us promoted, of which we've never really recovered; he was quick to shift Carroll out instead of giving him a deal he would have signed. Not to mention failing to sign any of the numerous talents Carr spotted and put on a plate for him - Remy, PEA, Varane off top of my head. Can blame Pards for many and much, but Llambias in my eyes is the real devil that's paved our current misery. He's the c*** that's responsible for the model of sporting direction we've had for the past 10 years, which defacto sees the dross we watch on match day. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Numbers Posted February 5, 2021 Share Posted February 5, 2021 Fat Pig fuck off, you're useless. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fantail Breeze Posted February 5, 2021 Share Posted February 5, 2021 Fat Pig f*** off, you're useless. Abra is alright man. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Numbers Posted February 5, 2021 Share Posted February 5, 2021 Fat Pig f*** off, you're useless. Abra is alright man. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Prophet Posted February 5, 2021 Share Posted February 5, 2021 You're being too kind to Pardew there. He set the tone for lowering the standards across the club as a whole. He had fans believing finishing just about outside the relegation zone every season was acceptable. He'd try to flog players in press conferences and shamelessly promote Ashley's way of doing things. He got by on one good season. He nearly got an unbelievably good side relegated the next and went on one of our longest losing streaks the next. He was a cunt to boot too, all while the media would tell us how lucky we were to have him. Some things never change ey. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Abra Dubravka Posted February 5, 2021 Share Posted February 5, 2021 You're being too kind to Pardew there. He set the tone for lowering the standards across the club as a whole. He had fans believing finishing just about outside the relegation zone every season was acceptable. He'd try to flog players in press conferences and shamelessly promote Ashley's way of doing things. He got by on one good season. He nearly got an unbelievably good side relegated the next and went on one of our longest losing streaks the next. He was a c*** to boot too, all while the media would tell us how lucky we were to have him. Some things never change ey. Oh aye, not blind to Pardew's part in this fine mess. But Pardew was Ashley's prime choice and by extension Llambias' man. Like Bruce, he was forced to sign a deal with the devil. Bruce thrown a bone from bombing out at Villa, never to get a sniff at PL again; Pardew from League 1. Pardew was all Llmbias' doing. Bonus sheet fiasco resulted in Hughton's premature sacking. Carroll was seen as a marked man for his part in it, so there was a refusal to give Carroll a better deal, rather send him packing to Liverpool on Mike's chopper at first sniff of the money. Nolan and Barton paid to leave on free despite being important first teamers, Barton coming off the back of his best season. Everything we're seeing now can likely be traced back to a blueprint and president set by Llambias. We only ever were in the need for Pardew due to Llambias' running of the club and decisions that impacted management/players and Hughton's sacking, and thus with no Pardew we'd never have had Bruce. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nufcjb Posted February 5, 2021 Share Posted February 5, 2021 Bruce is worse than Pardew for me as a manager. I'm not even talking about what goes on the pitch and results yet but Bruce, with his press conferences ever since he stepped foot in the club, has just been embarrassing. And we're not the only ones who have gone through his atrocious way of managing the club. Villa fans, Hull fans, even the mackems lot down the road will agree with us how bad Bruce is. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Posted February 5, 2021 Share Posted February 5, 2021 Forgot the Mick’s were big on Brucey. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mofo Posted February 5, 2021 Share Posted February 5, 2021 Forgot the Mick’s were big on Brucey. Wow 10 year's! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Candi_Hills Posted February 6, 2021 Share Posted February 6, 2021 It was my understanding that the mackems quite liked Bruce. He delivered a mid-table finish (a major achievement for them) and helped to assemble their greatest squad in living memory. There's no denying that Bruce-era Sunderland had some admirably average footballers: Andy Reid, Jordan Henderson, Keiran Richardson, Simon Mingealot, Steed Malbranque, Darren Bent, Zenden and Sessegnon. That side was far superior to Peytar Reyd's gallacticos. FTM Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
CalmintheChaos Posted February 6, 2021 Share Posted February 6, 2021 Realise I'm just repeating myself but feel so strongly about people needing to remember just how f***ing evil and damaging Pardew was. There honestly wouldn't even be a Bruce if it weren't for Pardew. Bruce is absolutely horrendous - seriously seriously awful and I loathe the fact he represents the thing I love more than just about anything - but Pards, man, Pards... I usually like your posts but sorry that is rubbish for me like. Pardew was levels above this fat mess we have now and also Pardew never claimed to be “one of us” either. There was a lot of good football and we used to score a fair few goals too. 5th place and a 10th place. European quarter final and also we were in the top half when he left us mid season too. Also he generally talked the club up rather than put it down all the time I remember him coming out and rightly saying we are a bigger club than Everton for example. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Posted February 6, 2021 Share Posted February 6, 2021 Realise I'm just repeating myself but feel so strongly about people needing to remember just how f***ing evil and damaging Pardew was. There honestly wouldn't even be a Bruce if it weren't for Pardew. Bruce is absolutely horrendous - seriously seriously awful and I loathe the fact he represents the thing I love more than just about anything - but Pards, man, Pards... I usually like your posts but sorry that is rubbish for me like. Pardew was levels above this fat mess we have now and also Pardew never claimed to be “one of us” either. There was a lot of good football and we used to score a fair few goals too. 5th place and a 10th place. European quarter final and also we were in the top half when he left us mid season too. Also he generally talked the club up rather than put it down all the time I remember him coming out and rightly saying we are a bigger club than Everton for example. Absolute and unmitigated horseshite. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wallsendmag Posted February 6, 2021 Share Posted February 6, 2021 Realise I'm just repeating myself but feel so strongly about people needing to remember just how f***ing evil and damaging Pardew was. There honestly wouldn't even be a Bruce if it weren't for Pardew. Bruce is absolutely horrendous - seriously seriously awful and I loathe the fact he represents the thing I love more than just about anything - but Pards, man, Pards... I usually like your posts but sorry that is rubbish for me like. Pardew was levels above this fat mess we have now and also Pardew never claimed to be “one of us” either. There was a lot of good football and we used to score a fair few goals too. 5th place and a 10th place. European quarter final and also we were in the top half when he left us mid season too. Also he generally talked the club up rather than put it down all the time I remember him coming out and rightly saying we are a bigger club than Everton for example. Absolute and unmitigated horseshite. Nah there was, especially during that 5th placed finish season and we had that spell when Cisse, Ba, and Ben Arfa were virtually unplayable with Cabaye pulling the strings behind them and Coloccini different class at the back. That season alone games at home to Blackburn, Stoke home and away (they were a tough team to beat back then), Man Utd home and away, West Brom away, Liverpool home, Chelsea away were all excellent performances and showed we could go up against the bigger clubs and give them a game. I really enjoyed a lot of the football we played that season. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yorkie Posted February 6, 2021 Share Posted February 6, 2021 Realise I'm just repeating myself but feel so strongly about people needing to remember just how f***ing evil and damaging Pardew was. There honestly wouldn't even be a Bruce if it weren't for Pardew. Bruce is absolutely horrendous - seriously seriously awful and I loathe the fact he represents the thing I love more than just about anything - but Pards, man, Pards... I usually like your posts but sorry that is rubbish for me like. Pardew was levels above this fat mess we have now and also Pardew never claimed to be “one of us” either. There was a lot of good football and we used to score a fair few goals too. 5th place and a 10th place. European quarter final and also we were in the top half when he left us mid season too. Also he generally talked the club up rather than put it down all the time I remember him coming out and rightly saying we are a bigger club than Everton for example. Honestly dunno if I have the energy for this argument. I feel like I had it every day for about two years and I'm very pleased that it's in the distant past. What the hell... The 5th season was fun but, with hindsight, had fuck all to do with Pardew and everything to do with the talent on the pitch - and any joy there became irrelevant very fucking quickly, as Pardew went on to completely destroy the prospect of us ever competing. He convinced Ashley that the top half was a very dangerous place to be, on account of the 'threat' of a Europa League campaign and the associated unavoidable relegation battle. When in reality, of course, it was just his own incompetence that made that 2012/13 season so dismal. But as far as Ashley was concerned, that was it. No more Cisses in January, no more trying to get among the big boys. We'll take lower mid-table, thanks, because that's the least dangerous way to manage my investment. I find your comment about Pardew supposedly talking us up absolutely staggering tbh. There is an anthology of bullshit quotes out there (I know because I helped compile them back in the day!) in which he talked us down and made us out to be some poxy little club who had no right competing with the likes of Southampton and Swansea. Other than Ashley himself, no one is more responsible for our malaise than Alan Pardew. His legacy is so strong that even a Champions League winner like Benitez could convince Ashley that it was worth trying to be decent. He set the tone and he very happily carried Ashley's torch every step of the way, all the while casting sly digs at the supporters. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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