Allan Saint-Maximin (now playing for Fenerbahce, on loan from Al-Ahli)

[The Prophet]

It sounds like we were planning to buy Gordon this summer regardless. We may well have been priced out if we'd waited.

 

 

Edited July 20, 2023 by The Prophet

[christ]

I know it’s cliche to point this out, but if he was called Antonio Gordinho, we’d signed him for the same fee from abroad and he’d just won the Player of the Tournament at the U21 Euros our fans would be cock in hand that we’ve got one of the top prospects in world football.

[Dr Venkman]

2 hours ago, SiLvOR said:

I was barely ever watching under Bruce, so I never got attached to anyone really, Maxi obviously included. That's probably why I'm only a little bit sad about this. Whereas if it were Joelinton going, I'd be completely gutted, seeing his turnaround under Howe and what a cracking bloke he is. Maxi unfortunately hasn't had that chance to shine really, be it through injury or just not favoured enough.

 

 

 

This is me. I really like ASM as a player, he makes things happen and he's exciting to watch. He was always going to move on at some point, though. Howe's been incredible, give him the players he really wants and let him work.

[WilliamPS]

I think and hope Gordon has a great season coming up, but fans are mostly judging him on what they saw on the pitch last season - which is not unreasonable!

[TheBrownBottle]

11 hours ago, patrone said:

Will ASM be remembered the same way the likes of Ginola and Laurent Robert are

 

Or more the the way of Scott Sellars and Ruel Fox ?‍♂️

Scott Sellars was a superb left winger who was unfortunately blighted by injury who was an effective player in an excellent side.  ASM sits below Sellars in the LW pecking order every time for me.

 

Fox was a very good player who blew hot & cold.  He was one of my favourites when he was here, though.  

[PauloGeordio]

37 minutes ago, christ said:

I know it’s cliche to point this out, but if he was called Antonio Gordinho, we’d signed him for the same fee from abroad and he’d just won the Player of the Tournament at the U21 Euros our fans would be cock in hand that we’ve got one of the top prospects in world football.

Antonioni Geordinio for me! 

 

 

Edited July 20, 2023 by PauloGeordio

[huss9]

from eddie's quotes this morning, i think we've "encouraged" ASM to move on.

[SteV]

Absolute bizarre take to say we’ve “wasted” money on the Euro U21’s Player of the Tournament.

[greydos]

4 hours ago, Displayname said:

As someone who wanted him to stay here, I think i will forget him pretty fast. 

His edgy emo instagram posts turned me a little off tbh.

Judging the value of footballers by their Instagram posts? This world is crazy. What if you found out Ginola used to collect stamps or was into carving poetry into wood? Would that’ve turned you off him anarl?

 

 

[BlazeT44]

5 minutes ago, huss9 said:

from eddie's quotes this morning, i think we've "encouraged" ASM to move on.

 

It makes sense.

 

I thought ASMs ambiguous post at the end of the year was one where he wanted to stay, but his gut / info he had told him that he'd be moved on.

 

I thought at the time it was a "please stick with me I'm trying to be the best I can be, but if I do go, I gave everything, please love me" post 

 

 

Edited July 20, 2023 by BlazeT44

[Bally21]

Regards Anthony Gordon, his confidence should be high after the England U21s win, we need to get behind the lad, seems like we could be in danger of writing the kid off - give him a chance.

[BlazeT44]

6 minutes ago, huss9 said:

from eddie's quotes this morning, i think we've "encouraged" ASM to move on.

 

Was never a huge fan of Gordon, even more so having paid £45M for him, but he had a cracking Euros.

 

To write him off so early, when he came here with ultra low confidence, would be strange.

[Displayname]

4 minutes ago, greydos said:

Judging the value of footballers by their Instagram posts? This world is crazy. What if you found out Ginola used to collect stamps or was into carving poetry into wood? Would that’ve turned you off him anarl?

 

 

I wouldnt mind either of those things. But yes, the personality of the footballers has a say in what i think of them.

[Erikse]

1 hour ago, hakka said:

 

So your picking a season where ASM only started 12 games as the benchmark...

 

That could've happened next season aswell..

[BlazeT44]

1 hour ago, hakka said:

 

So your picking a season where ASM only started 12 games as the benchmark...

 

Totally see your point, but surely the players fitness and availability are (key) factors when considering their value to a club?

[thomas]

2 hours ago, Shearergol said:

have you missed the 40ish posts there are explaining how this helps us with ffp like?

it helps a little bit but, if spread over 2 or 3 more players, it really only covers a year or so's worth of amortization, no? the rest of it will still need to be made up somehow. we still need massive, massive improvements on the commercial side to continue growing.

[TRon]

2 hours ago, NUFC said:

I meant we wasted money on Gordon when we didnt need him in Jan.

 

We are now need to sell ASM to buy Barnes when the difference between them isnt much

 

Both those opinions might turn out to be quite wrong.

[Erikse]

3 minutes ago, hakka said:

 

Many things could happen, so what?

 

Lets just ignore that Maxi gets injured a lot, and whenever he does think about how much he could've done if he wasn't injured.

 

 

Edited July 20, 2023 by Erikse

[Shearergol]

1 minute ago, thomas said:

it helps a little bit but, if spread over 2 or 3 more players, it really only covers a year or so's worth of amortization, no? the rest of it will still need to be made up somehow. we still need massive, massive improvements on the commercial side to continue growing.

 

Yep, 100%. But without selling ASM we won't sign anyone else this window (according to the hints made by Howe). Some people choose not to believe it, but it's up to them.

[PauloGeordio]

Maxi for the Howe team system of now and the future = round peg in a square hole. He doesn’t fit (trying to fit isn’t the same) Let’s move on and enjoy the ride 

 

 

Edited July 20, 2023 by PauloGeordio

[andycap]

If he goes for say 40 million. And we bring in Barnes for 38 million that will be spread over five years you'd think. So that'll be 8 million a year roughly. So we will still have 30 odd million to play with. 

[thomas]

1 minute ago, Shearergol said:

 

Yep, 100%. But without selling ASM we won't sign anyone else this window (according to the hints made by Howe). Some people choose not to believe it, but it's up to them.

Absolutely. I believe in our FFP constraints and have never opposed the sale.

 

I was just thinking the "we can sell ASM to buy 3 more players because of bookkeeping wizardry" lines usually neglected the need to make up the rest of those transfer fees at some point anyway. If it helps bring Barnes+1 more in I'd be happy. If the 35m is spread across 4 players I think things get tight/scarier next season without some Eales & co magic.

[SUPERTOON]

4 minutes ago, hakka said:

 

So you focus on one season of 12 starts, ignore all the ones before where its higher. Got ya.

You could argue that it’s no surprise his worst injury season was due to the new style of play under Howe and that Maxi isn’t capable of it physically. Obviously we will never know now, but I’d have guessed his injuries would have kept occurring given the intensity in which he would be asked to play.

[Adam P]

34 minutes ago, greydos said:

Judging the value of footballers by their Instagram posts? This world is crazy. What if you found out Ginola used to collect stamps or was into carving poetry into wood? Would that’ve turned you off him anarl?

 

 

 

Dont think he was judging the value of him as a footballer, just expressing probably the widely held view that posting that sort of thing on instagram is not a great reflection of character. Put me off him a bit too, which is also in my view irrelevant to my perspective on him as a footballer. It does however speak of a self-centredness which is the opposite personality required for a team collective. So in a away it is actually relevant to his employment at the club and i bet if you asked an expert leader of people like Eddie Howe, he would agree. 

 

I also think its quite likely that the idea of him leaving the club was floated at the time of those posts, which makes sense. Eddie will have been watching his reaction. Was he going to roll his sleeves up and fight for the cause, knuckle down in his fitness and tactical training? Or make excuses and make it all about him? I cant know if thats true but i reckon it is. 

[SUPERTOON]

24 minutes ago, hakka said:

 

He was busting a gut single handidly trying to win us games under Bruce. I'd wager he was more likely to suffer injuries under that regime for over reliance and terrible conditioning and sports science during that era over assuming his fitness injuries last season was due to Howe's pressing demanda. Just seems to me people will use anything to put ASM down, justified or not.

Have to disagree, the fitness and physicality needed to play under Howe is light years ahead of under Bruce. That without even mentioning the training we do under Howe in comparison to the 2/3 days a week “training” we used to do under Bruce.