Guest Posted January 15, 2013 Share Posted January 15, 2013 This season has a lot of hallmarks of a side that could get relegated. We should of had Remy in the bag for as soon as the window opened. We dithered and QPR got the time they needed to gazump us. Still need two centre backs and a striker. All have to be quality first team players. If we fail to do that it will cement us to a bottom 5 finish where we may go down. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Tyson Posted January 15, 2013 Share Posted January 15, 2013 Jonas will be shoehorned in there somehow - probably in for Marveux. Don't write off his capability to get Shola in there as well. It's not ideal and this has more to do with Pardzilla's attacking philosophy . But given the long-ball delivery into the forward line, Cisse is probably better off on the wing (or on the edge of a front 3) with the license to drift/ghost into the box off-the-ball. Cisse doesn't have the tools (ie. Ba's explosiveness) to win the goalside position , turning 50/50's into genuine snapshot opportunities, see Ba. Give Shola what is a thankless task (under Pardzilla) of wrestling with the centrehalves. Anchoring the forward line, in the manner perscribed on the weekend, will further destroy a footballer (certainly above Pardzilla's station of understanding) who is grasping for a glimmer of hope, in a system which is foreign to him. Of course the downside of this (because of Cisse's natural instinct to drift in, and barely cover the fb ) - it makes for a tough PL induction for Debuchy. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nufc4eva Posted January 15, 2013 Share Posted January 15, 2013 Jonas will be shoehorned in there somehow - probably in for Marveux. Don't write off his capability to get Shola in there as well. It's not ideal and this has more to do with Pardzilla's attacking philosophy . But given the long-ball delivery into the forward line, Cisse is probably better off on the wing (or on the edge of a front 3) with the license to drift/ghost into the box off-the-ball. Cisse doesn't have the tools (ie. Ba's explosiveness) to win the goalside position , turning 50/50's into genuine snapshot opportunities, see Ba. Give Shola what is a thankless task (under Pardzilla) of wrestling with the centrehalves. Anchoring the forward line, in the manner perscribed on the weekend, will further destroy a footballer (certainly above Pardzilla's station of understanding) who is grasping for a glimmer of hope, in a system which is foreign to him. Of course the downside of this (because of Cisse's natural instinct to drift in, and barely cover the fb ) - it makes for a tough PL induction for Debuchy. If he wants to play that way I would be seriously tempted to play ranger up front as he is actually useful in the air, Shola is not and never has been any good in the air Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elliottman Posted January 15, 2013 Share Posted January 15, 2013 I might possibly take a relegation if it meant Ashley selling up like. Possibly. No. I dont ever want to experience relegation again. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlanSkÃrare Posted January 15, 2013 Share Posted January 15, 2013 Not relegation. That Championship season turned out to be bearable because we had the perfect squad for that sort of season. This time would be different. It would transform us into a Championship club. It would be disastrous. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nufc4eva Posted January 15, 2013 Share Posted January 15, 2013 I might possibly take a relegation if it meant Ashley selling up like. Possibly. No. I dont ever want to experience relegation again. You may want to close your eyes now then - it's scary shit where we are right now and there is a real possibility we will experience that league again, it was fun the last time round but not something I want to experience again tbh Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cp40 Posted January 15, 2013 Share Posted January 15, 2013 Not relegation. That Championship season turned out to be bearable because we had the perfect squad for that sort of season. This time would be different. It would transform us into a Championship club. It would be disastrous. this is my fear- we sacked all the players that dug us out the shit last time. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmojorisin75 Posted January 15, 2013 Share Posted January 15, 2013 don't worry lads, alan will be about to manage the transition and ensure continuity Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ATB Posted January 15, 2013 Share Posted January 15, 2013 I´m starting to feel that the only way we are going to win matches is to play 4-4-2 with long ball at Shola and a hard working midfield with Jonas. It hurts so bad to say that. But I think that the only chance we have. We can´t, Pardew can´t, win in another way. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Tyson Posted January 15, 2013 Share Posted January 15, 2013 Jonas will be shoehorned in there somehow - probably in for Marveux. Don't write off his capability to get Shola in there as well. It's not ideal and this has more to do with Pardzilla's attacking philosophy . But given the long-ball delivery into the forward line, Cisse is probably better off on the wing (or on the edge of a front 3) with the license to drift/ghost into the box off-the-ball. Cisse doesn't have the tools (ie. Ba's explosiveness) to win the goalside position , turning 50/50's into genuine snapshot opportunities, see Ba. Give Shola what is a thankless task (under Pardzilla) of wrestling with the centrehalves. Anchoring the forward line, in the manner perscribed on the weekend, will further destroy a footballer (certainly above Pardzilla's station of understanding) who is grasping for a glimmer of hope, in a system which is foreign to him. Of course the downside of this (because of Cisse's natural instinct to drift in, and barely cover the fb ) - it makes for a tough PL induction for Debuchy. If he wants to play that way I would be seriously tempted to play ranger up front as he is actually useful in the air, Shola is not and never has been any good in the air Aye, i forgot about Ranger & what he actually offers. Arguably the best case scenario (ie. His inclusion) in what is a shocking attacking dynamic, given Pardzilla's lack of trust in & inability to coach a fluid pass&move brand of footy. It's not the ideal learning environment for the youngsters ie. Ranger & Adam Campbell. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmojorisin75 Posted January 15, 2013 Share Posted January 15, 2013 I´m starting to feel that the only way we are going to win matches is to play 4-4-2 with long ball at Shola and a hard working midfield with Jonas. It hurts so bad to say that. But I think that the only chance we have. We can´t, Pardew can´t, win in another way. this is probably the right answer, revert back to his only real defined plan and try to 1-0 our way to the end of the season Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Venkman Posted January 15, 2013 Share Posted January 15, 2013 I might possibly take a relegation if it meant Ashley selling up like. Possibly. ashley just needs to cotton on that a good manager could save him money in the long run and that pardew is not a good manager pick up the phone, ring someone up who knows something about football and ask them who is a better manager who can work in the system...i honestly think it's as simple as that, as much as i believe he could/should spend more i don't think it's the be all and end all, a semi-competent manager would have had us nowhere near this mess imo I agree, Ashley seems to make more bad decisions than good though, they tend to add up over time. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted January 15, 2013 Share Posted January 15, 2013 I have absolutely no doubt that we would end up with someone worse than Ashley. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldtype Posted January 15, 2013 Share Posted January 15, 2013 I have absolutely no doubt that we would end up with someone worse than Ashley. Absolutely. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
brummie Posted January 15, 2013 Share Posted January 15, 2013 The last few games, it has become pretty clear to me that we are going down. I still believe in what Lambert is trying to do, but it's too much, too soon. It's like the Tories and the economy. I can see they need to do something with spending, but the rapidity of it is doing huge damage. I fear we will have to go down before we really start to improve. Too many youngsters, heads drop too easily, and they're nigh on impossible to lift after a bad sequence of results. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted January 15, 2013 Share Posted January 15, 2013 The last few games, it has become pretty clear to me that we are going down. I still believe in what Lambert is trying to do, but it's too much, too soon. It's like the Tories and the economy. I can see they need to do something with spending, but the rapidity of it is doing huge damage. I fear we will have to go down before we really start to improve. Too many youngsters, heads drop too easily, and they're nigh on impossible to lift after a bad sequence of results. Have you any idea what he's thinking, doing it so drastically, and sticking with it when he's losing every week? From the outside it seems mental. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
brummie Posted January 15, 2013 Share Posted January 15, 2013 He doesn't know what he's doing. Admittedly, we've been let down by higher paid players who haven't delivered under this manager as they didn't under the last, but it's way too much too soon. The concept is sound enough. It's the execution of it that is wrong. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted January 15, 2013 Share Posted January 15, 2013 The freezing out of Bent seems wilfully self-destructive as well. If Lambert did whatever it took to keep him happy he would surely get a vital 10-15 goals for you this season, and be worth more when he's sold. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lotus Posted January 15, 2013 Share Posted January 15, 2013 The last few games, it has become pretty clear to me that we are going down. I still believe in what Lambert is trying to do, but it's too much, too soon. It's like the Tories and the economy. I can see they need to do something with spending, but the rapidity of it is doing huge damage. I fear we will have to go down before we really start to improve. Too many youngsters, heads drop too easily, and they're nigh on impossible to lift after a bad sequence of results. Think you'll manage to hold on to Benteke and Weiss? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
brummie Posted January 15, 2013 Share Posted January 15, 2013 The last few games, it has become pretty clear to me that we are going down. I still believe in what Lambert is trying to do, but it's too much, too soon. It's like the Tories and the economy. I can see they need to do something with spending, but the rapidity of it is doing huge damage. I fear we will have to go down before we really start to improve. Too many youngsters, heads drop too easily, and they're nigh on impossible to lift after a bad sequence of results. Think you'll manage to hold on to Benteke and Weiss? Weimann you mean? Yes. Not Benteke, though. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldtype Posted January 15, 2013 Share Posted January 15, 2013 At the end of the day I suppose the best way of avoiding the two poles of suicidal tendencies and apathy is to remind yourself that regardless of what happens to the overall fortunes of the club, you'll always have 11 lads in the shirt to support on a Saturday morning. This year is more painful for me because last year made me hope that we might actually be going places. Need to condition myself to take my eyes off the big picture and focus on each game again. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
brummie Posted January 15, 2013 Share Posted January 15, 2013 The freezing out of Bent seems wilfully self-destructive as well. If Lambert did whatever it took to keep him happy he would surely get a vital 10-15 goals for you this season, and be worth more when he's sold. I can see why he prefers Weimann and Benteke, but people go on about that freezing out, whilst forgetting Lambert actually made him captain at one point, and that he's been out with a couple of injuries, too. Bent not playing isn't our problem. Our major problem is a dreadfully lightweight midfield, which allows pressure to be put on the defence, which is also lightweight and inexperienced. If in this window we sign at least a tough central midfielder, a left back and maybe a CB too, we'll stay up. If we don't, we are done for. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
brummie Posted January 15, 2013 Share Posted January 15, 2013 This year is more painful for me because last year made me hope that we might actually be going places. As a casual observer, I really do not get what happened there. How did such a good side go to being so mediocre, so quickly? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldtype Posted January 15, 2013 Share Posted January 15, 2013 This year is more painful for me because last year made me hope that we might actually be going places. As a casual observer, I really do not get what happened there. How did such a good side go to being so mediocre, so quickly? I don't either. From the first day of the season you could tell very quickly that things weren't going to click like they did last year. Didn't think it was going to crash to this extent though. Also, calling us "mediocre" is excessively charitable. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExiledGeordie Posted January 15, 2013 Share Posted January 15, 2013 As a casual observer, I really do not get what happened there. How did such a good side go to being so mediocre, so quickly? Board failed to strengthen with players from a point of strength to keep the momentum going. Been very unlucky with injuries whereas last season apart from Taylor we were very lucky. Too many players playing poorly and a manager who even at times with the better players in the side has seemed clueless this season and lacking ideas.........let alone when we're reduced to all the backups. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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