Fak Posted January 19 Share Posted January 19 Please do not drop Joelinton for Lewis Miley. Please do not drop Joelinton. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nufcjmc Posted January 19 Share Posted January 19 46 minutes ago, Rich said: Individually, he's had about five really good games this season out of 27, and almost as many stinkers, though I do appreciate he's often doing a load tactically for the team that negates his direct output. Still, I'd argue that across the season he's been average compared to the heights he's reached previously since the positional switch. Not making excuses for him but he's still got that shoulder strapping, played probably too many minutes and then we use him as our Swiss army knife of versatility. He's been central, more advanced central, left wing, right wing and extra man in defence. He's probably the weak link of the three because the other two are just so good. Even yesterday trying to hold the ball up with 3 players on him is a skill we would miss in certain games his shooting is atrocious at times that's two games in a row it's fallen to him to hit the sky but he does offer us alot. As he gets older and continues to pick up bookings we have to get used to rotating him out for certain games the squad development and depth just isn't there yet despite the number of midfielders on our books no one does what big joe does. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wyn davies Posted January 19 Share Posted January 19 15 minutes ago, nufcjmc said: Not making excuses for him but he's still got that shoulder strapping, played probably too many minutes and then we use him as our Swiss army knife of versatility. He's been central, more advanced central, left wing, right wing and extra man in defence. He's probably the weak link of the three because the other two are just so good. Even yesterday trying to hold the ball up with 3 players on him is a skill we would miss in certain games his shooting is atrocious at times that's two games in a row it's fallen to him to hit the sky but he does offer us alot. As he gets older and continues to pick up bookings we have to get used to rotating him out for certain games the squad development and depth just isn't there yet despite the number of midfielders on our books no one does what big joe does. Perhaps he e shouldn't of played then and Miley should of been on from the start. Willock wise very poor I thought. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted January 19 Share Posted January 19 2 hours ago, Rich said: It’s getting close to the point where Miley should be given a shot there, for me. Joe does clearly have talismanic qualities and is held in the highest regard by his teammates, but Miley looks like he can offer what he does and more in terms of output. I don't think Miley could offer anything like Joelinton's combative output, or the same attacking threat when drifting wide left. Miley seems more of a Bruno alternative to me, far more effective central. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pearljam10 Posted January 19 Share Posted January 19 Swap deal with Anderson in the summer Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lush Vlad Posted January 19 Share Posted January 19 1 hour ago, Fak said: Please do not drop Joelinton for Lewis Miley. Please do not drop Joelinton. Why would it be him being dropped? ‘Different games. Different needs.’ Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zero Posted January 19 Share Posted January 19 Joe is a beast but he doesn’t have the stamina and natural fitness to perform at his best consistently. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mighty__mag Posted January 19 Share Posted January 19 3 hours ago, Zero said: Joe is a beast but he doesn’t have the stamina and natural fitness to perform at his best consistently. Jesus Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
huss9 Posted January 19 Share Posted January 19 7 hours ago, Zero said: Joe is a beast but he doesn’t have the stamina and natural fitness to perform at his best consistently. I think he has both. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nemtizz Posted January 19 Share Posted January 19 Literally his main asset. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted January 19 Share Posted January 19 I think we need him in some games and he’s obsolete in others. I don’t think that’s changed. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBrownBottle Posted January 20 Share Posted January 20 9 hours ago, Zero said: Joe is a beast but he doesn’t have the stamina and natural fitness to perform at his best consistently. I'd say they're his strengths; for me, it is his technique which is his greatest weakness. I still think he looked much better further forward, and he isn't a particularly great midfielder. Love him as a marauding, muscular LW provided he has support from LCM and LB - the problem is we're well stocked at LW. From a PSR perspective, he'd be on my the list of preferences to cash in on this summer as he'd fetch a tidy sum and his original fee has been considerably amortised (without PSR I wouldn't countenance it). I totally understand if folks are upset by that - who doesn't love big Joe? - but in terms of going forwards, if Howe is to carry on with his 4-3-3 I think we could find a better fit at LCM and also open up headroom to invest elsewhere. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zero Posted January 20 Share Posted January 20 2 hours ago, huss9 said: I think he has both. That couldn’t explain why he is that inconsistent among matches. It is not just technique. He simply looks like off the pace. Thats not just technical issues. Being able to boss 90mins in one game doesn’t mean his body is naturally excellent at recovering his stamina in time and boss another 90 mins. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zero Posted January 20 Share Posted January 20 8 minutes ago, TheBrownBottle said: I'd say they're his strengths; for me, it is his technique which is his greatest weakness. I still think he looked much better further forward, and he isn't a particularly great midfielder. Love him as a marauding, muscular LW provided he has support from LCM and LB - the problem is we're well stocked at LW. From a PSR perspective, he'd be on my the list of preferences to cash in on this summer as he'd fetch a tidy sum and his original fee has been considerably amortised (without PSR I wouldn't countenance it). I totally understand if folks are upset by that - who doesn't love big Joe? - but in terms of going forwards, if Howe is to carry on with his 4-3-3 I think we could find a better fit at LCM and also open up headroom to invest elsewhere. I talked about that last summer already that we would regret not cashing in earlier, and given up Anderson / Minteh. Anyway we should also take note of his age, and remember he is a Brazilian. Most of the Brazilian players would regress at late 20s. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBrownBottle Posted January 20 Share Posted January 20 Just now, Zero said: I talked about that last summer already that we would regret not cashing in earlier Yeah, I agree - I would have also cashed in earlier (and advocated it at the time). His career turnaround with us is probably the most remarkable I've seen at the club, but I wouldn't let sentiment get in the way of driving the club forward. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBrownBottle Posted January 20 Share Posted January 20 I still hope he smashes in the League Cup-winning goal at Wembley and makes me eat my words re cashing in earlier Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zero Posted January 20 Share Posted January 20 37 minutes ago, TheBrownBottle said: I still hope he smashes in the League Cup-winning goal at Wembley and makes me eat my words re cashing in earlier Same. That would do it to me as well. That cup win would outweighs everything else. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Duper Branko Strupar Posted January 20 Share Posted January 20 13 hours ago, Rich said: Individually, he's had about five really good games this season out of 27, and almost as many stinkers, though I do appreciate he's often doing a load tactically for the team that negates his direct output. Still, I'd argue that across the season he's been average compared to the heights he's reached previously since the positional switch. The current Elliot Anderson would be fantastic competition for his place. As much as I adore the bloke. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boey_Jarton Posted January 20 Share Posted January 20 5 hours ago, Super Duper Branko Strupar said: The current Elliot Anderson would be fantastic competition for his place. As much as I adore the bloke. Particularly against the more technical teams where Joelinton's bulldozing can be less effective Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lush Vlad Posted January 20 Share Posted January 20 (edited) I know Howe isn’t the sort to look past the next game. Nor should he. But I do wonder if this Southampton game would be a good time to have Big Joe start on the bench? 8 yellows already and looks odds on for one every game. 2 more league games before that difficult, to say the least, run of City, Forest and Liverpool. If he missed any of those, I think we’d struggle even more in those. Forest to stop breakways and counters. The other 2 his off the ball work will be needed. I also think he does get spells where he starts to look a bit jaded. As he has regularly played through niggles and knocks since Howe came in. Plus when he is fit, he seems to always start every game. Edited January 20 by Lush Vlad Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zero Posted January 20 Share Posted January 20 Or start the next game and rest for the Fulham. I genuinely hope we have a fully fit Joe for the crucial Arsenal game. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted January 20 Share Posted January 20 2 hours ago, Boey_Jarton said: Particularly against the more technical teams where Joelinton's bulldozing can be less effective Not sure Elliott Anderson is any more technical tbh, I remember describing Anderson as a bulldozer last year. I always thought Anderson's best position was as an attacking central midfielder, and unless I'm mistaken, that's where he's playing for Forest. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lush Vlad Posted January 20 Share Posted January 20 8 minutes ago, TRon said: Not sure Elliott Anderson is any more technical tbh, I remember describing Anderson as a bulldozer last year. I always thought Anderson's best position was as an attacking central midfielder, and unless I'm mistaken, that's where he's playing for Forest. He was for a while and even had a couple of games wide in the 3, I believe? But I think he is usually in the 2 behind Elanga, Gibbs-White and Hudson-Odoi, now. I'm quite surprised he has done so well in that position. Looks really accomplished playing there for Forest and an all round player. I always thought he was a bit lacking when he played in our midfield and seemed positionless in Howe's team. Not that I wanted to sell him, of course and he has certainly kicked on now he is getting a run of regular games. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted January 20 Share Posted January 20 I thought we should've cashed in on Big Joe. Love the bloke though. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted January 20 Share Posted January 20 28 minutes ago, Lush Vlad said: He was for a while and even had a couple of games wide in the 3, I believe? But I think he is usually in the 2 behind Elanga, Gibbs-White and Hudson-Odoi, now. I'm quite surprised he has done so well in that position. Looks really accomplished playing there for Forest and an all round player. I always thought he was a bit lacking when he played in our midfield and seemed positionless in Howe's team. Not that I wanted to sell him, of course and he has certainly kicked on now he is getting a run of regular games. I always thought he looked like he would be much better suited to playing centrally, but obviously at that stage of his career he wasn't going to find a place there for us. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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