Allan Saint-Maximin (now playing for Fenerbahce, on loan from Al-Ahli)

[Guest HTT II]

2 minutes ago, chayton said:

Shut you're face you, else I'm leaving and taking half the members with me ©2005 

Only if you take VAR along with you!

[Guest HTT II]

4 minutes ago, chayton said:

Haven't looked very VAR then 

 

[chayton]

5 minutes ago, HTT II said:

Only if you take VAR along with you!

Fuck that, he starts an argument in an empty room. Very Leazes Mag....

[Shearergol]

My Leeds mate says it was an absolute stonewall penalty and he’s massively convinced VAR is against them normally.

[Clockwork Cheese]

In a VAR-free world, it's fair to believe the referee sees in real time that ASM has gone down on his own trying to buy a penalty, or has just slipped over through his momentum and change of direction - thus not bothering to give anything. He didn't give ASM a card for simulation, so I think the ref has just thought he's slipped over whilst trying to shift his body weight back.

 

I can accept the refs decision on that basis, but what pisses me off is that once it goes to VAR, it's slowed down to a level where you cannot fail to see contact has been made - and still no penalty. VAR is used at slow speed to detect handball and give penalties, it's slowed down to frame by frame milliseconds to rule out goals for offside (to such a fine degree that a player could be ruled both on and offside throughout the time the ball is in contact with assisting players foot!).   In those cases, whatever evidence for positive ruling is found through VAR - however impossible to spot from a refs stand point - penalties are given. 

 

I hate VAR with a passion simply through the seemingly endless amounts of inconsistency and unfairness - even to the fact only PL teams playing at home can use it in the FA CUP. I can accept a referee making a decision. Won't always like or agree with it mind.

 

 

 

 

 

Edited January 24, 2022 by Clockwork Cheese

[sammynb]

ASM does himself no favours every time he throws his arms up as he heads towards the turf. Have a look, it just makes it look more like he's trying it on.

[MarkyMark]

I've had VAR look at Chayton's opinion and ... it hasn't overruled him

 

That's another nail in the coffin for VAR for me, Clive

[Clockwork Cheese]

Didn't do himself any favours 10mins earlier running at the ref flapping and throwing his arms because that FK wasn't given for a shirt tug. 

 

Really pissed me off that came with his arm throwing - needs to just get on with it and chase after/close down the Leeds player that just has got the ball. After not getting his pen, he collapsed to the floor then trotted back to his defensive positioning - it took him a whole minute from the refs decision to be back in position.

[chayton]

28 minutes ago, Shearergol said:

My Leeds mate says it was an absolute stonewall penalty and he’s massively convinced VAR is against them normally.

You Yorkshire boys have always been a bit dim

[chayton]

22 minutes ago, Clockwork Cheese said:

Didn't do himself any favours 10mins earlier running at the ref flapping and throwing his arms because that FK wasn't given for a shirt tug. 

 

Really pissed me off that came with his arm throwing - needs to just get on with it and chase after/close down the Leeds player that just has got the ball. After not getting his pen, he collapsed to the floor then trotted back to his defensive positioning - it took him a whole minute from the refs decision to be back in position.

This

[Shearergol]

2 minutes ago, chayton said:

You Yorkshire boys have always been a bit dim

Lincolnshire (well Humberside) 

[chayton]

28 minutes ago, Clockwork Cheese said:

In a VAR-free world, it's fair to believe the referee sees in real time that ASM has gone down on his own trying to buy a penalty, or has just slipped over through his momentum and change of direction - thus not bothering to give anything. He didn't give ASM a card for simulation, so I think the ref has just thought he's slipped over whilst trying to shift his body weight back.

 

I can accept the refs decision on that basis, but what pisses me off is that once it goes to VAR, it's slowed down to a level where you cannot fail to see contact has been made - and still no penalty. VAR is used at slow speed to detect handball and give penalties, it's slowed down to frame by frame milliseconds to rule out goals for offside (to such a fine degree that a player could be ruled both on and offside throughout the time the ball is in contact with assisting players foot!).   In those cases, whatever evidence for positive ruling is found through VAR - however impossible to spot from a refs stand point - penalties are given. 

 

I hate VAR with a passion simply through the seemingly endless amounts of inconsistency and unfairness - even to the fact only PL teams playing at home can use it in the FA CUP. I can accept a referee making a decision. Won't always like or agree with it mind.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Sadly they've got to a point where they've decided VAR is not allowed to undermine a referee's decision - ergo he's got to have got it seriously wrong for them to even consider overturning it. And as you say in realtime you cannot microscopically disect it. This is where ASM is his own worst enemy. He's made the referee's mind up by trying over-egg it. As soon as that was done, it was never going to get overturned.

[chayton]

1 minute ago, Shearergol said:

Lincolnshire (well Humberside) 

I feel like we've gone back 15 years or so in time .... Yorkshireman

[TRon]

12 hours ago, chayton said:

Sadly they've got to a point where they've decided VAR is not allowed to undermine a referee's decision - ergo he's got to have got it seriously wrong for them to even consider overturning it. And as you say in realtime you cannot microscopically disect it. This is where ASM is his own worst enemy. He's made the referee's mind up by trying over-egg it. As soon as that was done, it was never going to get overturned.

 

Which just makes it pointless. If you have VAR, then might be a good idea to use it. All they had to do was advise the hopeless cunt of a ref to go and have a look at his screen, they didn't have to directly overrule it. He could have made his own mind up after viewing, same as they do in so many other games. 

[AyeDubbleYoo]

If you compare it to the one Jota got by stepping into the goalkeeper, I don’t get why they didn’t even ask the referee to look. System is a farce. 

[Detritus Bramble]

If whoever is doing VAR looks at it and it’s a pen (it clearly was) then that should be that. All this it wasn’t a clear refereeing error in real time us bollocks. If you allow people to start making nuanced decisions in judgement calls like that you’re creating the inconsistencies the system is meant to remove 

[Kid Icarus]

Watching our matches you get the sense that they're leaving it to each other. The ref's not giving anything thinking that the VAR will clear up any error, and the VAR's using any nebulous reason to back the decision. 

That's how it seems, then you watch a top 6 match...

[AyeDubbleYoo]

Yeah, I don’t even think it needs to involve the referee on the pitch TBH. Have a look at the replay, if he’s missed a foul or a dive, make the decision from the pictures. 
 

It’s a bit silly to persevere with this idea that you need to protect the status of the ref. He’s a human, he’s going to miss things, that’s why replays are good. 

 

 

Edited January 25, 2022 by AyeDubbleYoo

[triggs]

1 hour ago, AyeDubbleYoo said:

Yeah, I don’t even think it needs to involve the referee on the pitch TBH. Have a look at the replay, if he’s missed a foul or a dive, make the decision from the pictures. 
 

It’s a bit silly to persevere with this idea that you need to protect the status of the ref. He’s a human, he’s going to miss things, that’s why replays are good. 

 

 

 

Aye, good point. Take it out of the referee's hands. He's not an impartial observer

[andyc35i]

I really like the idea of a review system that managers can use during the game. Essentially get three people in a box to review the decision a manager disagrees with based on some sort of criteria and the consensus wins out. Keep the video for offsides only and red card tackles - job done 

[sammynb]

7 minutes ago, andyc35i said:

I really like the idea of a review system that managers can use during the game. Essentially get three people in a box to review the decision a manager disagrees with based on some sort of criteria and the consensus wins out. Keep the video for offsides only and red card tackles - job done 

 

Try cricket or rugby if you want to watch that, fuck the VAR off and just get back to the way it was.

[AyeDubbleYoo]

I don’t really like the idea of challenges. The idea should be to get all the decisions correct, not dependent on what managers want. 

[Consortium of one]

VAR should be used to overturn egregious errors only.  If it takes constantly rewinding to see some nuanced movement then it shouldn't be overturned.  That mentality has hurt NFL and MLB, especially in the beginning

[Begbie]

On 24/01/2022 at 23:30, chayton said:

Sadly they've got to a point where they've decided VAR is not allowed to undermine a referee's decision - ergo he's got to have got it seriously wrong for them to even consider overturning it. And as you say in realtime you cannot microscopically disect it. This is where ASM is his own worst enemy. He's made the referee's mind up by trying over-egg it. As soon as that was done, it was never going to get overturned.

This is why VAR need to make the call instead of the ref. In decades now referees have often not given freekicks and penalties unless the players over-play it, and often you can see they are avaiting a reaction from the player before they blow.. If players stay on their feet or dont react much they normally dont get anything, so I can understand ASM over-plays it because he/we dont get penalties that often and IF he doesnt over-play it we can certainly say we wouldnt get the penalty... Imho VAR need to correct the error, because in my book making the wrong decision about a penalty is seriously wrong so they should consider overturning it.

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