Allan Saint-Maximin (now playing for Fenerbahce, on loan from Al-Ahli)

[Guest HTT II]

Alain St Minimum, get rid!

[bobbydazzla]

Do 15 stepovers, a pirouette, try to take on 4 defenders, ignore your wide open team mate, then give the ball away. Repeat ad nauseam. 

 

 

Edited January 8, 2022 by bobbydazzla

[TRon]

4 minutes ago, KaKa said:

Not a team player at all. Coddled and enabled by Bruce and now looking far worse in a more structured setup.

 

Sick of him trying to dribble in dangerous areas of the field and then higher up the pitch often not releasing the ball in time.

 

Not sure he will be here long term going forward now. Very frustrating player.

 

 

This. It's for those reasons I can guarantee no top side will come in for him. 

[Klaus]

Just now, Shearergol said:

I always think twice about being critical about him on here, as I do recognise that he’s pretty much our only outlet, but I really do wish he’d become more of a team player. I think he’s an incredible talent but his decision making is fucking shite at the moment.

 

I think he knows he is surrounded by utter shite, which is maybe part of why he doesn't always pass

 

A bit like Ben Arfa having Danny Simpson behind him.

[toontownman]

He simply isn't a player to rely on. For the past year we have put all our hopes on giving the ball to ASM and hoping he does something magical. 

 

We have also played him in the wrong position alot. He has to play out wide and we need to create space for him. He will work better when he isn't the ONLY attacking threat.  

[Thiago]

The way to get the best out of him is through counter attacks and switching the point of attack quickly so he can be isolated. Too often we're giving it to him with two men to get past and he's not doing anything with it.

[nufcnick]

I was slated months ago for questioning his value to the team, looks like more people are seeing the same thing, the worst thing is his attitude when we’re playing the so-called lesser teams, which really stuck out today 

[Fantail Breeze]

Just now, Klaus said:

 

I think he knows he is surrounded by utter shite, which is maybe part of why he doesn't always pass

 

A bit like Ben Arfa having Danny Simpson behind him.

 

Danny Simpson, Premier League winner and Ben Arfa, a missed opportunity.

 

Maybe players like that should learn to play as a team and they might achieve much more…

[Guest]

5 minutes ago, joeyt said:

 

For who though?

At the moment I’d do Fraser and Murphy. Technically worse players but I think they’d form a better understanding with the new full-backs between now and the end of the season. If we can get an upgrade on the wing even better. Can just see a top striker being pissed off sharpish with him. Could you imagine Shearer putting up with it? He used to rollick Ginola, Robert & Solano and they actually did provide service. 

[Guest neesy111]

1 minute ago, Thiago said:

The way to get the best out of him is through counter attacks and switching the point of attack quickly so he can be isolated. Too often we're giving it to him with two men to get past and he's not doing anything with it.

 

This is it.  He needs to play on the break.

[TRon]

1 minute ago, Optimistic Nut said:

At the moment I’d do Fraser and Murphy. Technically worse players but I think they’d form a better understanding with the new full-backs between now and the end of the season. If we can get an upgrade on the wing even better. Can just see a top striker being pissed off sharpish with him. Could you imagine Shearer putting up with it? He used to rollick Ginola, Robert & Solano and they actually did provide service. 

 

Exactly. Shearer used to bang on and on about getting the crosses in early before defences regrouped, and he even showed how to do it himself when he pulled out wide. Unfortunately it was impossible to get on the end of his own crosses. 

[nufcnick]

What I would say is, we might see a better ASM if we get a good right sided attacking midfielder to take some of the creative strain off him, ATM so-called lesser teams know if they put 2/3 players on ASM and that’s us completely nullified, we need another player that will make them think twice about putting 2/3 players on him

[triggs]

Didn't watch today but he literally scored a class goal in our last game

 

Played as a striker as well today?

[Guest neesy111]

Just now, triggs said:

Didn't watch today but he literally scored a class goal in our last game

 

Played as a striker as well today?

 

He was absolutely garbage today mind.  

[TRon]

3 minutes ago, nufcnick said:

What I would say is, we might see a better ASM if we get a good right sided attacking midfielder to take some of the creative strain off him, ATM so-called lesser teams know if they put 2/3 players on ASM and that’s us completely nullified, we need another player that will make them think twice about putting 2/3 players on him

 

This is true mind, I don't like a lot of his decision making, but when the rest are that shit, it must be tempting to go it alone. 

[Minhosa]

As I said a few months ago, he's too unpredictable and too unreliable to form any part of a cohesive 11.

 

He's a wildcard option off the bench when you're chasing a game or when the game's won.

 

Needs changing out in the medium term.

[Guest]

8 minutes ago, Fantail Breeze said:

 

Danny Simpson, Premier League winner and Ben Arfa, a missed opportunity.

 

Maybe players like that should learn to play as a team and they might achieve much more…

Ben Arfa was a different league to Saint-Maximin. He’d be frustrating at times but he was far better in his decision making and end product overall.

[Klaus]

1 minute ago, TRon said:

 

This is true mind, I don't like a lot of his decision making, but when the rest are that shit, it must be tempting to go it alone. 

 

Exactly the point i was trying to make. Yes he is frustrating, but he can make things happen from nothing.

[SiLvOR]

6 minutes ago, ManDoon said:

He also barely got picked and was dropped any time he was good. He’s a better player than ASM like. Easily. I remember he played false 9 in one game and was fine, linking and dropping into to play 

ASM isn't fit to lace Hatem's boots.

[TRon]

Just now, Klaus said:

 

Exactly the point i was trying to make. Yes he is frustrating, but he can make things happen from nothing.

 

I still think his time is limited here though, better teams pass and move, they don't have dribblers trying to win games with wonder goals.

[Fantail Breeze]

2 minutes ago, ManDoon said:

Hatem’s won more than Danny Simpson. 

 

That’s absolutely not the point like. The point was, rather bemoaning the quality of your teammates and trying to do it all on your own, play a team game as a team.

 

Players like Ben Arfa and ASM are individuals and they play like it. They can probably coast in good teams, like a PSG or Marseille, but they are worthless to a team in a relegation battle.

 

We need a team that functions together. ASM’s one moment of magic every five games isn’t currently worth his lack of contribution in the other four games.

[KaKa]

Watching Ben Arfa I never felt as frustrated with him. Partly because he almost always pulled off whatever he was trying to do and didn't lose the ball anywhere near as often as ASM, and also because I think he usually moved the ball around far more and picked the times to take people on much better. The two cannot be compared in any way shape or form. Ben Arfa was by far the more superior player.

[Guest]

9 minutes ago, Klaus said:

 

Exactly the point i was trying to make. Yes he is frustrating, but he can make things happen from nothing.

Then he’s not for us at this time. There were two occasions an easy ball to Fraser for example could have resulted in a good chance. Today a simple pass to Trippier would have lead to a good crossing opportunity with plenty of players in the box. Just because he feels in his head these aren’t to his level doesn’t mean he should be trying to do it alone.
 

Think like someone has mentioned, an impact sub might be his role at the moment.

[Minhosa]

Him and Trippier are nailed on to fall out btw. Trippier won't pussyfoot around him and will tell him straight.

 

I predict ASM gone by next season.

[Mazzy]

5 minutes ago, Fantail Breeze said:

 

That’s absolutely not the point like. The point was, rather bemoaning the quality of your teammates and trying to do it all on your own, play a team game as a team.

 

Players like Ben Arfa and ASM are individuals and they play like it. They can probably coast in good teams, like a PSG or Marseille, but they are worthless to a team in a relegation battle.

 

We need a team that functions together. ASM’s one moment of magic every five games isn’t currently worth his lack of contribution in the other four games.

 

Agree with most of what you say, however there have been a fair amount of times this season alone where he's done everything possible to lay a scoring chance up on a plate for someone and they've ballsed it up. Vice versa he's been in the position to score and he hasn't received the right pass because most of the fuckwits that play for us can't handle a 5 yard ball to feet.

 

He can go missing in games for certain but I'd love to see him in a team where he has quality around him. Until that point I find it hard to be to harsh on him.