Allan Saint-Maximin (now playing for Fenerbahce, on loan from Al-Ahli)

[Shak]

4 minutes ago, Heron said:

Bollocks. Absolute bollocks. Isn't a patch on Willock or Joelinton who are both currently deployed there.

 

Presumably both of them will be needed alongside Longstaff in midfield with Bruno out.

[gbandit]

6 minutes ago, Heron said:

All ifs and buts..

 

He's dangerous,  he's unplayable on his day. Absolutely. I'm not that stubborn. His day isn't often enough though and he's a FIFS street player.

Sadly that’s the type of player he’ll always be, even if he manages to improve his distribution and decision making. He’s never going to be as consistent a player as anyone else in the side because his best trait is his dribbling which is always going to be a bit hit and miss. I think that he can still be a really great player for us if he improves his passing and decision making but he’s never going to play in the system that Howe has set up in the way that others do

[ponsaelius]

So Maxi doesn't hit the target with his crosses. Joelinton doesn't even attempt to cross the ball from that position, man

 

We all know he offers more than that obviously (particularly centrally) but you need other things to win football matches. At the moment our squad is far too limited to not at least have Maxi as a twelfth/thirteenth man IMO.

[Heron]

4 minutes ago, Kid Icarus said:

He was on for 45 minutes  It was a match where nothing was hitting its mark, even from Trippier. They were all good balls and if anything not selfish enough.

 

Find this all a bit weird tbh, it was an obviously decent performance, at least.

 

 

 

Bollocks. He fucked up the through ball to Wilson for a potential goal, he put a twenty yard shot wide, and other than that it was run of the milm stuff. Yi kan what fucks me off, ASM is a really talented kid. More than Sean Longstaff, undoubtedly. But he wouldn't get in mine or Eddie Howes first 11 because he is a lazy twat with flashes of brilliance and Sean Longstaf is a team player and a steady 7 outta 10. Really fucks me off that does.

 

People give ASM leeway cause he's talented, people give Longstaff grief cause he's less so. Yet it should be the opposite Longstaff is integral to our team performance. ASM is a luxury.

[Heron]

7 minutes ago, ponsaelius said:

As good as we've been this season we can't go on playing Joelinton as a wide forward in home games against weaker sides. Especially if Bruno is injured. We need more creativity in and around the team. It was great to be able to bring Maxi and Isak off the bench and offer something different. Both were not at their sharpest but made a very positive influence on the momentum of the match.

Fair.

[Heron]

3 minutes ago, gbandit said:

Sadly that’s the type of player he’ll always be, even if he manages to improve his distribution and decision making. He’s never going to be as consistent a player as anyone else in the side because his best trait is his dribbling which is always going to be a bit hit and miss. I think that he can still be a really great player for us if he improves his passing and decision making but he’s never going to play in the system that Howe has set up in the way that others do

So he's not the teamwork us or teams around us. Needs more strings to his bow.

[Heron]

3 minutes ago, ponsaelius said:

So Maxi doesn't hit the target with his crosses. Joelinton doesn't even attempt to cross the ball from that position, man

 

We all know he offers more than that obviously (particularly centrally) but you need other things to win football matches. At the moment our squad is far too limited to not at least have Maxi as a twelfth/thirteenth man IMO.

He is the best of a supporting bad bunch. He's gone from big fish in a small pond to small fish in a big pond. Undoubtedly unplayable on his day but his day isn't often enough and not a team player. He wasn't anywhere near our MotM day to say he was is obscene.

[Dr Jinx]

I thought it was a very well rounded performance, previously in certain situations (ie every time he got the ball) he’d just put the head down and try and beat 5 players, lose it somewhere in the middle of his efforts and we’d be suddenly defending.

 

Today he had the head up and was looking for the simple pass, he took on players when the time was right and maybe should have had a goal.

 

What I’m impressed with is that he’s obviously been listening to our manager in terms of what he wants and he’s showing he wants to be back in the first 11.

[biggmarket]

He needs to stop losing the ball when he runs infield though, that can be really costly on the counter attack, losing it on the wing isn't as crucial.

[Pata]

The fuck's going on here?

 

ASM 100% improved us today and I have no idea what he did wrong.

 

 

Edited January 16, 2023 by Pata

[Kid Icarus]

9 minutes ago, Heron said:

Bollocks. He fucked up the through ball to Wilson for a potential goal, he put a twenty yard shot wide, and other than that it was run of the milm stuff. Yi kan what fucks me off, ASM is a really talented kid. More than Sean Longstaff, undoubtedly. But he wouldn't get in mine or Eddie Howes first 11 because he is a lazy twat with flashes of brilliance and Sean Longstaf is a team player and a steady 7 outta 10. Really fucks me off that does.

 

People give ASM leeway cause he's talented, people give Longstaff grief cause he's less so. Yet it should be the opposite Longstaff is integral to our team performance. ASM is a luxury.

You're nuts mate.   I'll leave it at that.

 

We won, I'm happy, and I'm happy with ASM's performance, including his work rate. I'm not gonna bring the mood down arguing in those circumstances 

 

 

Edited January 15, 2023 by Kid Icarus

[mighty__mag]

Joelinton is better in the middle.

 

Love ASM he needs to start playing on the left and Joe back in CM. 

 

I'd normally say drop Longstaff, but with Bruno out now, Joelinton Longstaff and Willock will surely be the midfield for a few weeks, its probably good timing for ASM this, nobody wants Bruno missing, but this now accommodates ASM nicely. 

 

He also needs it to start showing his best again.

 

I thought he did a decent job from half time, especially in a game that was really, well awkward at times. 

 

 

 

 

[Heron]

3 minutes ago, Kid Icarus said:

You're nuts mate.   I'll leave it at that.

 

We won, I'm happy, and I'm happy with ASM's performance, including his work rate. I'm not gonna bring the mood down arguing in those circumstances 

 

 

 

I don't intend to "bring the mood down" just my observations. Anyone saying he belongs in our first 11 is wrong for me and seemingly for Eddie Howe too. He doesn't do enough to warrant a lack of effort. By contrast Miggy is adored for his high intensity, no bullshit, part of the team mentality.

[alexf]

Couple of times he got his head up and played some great passes to launch the counter attack and linked up well with Isak also. 

 

Trying to make out he did anything wrong today or because he didn't score a worldie just sums up the weird attitude some fans have towards him. It's the Ben Arfa effect of, because they sometimes can be unplayable on their best day, the expectation level is unrealistic compared to other players.

[Oregon_Geordie]

Thought ASM was great today. Mixed his game up, combined with teammates, looked more tactically aware and made a fucking tackle or two also! Being coached I think it's called...

[Heron]

4 minutes ago, alexf said:

Couple of times he got his head up and played some great passes to launch the counter attack and linked up well with Isak also. 

 

Trying to make out he did anything wrong today or because he didn't score a worldie just sums up the weird attitude some fans have towards him. It's the Ben Arfa effect of, because they sometimes can be unplayable on their best day, the expectation level is unrealistic compared to other players.

Don't agree. People give ASM slack cause he's talented. This isn't afforded to Sean Longstaff for example. An entirely fucked up mentality. I know who makes it in my first 11, and Eddie Howes.

[Pata]

5 minutes ago, Heron said:

Don't agree. People give ASM slack cause he's talented. This isn't afforded to Sean Longstaff for example. An entirely fucked up mentality. I know who makes it in my first 11, and Eddie Howes.

 

Sean Longstaff would never get shite for a performance like ASM's today, he really has to fuck up to be attacked by (probably intoxicated) fans.

[mighty__mag]

18 minutes ago, Heron said:

I don't intend to "bring the mood down" just my observations. Anyone saying he belongs in our first 11 is wrong for me and seemingly for Eddie Howe too. He doesn't do enough to warrant a lack of effort. By contrast Miggy is adored for his high intensity, no bullshit, part of the team mentality.

 

I definitely think he should be in the first eleven pal. But we all have different opinions. He's not so much as popular on this forum as he is on other platforms, and it always seems when players are criticised he gets plenty even when he does well, I think because he shines under a donkey like Steve Bruce we all remember that superstar, but, since all these lads that Bruce used to have are now trained correctly, they're all much fitter, sharper, mentally tuned, we now see not just that one player shine, they're all at good levels, I'm one of ASM biggest advocates on here, I think most of the players under 12 months of Howe have adapted and reached their top levels in terms of fitness mentality and physically, Maximin is still catching up, but he is 100% capable, it might just be hes taking longer, cast your mind back to Man City, he was the best player on both sides. Honestly turn your focus to other players, now and then, I know what it's like, I go ape when Wood, Murphy, even Lascelles are in the side, gets on my tits, Maxi is not in those levels of coming on and offering absolutely fuck all.

 

All said in a good heart pal??

 

 

Edited January 16, 2023 by mighty__mag

[Unbelievable]

Can barely believe what I’m reading like

[Heron]

1 minute ago, Pata said:

 

Sean Longstaff would never get shite for a performance like ASM's today, he really has to fuck up to be attacked by (probably intoxicated) fans.

Longstaff did more than Maxi today and also got less support and more stick. That's fact.

[Pata]

Just now, Heron said:

Longstaff did more than Maxi today and also got less support and more stick. That's fact.

 

Gan to bed mate.

[Unbelievable]

1 minute ago, Heron said:

Longstaff did more than Maxi today and also got less support and more stick. That's fact.

No it’s not. It’s your opinion, and that’s a fact.

[Heron]

1 minute ago, mighty__mag said:

 

I definitely think he should be in the first eleven pal. But we all have different opinions. He's not so much as popular on this forum as he is on other platforms, and it always seems when players are criticised he gets plenty even when he does well, I think because he shines under a donkey like Steve Bruce we all remember that superstar, but, since all these lads that Bruce used to have are now trained correctly, they're all much fitter, sharper, mentally tuned, we now see not just that one player shine, they're all at good levels, I'm one of ASM biggest advocates on here, I think most of the players under 12 months of Howe have adapted and reached their top levels in terms of fitness mentality and physically, Maximin is still catching up, but he is 100% capable, it might just be hes taking longer, cast your mind back to Man City, he was the best player on both sides. Honestly turn your focus to other players, now and then, I know what it's like, I go ape when Wood, Murphy, even Lascelles gets on my tits, Maxi is not in those levels of coming on and offering absolutely fuck all.

 

All said in a good heart pal??

Fair dues fella. I'm objective. Maximins aren't my kinda player. This forum treats Ben Arfa like a god but he achieved fuck all speaks volumes. Being talented and a baller don't necessarily cut it for me. Being part of a team that are champions does.

[Heron]

2 minutes ago, Unbelievable said:

No it’s not. It’s your opinion, and that’s a fact.

Maxis name was sang. Longstaffs wasn't. No groans or boos for Maxis fuck ups, some for longstaffs. That IS fact.

 

 

Edited January 16, 2023 by Heron

[alexf]

@HeronIt's just different when it comes to talented players. Take Messi as the example of maybe the best ever, he regularly loses the ball statistically more than most back in his prime, but you forgive it because you know he is capable or scoring the winning goal etc. 

 

Longstaff, if he's the example you wana give the other way, is frustrating because he's possibly playing at his maximum or ceiling. So when he's constantly missing chances like recently you kind assume that's just his standard and he's not magically going to be able to create something. 

 

ASM on the flip side has proven many times that he can create moments of unbelievable individual quality so if he's not at his best, you still know in the back of your mind that he's still capable of a special moment.

 

However he's also a player that has struggled with injuries and fitness and therefore game sharpness and is trying to adjust to the managers style. 

 

I will agree with you that maybe he isn't suited to Howe's future vision or current ideal 11, but I disagree with going so far the other way and being abit negative about his performance today when I think it's clear he is trying to adjust his game for the benefit of the team.