Joelinton: will not play against Everton (Howe)

[WarrenBartonCentrePartin]

Just seen a tweet labelling him the “favela Altidore”. Might start using that.

[Guest]

The only explanation now is when joelinton was asked if he was a striker he replied in German and a confused Bruce gave him the hallowed shirt.

 

Decent.

[LoveItIfWeBeatU]

The whole transfer makes no sense. How come he cost a £40m transfer fee? Based on his career up to coming to Newcastle at least £25m of that fee could only be for 'future potential'. Who scouted him and thought he could play as a lone striker in the Premier League? How does he go from being a supporting player to the forwards for Hoffenheim to number 9 at Newcastle?

 

Based on what I've seen I couldn't tell you what his best position would be. Maybe as a number 10 behind the striker but we've got better options ahead of him for that role.

[Rocker]

Think he did alright when I flogged him on Football Manager. Went to Norwich and bagged between 8-12 goals a season before moving to Stoke in the twilight of his career.

 

[RS]

The only explanation now is when joelinton was asked if he was a striker he replied in German and a confused Bruce gave him the hallowed shirt.

 

Decent.

Thanks. I thought I may have needed a spoiler

[Lenny]

I feel that the biggest influence on his perceived lack of ability is that he looks like he just doesn't fancy it. He's clearly not putting in much effort and hasn't been for a long time, and whether or not he has the right to feel he was dealt a bad hand by signing for us is irrelevant; it's still down to him to deal with it. Where others would have chosen to play for themselves and put the effort in for the sake of their own career, he's chosen to give up and feel sorry for himself.

 

ASM signed to the same club at the same time, and approached the situation totally differently. There were large portions of the season where he was labelled as having no end product, so he was presented with the same options Joelinton was faced with, i.e. give up or keep going. He chose the latter and he's proved to be one of our most important players.

 

There was a period of play against Blackburn yesterday shortly after ASM had come in which he, at full sprint, chased the ball as it was passed continuously around their backline. At the risk of hyperbole (but you get the point) - he probably covered more ground in that sequence than Joelinton did in the entire half!

 

I suspect Joelinton could go to another club under circumstances he fancies, and we'll see a much improved player, however this is why I have little sympathy for him - he's not helped himself here.

 

If, of course, I am wrong and it's nothing to do with effort, then I can't see any other explanation than that he's just a poor player. The version of Joelinton we have doesn't have any considerable qualities to warrant even a place on the bench.

[huss9]

The whole transfer makes no sense. How come he cost a £40m transfer fee? Based on his career up to coming to Newcastle at least £25m of that fee could only be for 'future potential'. Who scouted him and thought he could play as a lone striker in the Premier League? How does he go from being a supporting player to the forwards for Hoffenheim to number 9 at Newcastle?

 

Based on what I've seen I couldn't tell you what his best position would be. Maybe as a number 10 behind the striker but we've got better options ahead of him for that role.

 

its bizarre.

rafa turns down a £40m striker - u think ashley would have been delighted, but then he does something even more bizarre and unheard of.... he puts in £20m of his own money to get it done.

 

there is a lot more to this transfer than meets the eye.

 

 

[geordiekris]

I just don’t see a role or a system we could play here where he would fit in.

[Kanj]

Want nothing more then Joelinton to be the next big thing and enjoy watching a 40m Brazilian attacker. But it’s never working here IMO. Under Bruce or whoever his successor would be. Joelinton doesn’t have the mentality to rise to the occasion and use his talent. Shame.

[Keggy_Keagal]

He's not up to it or up for it . He's languid, doesn't work for the team and has no feel for the position he's been signed to play. He was clean through against Blackburn twice last night one went straight at the keeper and the other he went down far too easily. Yes, it's bruceball and yes, the transfer is dodgy as (smells of when players were signed to do favours for agents) but based purely on the football this lad's had a full season here and looks completely lost and disinterested. 

[Raconteur]

Think he did alright when I flogged him on Football Manager. Went to Norwich and bagged between 8-12 goals a season before moving to Stoke in the twilight of his career.

 

 

Pretty sure where this notion of "inflated fee to beat the work permit" comes from, too.

 

Not only was Ashley so jazzed on this guy, but he lost Rafa over it*, "put in 20m from his own pocket" and agreed to a massively inflated fee to ensure he could come. Sure

 

* Okay, contributed to, was the final straw, was emblematic of their relationship. Whatever.

[TRon]

Always the victim, it's never his fault

 

It was his fault to some extent. He wasn't great yesterday, but still looked better than a fair proportion of those who were playing behind him. I was far more concerned how we couldn't even move the ball from the back to front yesterday which resulted in something like 37% possession yesterday against a championship team. The football was absolutely rank, and that is a bigger concern to me.

[KaKa]

 

Given the replies to this and the responses Kaka has had for not absolutely slating the lad and saying he’s shite reminds me of Thauvin in almost every way. A young player new to the league asked to play in an unfamiliar position by a poor manager in system that didn’t suite him. I can’t remember a player that got more stick from the fan base at the time, a couple of years later he’s in the French team with all of their attacking options.

 

I don’t think anyone in the right mind would try and suggest Joelinton has been anything other than terrible. I also don’t think you’re really stretching to suggest there’s a good player there somewhere, like Thauvin. Getting the best out of him and whether that’ll happen here seems increasingly unlikely though.

 

Just imagine being good enough to get into that French team, but being slated while at this tragic club man

 

I see the latest old trope about Joelinton is that he can't kick a ball now, just like Luuk De Jong supposedly couldn't. Only at Newcastle these players suddenly can't kick a ball

 

Just send Joelinton out to someone that knows what the hell they are doing and go and get Troy Deeney in, which is what the fans here really want. He'll cherish every hoof at his noggin, charge around like a Buffalo and smash into people to their heart's delight.

[KaKa]

Always the victim, it's never his fault

 

It was his fault to some extent. He wasn't great yesterday, but still looked better than a fair proportion of those who were playing behind him. I was far more concerned how we couldn't even move the ball from the back to front yesterday which resulted in something like 37% possession yesterday against a championship team. The football was absolutely rank, and that is a bigger concern to me.

 

People have decided everything he does is shit now man. They will never see any different if he doesn't score in a game

 

In the lead up to the goal Gillespie launched a ball at him from the back and as he goes to challenge for it the defender absolutely clatters him from the back before it falls to Almiron to send Fraser through. In the match thread he was even being criticised for that

 

It's just pitiful stuff at this point. Really hope he can get a move away.

[Shearergol]

 

Given the replies to this and the responses Kaka has had for not absolutely slating the lad and saying he’s shite reminds me of Thauvin in almost every way. A young player new to the league asked to play in an unfamiliar position by a poor manager in system that didn’t suite him. I can’t remember a player that got more stick from the fan base at the time, a couple of years later he’s in the French team with all of their attacking options.

 

I don’t think anyone in the right mind would try and suggest Joelinton has been anything other than terrible. I also don’t think you’re really stretching to suggest there’s a good player there somewhere, like Thauvin. Getting the best out of him and whether that’ll happen here seems increasingly unlikely though.

 

Just imagine being good enough to get into that French team, but being slated while at this tragic club man

 

I see the latest old trope about Joelinton is that he can't kick a ball now, just like Luuk De Jong supposedly couldn't. Only at Newcastle these players suddenly can't kick a ball

 

Just send Joelinton out to someone that knows what the hell they are doing and go and get Troy Deeney in, which is what the fans here really want. He'll cherish every hoof at his noggin, charge around like a Buffalo and smash into people to their heart's delight.

 

Bit straw man this post.

 

Nobody wants us to get Deeney in - hence why it's been discussed on this board, and people said so.

[Shearergol]

Always the victim, it's never his fault

 

It was his fault to some extent. He wasn't great yesterday, but still looked better than a fair proportion of those who were playing behind him. I was far more concerned how we couldn't even move the ball from the back to front yesterday which resulted in something like 37% possession yesterday against a championship team. The football was absolutely rank, and that is a bigger concern to me.

 

People have decided everything he does is shit now man. They will never see any different if he doesn't score in a game

 

In the lead up to the goal Gillespie launched a ball at him from the back and as he goes to challenge for it the defender absolutely clatters him from the back before it falls to Almiron to send Fraser through. In the match thread he was even being criticised for that

 

It's just pitiful stuff at this point. Really hope he can get a move away.

 

Absolutely clatters him? Have a word man. The highlights are on youtube if you need reminding. 26 seconds in. He doesn't get clattered at all.

 

 

 

"Absolutely clatters"

[TRon]

Always the victim, it's never his fault

 

It was his fault to some extent. He wasn't great yesterday, but still looked better than a fair proportion of those who were playing behind him. I was far more concerned how we couldn't even move the ball from the back to front yesterday which resulted in something like 37% possession yesterday against a championship team. The football was absolutely rank, and that is a bigger concern to me.

 

People have decided everything he does is shit now man. They will never see any different if he doesn't score in a game

 

In the lead up to the goal Gillespie launched a ball at him from the back and as he goes to challenge for it the defender absolutely clatters him from the back before it falls to Almiron to send Fraser through. In the match thread he was even being criticised for that

 

It's just pitiful stuff at this point. Really hope he can get a move away.

 

He's not getting a move away, we are not exactly flush for strikers. With Carroll and Gayle being crocked for the majority of the season, he'll be playing plenty of games, although hopefully mostly off the bench as he's certainly not ready to lead the line. I'm just pleased we have Wilson here now, he is ready to take on the role of leading centre forward. I still think he might enjoy playing with Joelinton.

[KaKa]

Kaka rates every footballer.

 

I just don't see how I can call someone a shit player when he isn't even being played in a team that can keep the ball enough to get him in any sort of decent scenarios to even begin to do anything, never mind what position or role he is even being given, which is a whole other story. This has been since he joined by the way.

 

Why have we bought someone that came from a team good enough to be playing in the champions league with a top manager and tactician, a team that moves the ball around well and functions completely differently and then just thrown him up top and played long balls to him. All to just then proclaim how shit he is?! This really makes sense to people? Okay.

 

Now he is magically lazy and lethargic too. Despite the fact he played for a high pressing team last year and this was listed as one of his strengths.

 

Until we put this guy in a half decent team that can even perform to an okay level like we did on Saturday and he looks rubbish then, I am not having it.

[Shearergol]

Kaka rates every footballer.

 

I just don't see how I can call someone a shit player when he isn't even being played in a team that can keep the ball enough to get him in any sort of decent scenarios to even begin to do anything, never mind what position or role he is even being given, which is a whole other story. This has been since he joined by the way.

 

Why have we bought someone that came from a team good enough to be playing in the champions league with a top manager and tactician, a team that moves the ball around well and functions completely differently and then just thrown him up top and played long balls to him. All to just then proclaim how shit he is?! This really makes sense to people? Okay.

 

Now he is magically lazy and lethargic too. Despite the fact he played for a high pressing team last year and this was listed as one of his strengths.

 

Until we put this guy in a half decent team that can even perform to an okay level like we did on Saturday and he looks rubbish then, I am not having it.

 

Kaka, when people say he's shit, they really mean "he's currently shit, for us, in this team". Just accept it and move on

[KaKa]

Always the victim, it's never his fault

 

It was his fault to some extent. He wasn't great yesterday, but still looked better than a fair proportion of those who were playing behind him. I was far more concerned how we couldn't even move the ball from the back to front yesterday which resulted in something like 37% possession yesterday against a championship team. The football was absolutely rank, and that is a bigger concern to me.

 

People have decided everything he does is shit now man. They will never see any different if he doesn't score in a game

 

In the lead up to the goal Gillespie launched a ball at him from the back and as he goes to challenge for it the defender absolutely clatters him from the back before it falls to Almiron to send Fraser through. In the match thread he was even being criticised for that

 

It's just pitiful stuff at this point. Really hope he can get a move away.

 

Absolutely clatters him? Have a word man. The highlights are on youtube if you need reminding. 26 seconds in. He doesn't get clattered at all.

 

 

 

"Absolutely clatters"

 

Is that not the defenders elbow going into the back of his head in both pictures?

 

This is just embarrassing at this point man, but carry on

 

Everyone can see what they want to see I guess. My goodness

[Shearergol]

Always the victim, it's never his fault

 

It was his fault to some extent. He wasn't great yesterday, but still looked better than a fair proportion of those who were playing behind him. I was far more concerned how we couldn't even move the ball from the back to front yesterday which resulted in something like 37% possession yesterday against a championship team. The football was absolutely rank, and that is a bigger concern to me.

 

People have decided everything he does is shit now man. They will never see any different if he doesn't score in a game

 

In the lead up to the goal Gillespie launched a ball at him from the back and as he goes to challenge for it the defender absolutely clatters him from the back before it falls to Almiron to send Fraser through. In the match thread he was even being criticised for that

 

It's just pitiful stuff at this point. Really hope he can get a move away.

 

Absolutely clatters him? Have a word man. The highlights are on youtube if you need reminding. 26 seconds in. He doesn't get clattered at all.

 

 

 

"Absolutely clatters"

 

Is that not the defenders elbow going into the back of his head in both pictures?

 

This is just embarrassing at this point man, but carry on

 

Everyone can see what they want to see I guess. My goodness

 

Spot on, that's clearly what you're doing.

 

He felt the defender behind him and went down claiming a foul (which it wasn't). Probably because he had zero confidence that he could win the ball, or do anything with it if he did win it. Luckily both Almiron and Fraser are switched on and scored a good goal, rather than just hoping for a freekick.

[KaKa]

this place man.

 

[Judge Holden]

Kaka rates every footballer.

 

I just don't see how I can call someone a shit player when he isn't even being played in a team that can keep the ball enough to get him in any sort of decent scenarios to even begin to do anything, never mind what position or role he is even being given, which is a whole other story. This has been since he joined by the way.

 

Why have we bought someone that came from a team good enough to be playing in the champions league with a top manager and tactician, a team that moves the ball around well and functions completely differently and then just thrown him up top and played long balls to him. All to just then proclaim how shit he is?! This really makes sense to people? Okay.

 

Now he is magically lazy and lethargic too. Despite the fact he played for a high pressing team last year and this was listed as one of his strengths.

 

Until we put this guy in a half decent team that can even perform to an okay level like we did on Saturday and he looks rubbish then, I am not having it.

 

Joelinton is shit. And we played better than OK on Saturday.

 

Wilson did v West Ham what Joelinton has barely done since he signed. Looked after the ball, worked hard and was in general a nuisance for the opposition.

[samptime29]

Joelinton is shit.

[KaKa]

That's deep man ... well done