Ben Posted June 2, 2021 Share Posted June 2, 2021 2 minutes ago, Kaizero said: Do you fail to realize they were appointed to their first - massive - clubs on lesser merits than OGS was to his Man Utd gig? Yet these are genius managers, and OGS can be written off after two and a half years? At the top level he's not ruthless enough Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joey Linton Posted June 2, 2021 Share Posted June 2, 2021 7 minutes ago, Kaizero said: Pep's done a good job at Barcelona, but they need a step up in class. Tito's done a good job at Barcelona, but they need a step up in class. Klopp's done a good job at Dortmund, but they need a step up in class. Tuchel's done a good job at Dortmund, but they need a step up in class. What the fuck is this nonsense? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Froggy Posted June 2, 2021 Share Posted June 2, 2021 Just now, Ben said: At the top level he's not ruthless enough Very possible. A lot of Man Utd fans would agree with this. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
joeyt Posted June 2, 2021 Share Posted June 2, 2021 How was Klopp appointed to Dortmund on less merits than OGS? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kaizero Posted June 2, 2021 Share Posted June 2, 2021 Just now, joeyt said: How was Klopp appointed to Dortmund on less merits than OGS? Two 11th placed finishes in the Bundesliga as his highest peak, no honours, failed in the UEFA Cup qualifiers, one relegation and failed promotion push. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kaizero Posted June 2, 2021 Share Posted June 2, 2021 10 minutes ago, Joey Linton said: What the fuck is this nonsense? Your own logic used against you. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shearergol Posted June 2, 2021 Share Posted June 2, 2021 Does @Kaizero really adore OGS purely on nationality? I'm yet to pick up on it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
joeyt Posted June 2, 2021 Share Posted June 2, 2021 1 minute ago, Kaizero said: Two 11th placed finishes in the Bundesliga as his highest peak, no honours, failed in the UEFA Cup qualifiers, one relegation and failed promotion push. With a club who had never played in the Bundesliga before he was appointed... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kaizero Posted June 2, 2021 Share Posted June 2, 2021 Just now, Shearergol said: Does @Kaizero really adore OGS purely on nationality? I'm yet to pick up on it. I actually dislike him quite a bit. My Norwegian team is Rosenborg. I just dislike people not being logical more. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ben Posted June 2, 2021 Share Posted June 2, 2021 Just now, Kaizero said: I actually dislike him quite a bit. My Norwegian team is Rosenborg. I just dislike people not being logical more. Do you think Ole is the best manager Man U could possible hire right now ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kaizero Posted June 2, 2021 Share Posted June 2, 2021 1 minute ago, joeyt said: With a club who had never played in the Bundesliga before he was appointed... I'm just going off the requirements listed by posters on here when it comes to being good enough to be appointed to a "big" club. My entire point is that it wasn't wrong of Dortmund to appoint Klopp, yet following the logic given around OGS that would've been a horrible decision by Dortmund. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
joeyt Posted June 2, 2021 Share Posted June 2, 2021 He certainly wasn't appointed as BVB manager on less merit though which seemed to be one of your points Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kaizero Posted June 2, 2021 Share Posted June 2, 2021 Just now, Ben said: Do you think Ole is the best manager Man U could possible hire right now ? How do you quantify "best"? I think there are a lot of "better" managers than Ole in the world, as well as managers with tons more heavy honors to their name they could appoint. Do I think any of them suit Man Utd better at the moment? Not really. Do I believe there are better managers than Rafa out there? Yes. I still want Rafa, he suits NUFC to a tee. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ben Posted June 2, 2021 Share Posted June 2, 2021 Just now, Kaizero said: How do you quantify "best"? I think there are a lot of "better" managers than Ole in the world, as well as managers with tons more heavy honors to their name they could appoint. Do I think any of them suit Man Utd better at the moment? Not really. Do I believe there are better managers than Rafa out there? Yes. I still want Rafa, he suits NUFC to a tee. Fair do's Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Jinx Posted June 2, 2021 Share Posted June 2, 2021 Not getting the hate for OGS, more so by their own fans. They've just had a very decent season, especially how they finished it. People like Pogba looking interested again. The post Ferguson hangover was always going to be brutal for them and they slipped to be an almost unrecognisable side to what they were. It’s a long way back from that.. managers with better cv’s on paper couldn’t do it (LVG, Jose) but OGS has done well imo.. they need season on season improvements to be real challengers again. It’s small increments at this point. 2/3 good signings. The supporters are the issue here, feel absolutely entitled to be winning silverware with absolutely no cop on that they had a once in a century institution in Ferguson, who didn’t have to deal with a league that was as competitive in the early 90’s, he had time to build that up that they aren’t prepared to give to anyone else. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Prophet Posted June 2, 2021 Share Posted June 2, 2021 (edited) As I've expressed, I feel logically Man United could do a lot better. That's just my opinion, but I'm not claiming it's a fact and calling anyone who disagrees an idiot. Edited June 2, 2021 by The Prophet Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Froggy Posted June 2, 2021 Share Posted June 2, 2021 4 minutes ago, Kaizero said: How do you quantify "best"? I think there are a lot of "better" managers than Ole in the world, as well as managers with tons more heavy honors to their name they could appoint. Do I think any of them suit Man Utd better at the moment? Not really. Do I believe there are better managers than Rafa out there? Yes. I still want Rafa, he suits NUFC to a tee. We should get Jose in. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Froggy Posted June 2, 2021 Share Posted June 2, 2021 (edited) 3 minutes ago, Dr Jinx said: Not getting the hate for OGS, more so by their own fans. They've just had a very decent season, especially how they finished it. People like Pogba looking interested again. The post Ferguson hangover was always going to be brutal for them and they slipped to be an almost unrecognisable side to what they were. It’s a long way back from that.. managers with better cv’s on paper couldn’t do it (LVG, Jose) but OGS has done well imo.. they need season on season improvements to be real challengers again. It’s small increments at this point. 2/3 good signings. The supporters are the issue here, feel absolutely entitled to be winning silverware with absolutely no cop on that they had a once in a century institution in Ferguson, who didn’t have to deal with a league that was as competitive in the early 90’s, he had time to build that up that they aren’t prepared to give to anyone else. I feel like it's our supporters who aren't entitled. The vast majority want Ole in. It's opposition fans who make a mockery of him and say we should get a better manager. We are trying to build something special with a club legend who understands the club inside and out. It may not work, but he is getting the time he deserved and he is improving. If Ole is still in a job this time next year, we will have had a trophy winning season, or at least ran the league winners to the absolute wire. Edited June 2, 2021 by Froggy Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kaizero Posted June 2, 2021 Share Posted June 2, 2021 1 minute ago, The Prophet said: As I've expressed, I feel logically Man United could do a lot better. That's just my opinion, but I'm not claiming it's a fact and calling anyone who disagrees an idiot. You're not explaining the logic though. If you had just said it's opinion, sure. That's why I'm discussing this in the first place, to showcase that it is opinion and not the facts of the matter. I've utilized stats and circumstances to back up my point. I don't say I know for sure there's no manager out there that wouldn't do better, I'm just saying the critique aimed at OGS is absolute overkill given the actual situation. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Jinx Posted June 2, 2021 Share Posted June 2, 2021 1 minute ago, Froggy said: I feel like it's our supporters who aren't entitled. The vast majority want Ole in. It's opposition fans who make a mockery of him and say we should get a better manager. We a I’ve seen plenty of Man Utd supporters bitch and moan about him, especially the day after the Europa final. Couldn’t believe what I was seeing to be honest. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Froggy Posted June 2, 2021 Share Posted June 2, 2021 (edited) 2 minutes ago, Dr Jinx said: I’ve seen plenty of Man Utd supporters bitch and moan about him, especially the day after the Europa final. Couldn’t believe what I was seeing to be honest. There are a lot of Man Utd fans. You will see plenty of morons. I know a Newcastle Utd fan who thinks Bruce is doing a good job. Trust me, the vast majority want Ole in, and would be absolutely overjoyed if he were to be a trophy winning manager of the club. His legendary status won't stop him coming under fire if it all goes to shit though. We're getting closer, and won't let the progress grind to a halt. Edited June 2, 2021 by Froggy Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Jinx Posted June 2, 2021 Share Posted June 2, 2021 3 minutes ago, Froggy said: There are a lot of Man Utd fans. You will see plenty of morons. I know a Newcastle Utd fan who thinks Bruce is doing a good job. Trust me, the vast majority want Ole in, and would be absolutely overjoyed if he were to be a trophy winning manager of the club. His legendary status won't stop him coming under fire if it all goes to shit though. We're getting closer, and won't let the progress grind to a halt. I've seen them too! Side topic question, how did you end up being a regular poster on this board? ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kaizero Posted June 2, 2021 Share Posted June 2, 2021 4 minutes ago, Froggy said: There are a lot of Man Utd fans. You will see plenty of morons. I know a Newcastle Utd fan who thinks Bruce is doing a good job. Trust me, the vast majority want Ole in, and would be absolutely overjoyed if he were to be a trophy winning manager of the club. His legendary status won't stop him coming under fire if it all goes to shit though. We're getting closer, and won't let the progress grind to a halt. A deciding moment would be, should it come to it, who you appoint after OGS. You'd need someone who could build on the feelgood factor he's added to the club and the general Sir Alex-ness of the day-to-day. Who'd you go for, and who do you think the board would go for? Just go with anyone as who knows who might be available next year or so on. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Froggy Posted June 2, 2021 Share Posted June 2, 2021 Just now, Dr Jinx said: I've seen them too! Side topic question, how did you end up being a regular poster on this board? ? @Deckyis a good friend of mine. Told me how good the forum was, the chat and game section in particular. Signed up. 11 years later... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kaizero Posted June 2, 2021 Share Posted June 2, 2021 1 minute ago, Dr Jinx said: I've seen them too! Side topic question, how did you end up being a regular poster on this board? ? Ask @Decky Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Recommended Posts