Joelinton: will not play against Everton (Howe)

[Dunce]

A bit concerned sbout this guy now , i dont doubt he has some decent attributes , but as a striker he shows no anticipation whatsoever.

An important attribute for any succesful  striker in my book.

[ujpest doza]

I thought he was much better yesterday than in any other game this season, looked a lot better playing with Carroll as a partner.

 

He's not got enough aggression to be a goalscorer though.

 

[morla84]

It would be nice to get a striker in on loan in Jan to give us more flexibility up top. Obviously won't happen, but someone like Giroud who's not getting many minutes but knows where the goal is.

[KaKa]

With the way we play genuinely think we'd be better off just throwing one of our surplus of centre backs upfront, to just do the same as their used to at the back.

 

Or maybe we could sign Samba if he is on a free as he'd be used to that from his time under Big Sam.

[TRon]

A bit concerned sbout this guy now , i dont doubt he has some decent attributes , but as a striker he shows no anticipation whatsoever.

An important attribute for any succesful  striker in my book.

 

I'm far more concerned about the football we are producing, can't really see any striker getting goals from the stuff we produce. The goals are coming out of the blue generally, we don't look capable of fashioning a goal from good play.

[mrmojorisin75]

A bit concerned sbout this guy now , i dont doubt he has some decent attributes , but as a striker he shows no anticipation whatsoever.

An important attribute for any succesful  striker in my book.

 

I'm far more concerned about the football we are producing, can't really see any striker getting goals from the stuff we produce. The goals are coming out of the blue generally, we don't look capable of fashioning a goal from good play.

 

How are people not getting this?

[toon25]

A bit concerned sbout this guy now , i dont doubt he has some decent attributes , but as a striker he shows no anticipation whatsoever.

An important attribute for any succesful  striker in my book.

 

I'm far more concerned about the football we are producing, can't really see any striker getting goals from the stuff we produce. The goals are coming out of the blue generally, we don't look capable of fashioning a goal from good play.

 

Spot on.

[Dunce]

I wont disagree mate , but a top class striker (40mill) should be capable of making an impact regardless of the football.

Shearer , cole , cisse for eg would have 3 or 4  by now.

I blame the club personally , for the short sightedness , lack of footballing knowledge and inability of building a TEAM for football over commercial interests  and missing the point completely when it comes to fan expectation.

Nufc still exists for all the wrong reasons regardless of player or value

When will the remaining 40k+ fans see this?

 

 

 

[mrmojorisin75]

but a top class striker (40mill) should be capable of making an impact regardless of the football.

 

this is the crux of the issue, we've paid £40m but he's not a £40m player and never was, we need to get past it

 

imo he's another ASM/Almiron level gamble around the £20m mark that might come good, but a standard fee for a decent player these days and we couldn't complain yet at that price as he's 23 and new to the country

 

but we paid £40m

 

bent as fuck - i wonder in retrospect if ashley doesn't completely regret binning off the most bent manager in the game when he took over, could have been a marriage made in heaven that

[Sean]

But we know one of the reasons Rafa left was because he didn’t think he was worth £40m. He left and we bought him anyway.

 

That's not one of the reasons Rafa left though.

 

He felt the money could be spent better elsewhere. Same thing.

 

He left because there was no trust and no ambition and things were not being done right. The situation you describe is just one of hundreds of examples of this in action.

 

Given how hard he'd had to work to convince Ashley to spend £20m on Miggy, I'd suggest the prospect of seeing double that spunked on a player he didn't particularly rate when trying to strengthen a squad desperately short in several areas was a pretty big factor in Rafa deciding enough was enough.

 

Your just guessing now though. 

 

If they had bought him while Rafa was here then I can see the reasoning.

 

The fact is, Rafa would have seen the newspaper articles linking us to him, and would have known it was planted by Ashley and his people (he often did this shit to Rafa). So, yes it's a reason as much as 100 other things. The 'pretty big' factor was a lack of trust and ambition though, as Rafa has said himself.

[kingxlnc]

Actually probably his best game since joining, looked half decent in a few spells in the game, particularly first half.

[Andy]

Actually probably his best game since joining, looked half decent in a few spells in the game, particularly first half.

 

Some decent link-up play in the first half. Still doesn't ever look like scoring though.

[jackyboy]

He battles against his markers but never seems to find any space.  Compare that to the space that Salah creates for himself.

I just can't see any outstanding attributes that Joelinton might have that makes him worth £40 mill

[TRon]

Actually probably his best game since joining, looked half decent in a few spells in the game, particularly first half.

 

Agree, but noteably that was because we were playing the ball on the deck for most of the game yesterday. Unfortunately we gave away two goals trying to play the ball out so I expect we'll go back to long ball on Saturday.

[mighty__mag]

Riviere mk2

 

People went on about Mitrovic, he's a thousand times better than this lad.

[KaKa]

This guy has talent man, and the way things are going we are not going to get to enjoy it at all. Just such a massive shame.

 

Everyone feels we were too attacking yesterday, but IMO we should stick with that setup and really drill it into the players so it is more disciplined defensively.

 

It brought the best out of the big man. Set up Gayle beautifully early on and just a few moments later setup younger Longstaff for the goal.

 

He was getting to touch the ball more often early on with options around him and he was getting into it, but unfortunately the idiocy at the back ruined it all.

 

We have to find a way to keep people around him going forward. Really good things will come of it. The guy has some really interesting ability at his size.

 

This club is just so so frustrating.

[KaKa]

Actually probably his best game since joining, looked half decent in a few spells in the game, particularly first half.

 

Agree, but noteably that was because we were playing the ball on the deck for most of the game yesterday. Unfortunately we gave away two goals trying to play the ball out so I expect we'll go back to long ball on Saturday.

 

I think we can find a balance. Try to play it out, but not be quite so tied to it.

 

Even using some of the long balls we have used previously, wouldn't have looked quite as bad yesterday because there was someone alongside Joelinton this time that could work with him up there.

 

I really hope we try the same system with Hayden and Shelvey in there for the Longstaffs, but also then find a balance playing it out from the back,

[xLiaaamx]

Twice in the last two times they've played together, he's put it on a plate for Gayle only for Gayle to somehow get nowhere near the target. Absolutely baffling as that's the type of stuff Gayle usually thrives on.

[KaKa]

Gayle must have lost his mind. Yes, that chance in the other game was on a plate!

 

I wish we could see Muto up there with Joelinton. I've always liked Muto in his cameos. He's quick and really sharp. Hasn't got near enough chances and it's weird.

[xLiaaamx]

Not to mention he's done brilliant to set Longstaff up for the goal as well.

 

No one's going to look good without any players within 50 yards of them.

[KaKa]

Yes both he and Carroll have been way too isolated.

 

We have a decent number of strikers where we really should be using a pair up top, as we do not play well enough to just have one of them up there alone.

 

Even Saint-Maximin coming back and playing as a second striker would be very interesting as well.

[TRon]

Actually probably his best game since joining, looked half decent in a few spells in the game, particularly first half.

 

Agree, but noteably that was because we were playing the ball on the deck for most of the game yesterday. Unfortunately we gave away two goals trying to play the ball out so I expect we'll go back to long ball on Saturday.

 

I think we can find a balance. Try to play it out, but not be quite so tied to it.

 

Even using some of the long balls we have used previously, wouldn't have looked quite as bad yesterday because there was someone alongside Joelinton this time that could work with him up there.

 

I really hope we try the same system with Hayden and Shelvey in there for the Longstaffs, but also then find a balance playing it out from the back,

 

I think playing it out from the back is absolutely the way to go, and will definitely suit the type of players we have signed. We shouldn't let a bad day at the office change that. Schar and Longstaff aren't going to make mistakes like that every day of the week. By all means mix it up a bit, but in Maximin, Almiron, Muto and Joelinton, you have players who are going to look a lot better when you are passing the ball to feet rather than hoofing it in the air.

[KaKa]

Like I said we have to mix it up.

 

Under Bruce we will never be able to play it out from the back as a staple with any consistency.

 

He won't be able to drill into the players the necessary positioning and movement required.

[xLiaaamx]

We know Schar and Lejeune are good on the ball. They'll have bad days but we can trust them to be better than that most of the time.

[KaKa]

Yes, and they both play long passes well too, and so we should use that when the short options are risky.