Guest reefatoon Posted June 16, 2021 Share Posted June 16, 2021 4 minutes ago, gdm said: Caulkin who we know talks to both Staveley & Rafa writing it in a reputable outlet like the Athletic is a little more substantial than interpreting a De Marco tweet and someone’s mate’s barber ffs. Mon tae fuck man, it’s vastly different It is no indication at all that the takeover isn’t happening though. It’s believing selected things to back up a position you have. It’s the same thing you vilify other people for. The takeover won’t be decided on if Rafa goes to Everton. Nobody knows if he is their main target or anything. Like everything else, it’s all just pure speculation. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manxst Posted June 16, 2021 Share Posted June 16, 2021 10 minutes ago, gdm said: Very widely reported. Sure caulkin said it too, I’m sure he talks to both sides. Add the fact Rafa been in constant contact with Newcastle players etc. It’s also been reported that the consortium has had other manager targets, including Paulo Fonseca. Until something definite happens either way, everything is obviously rumours. You so seem to sway towards any negativity surrounding the takeover though, despite always protesting innocence. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wandy Posted June 16, 2021 Share Posted June 16, 2021 I'd be very surprised if Rafa went to Everton. He is very media savvy so I think he is just using the "talks" to keep his name high profile. I doubt if either party is serious about the appointment happening. One thing is for sure though, Evertonians are almost unanimously opposed to it. If he wants a long term project he'd be looking at the wrong club IMO. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gdm Posted June 16, 2021 Share Posted June 16, 2021 8 minutes ago, reefatoon said: It is no indication at all that the takeover isn’t happening though. It’s believing selected things to back up a position you have. It’s the same thing you vilify other people for. The takeover won’t be decided on if Rafa goes to Everton. Nobody knows if he is their main target or anything. Like everything else, it’s all just pure speculation. I haven’t said it indicates the takeover isn’t happening tho have i? I’ve said it’s not close like being are getting carried away with Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gdm Posted June 16, 2021 Share Posted June 16, 2021 (edited) 53 minutes ago, gdm said: It’s as I expect, ignoring all the bullshit and supposed confidence we are where we have always been - Waiting on the result of arbitration which really could go either way I say here which you and manxst chose to ignore. It could still go either way Edited June 16, 2021 by gdm Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yorkie Posted June 16, 2021 Share Posted June 16, 2021 I don't think Rafa going elsewhere necessarily tells us anything about our takeover. Though I'm sure he'd happily return and could be monitoring the situation, even in contact with the would-be owners, I must admit that the notion that he's waiting just for us has always seemed a bit far-fetched to me. Everton would be a great move for him, particularly given his personal circumstances. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gdm Posted June 16, 2021 Share Posted June 16, 2021 (edited) 18 minutes ago, Manxst said: It’s also been reported that the consortium has had other manager targets, including Paulo Fonseca. Until something definite happens either way, everything is obviously rumours. You so seem to sway towards any negativity surrounding the takeover though, despite always protesting innocence. Just coz I don’t get giddy about a de Marco tweet and take a realistic view on it means I sway towards negativity? Ok cool. For months I’ve been reading the giddy ones like manor park telling us rafa is waiting it out, Rafa won’t take another job coz the takeover happening. Well he’s talking to other clubs and me pointing it out makes me negative then fair enough. I’ll repeat I stand where I’ve always stood it’s with arbitration and until they decide what’s happening then we just won’t know. Ashley can be as confident as he likes, I’m sure he’s been confident on red many a time and it’s came up black Edited June 16, 2021 by gdm Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thumbheed Posted June 16, 2021 Share Posted June 16, 2021 Aye, don't think Rafa going elsewhere is indicative of anything takeover wise. At the end if the day the man's ultimately a professionas, so he's got a choice to go to a cloob which fits his profile now or wait it out for a takeover to go through (or not) at a time where the likelihood of other suitable jobs being available should the takeover not go through is minimal. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Prophet Posted June 16, 2021 Share Posted June 16, 2021 2 minutes ago, jonbobson said: My thoughts are that, if it all gets sorted, then Martinez is incoming once the Euro's are done. That'd be pretty underwhelming. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joey Linton Posted June 16, 2021 Share Posted June 16, 2021 1 minute ago, The Prophet said: That'd be pretty underwhelming. Even if he'd just won it? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manxst Posted June 16, 2021 Share Posted June 16, 2021 2 minutes ago, gdm said: Just coz I don’t get giddy about a de Marco tweet and take a realistic view on it means I sway towards negativity? Ok cool. For months I’ve been reading the giddy ones like manor park telling us rafa is waiting it out, Rafa won’t take another job coz the takeover happening. Well he’s talking to other clubs and me pointing it out makes me negative then fair enough. I’ll repeat I’m stand where I’ve always stood it’s with arbitration and until they decide what’s happening then we just won’t know. Ashley can be as confident as he likes, I’m sure he’s been confident on red many a time and it’s came up black Only a select few get ‘giddy’, as you quaintly phrase it, over the tweets etc. As far as I can see, you just constantly prey on the possibly negative side. Imo. Stand where you want. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Prophet Posted June 16, 2021 Share Posted June 16, 2021 Just now, Joey Linton said: Even if he'd just won it? He's shown at Wigan and Everton he's not great at club management. It would certainly prove he's a decent tournament manager though (along with the FA Cup). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gdm Posted June 16, 2021 Share Posted June 16, 2021 (edited) 2 minutes ago, Manxst said: Only a select few get ‘giddy’, as you quaintly phrase it, over the tweets etc. As far as I can see, you just constantly prey on the possibly negative side. Imo. Stand where you want. You perceive it to be negative that’s your problem not mine. I’ve repeatedly said no one knows what way it’s gonna go not even the people on either side so what’s the point getting excited about silly rumour only to be let down again. if you don’t like my cautious realistic down the middle stance then again tough shit that’s your problem not mine Edited June 16, 2021 by gdm Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gdm Posted June 16, 2021 Share Posted June 16, 2021 5 minutes ago, Thumbheed said: Aye, don't think Rafa going elsewhere is indicative of anything takeover wise. At the end if the day the man's ultimately a professionas, so he's got a choice to go to a cloob which fits his profile now or wait it out for a takeover to go through (or not) at a time where the likelihood of other suitable jobs being available should the takeover not go through is minimal. That’s pretty much all I was trying to say. If it was as close as Bruce being told to look for a new job then I’m sure Rafa would have had a whisper that it’s on. I’m not for a min saying it won’t happen but it’s far from done Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manxst Posted June 16, 2021 Share Posted June 16, 2021 8 minutes ago, gdm said: You perceive it to be negative that’s your problem not mine. I’ve repeatedly said no one knows what way it’s gonna go not even the people on either side so what’s the point getting excited about silly rumour only to be let down again. if you don’t like my cautious realistic down the middle stance then again tough shit that’s your problem not mine The fact you stated “Just the fact he’s in talks with them isn’t a great sign for the takeover tbh.” is negative and not at all “cautious realistic”. The consortium will undoubtedly be professional enough to scout ALL potential managers and have a short list rather than be reliant on Rafa singly. As I’ve mentioned, the press have stated they were also keen on Fonseca. Even if Rafa does go to Everton, it means nothing with regards to the takeover- things will progress and move on, and amazingly, we’ll end up with a manager who isn’t Rafa- he isn’t the be all and end all here. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thumbheed Posted June 16, 2021 Share Posted June 16, 2021 (edited) I'm personally not invested in the idea of a settlement. Think this takeover depends entirely on the outcome of the arbritation case which could be nearly a couple of months till we hear of a decision. Edited June 16, 2021 by Thumbheed Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gdm Posted June 16, 2021 Share Posted June 16, 2021 (edited) 12 minutes ago, Manxst said: The fact you stated “Just the fact he’s in talks with them isn’t a great sign for the takeover tbh.” is negative and not at all “cautious realistic”. The consortium will undoubtedly be professional enough to scout ALL potential managers and have a short list rather than be reliant on Rafa singly. As I’ve mentioned, the press have stated they were also keen on Fonseca. Even if Rafa does go to Everton, it means nothing with regards to the takeover- things will progress and move on, and amazingly, we’ll end up with a manager who isn’t Rafa- he isn’t the be all and end all here. I agree with you. Rafa isn’t the be all and end all. All I’m saying was it’s not as close as people were getting excited about or I’m sure Rafa would have been tipped off. He’s obviously not prepared to wait for the result of arbitration when there are good options out there Edited June 16, 2021 by gdm Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest reefatoon Posted June 16, 2021 Share Posted June 16, 2021 @gdm It’s a shame you deleted the part where you said you posted it just to have a dig at the positive people. Spoke volumes that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gdm Posted June 16, 2021 Share Posted June 16, 2021 (edited) 3 minutes ago, reefatoon said: @gdm It’s a shame you deleted the part where you said you posted it just to have a dig at the positive people. Spoke volumes that. Not really. I can’t find the manor park post where yet again he posted as fact that Rafa would wait and Rafa was going nowhere. that’s what I was having a dig at. He’s a troll he doesn’t post on any other thread on the forum. yet I constantly get shit for being realistic. Seems you get away with talking utter shit on here as long as it’s positive. It’s tiresome but I deleted it coz it’s largely irrelevant Edited June 16, 2021 by gdm Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris_R Posted June 16, 2021 Share Posted June 16, 2021 2 minutes ago, gdm said: Not really. I can’t find the manor park post where yet again he posted as fact that Rafa would wait and Rafa was going nowhere. that’s what I was having a dig at. He’s a troll he doesn’t post on any other thread on the forum. yet I constantly get shit for being realistic. Seems you get away with talking utter shit on here as long as it’s positive. It’s tiresome but I deleted it coz it’s largely irrelevant Yeah I got absolutely rinsed for going into the "positive" thread and dropping some realism, yet they seem fine to invade here with their baseless hype. In fact its even getting to the point where realism in the realism thread is frowned upon. There has to be a place for people to be realistic or even sceptical, and not just those who run round shouting "#CANS" and "WAIT!!!" all the time, surely? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gdm Posted June 16, 2021 Share Posted June 16, 2021 (edited) 13 minutes ago, Chris_R said: Yeah I got absolutely rinsed for going into the "positive" thread and dropping some realism, yet they seem fine to invade here with their baseless hype. In fact its even getting to the point where realism in the realism thread is frowned upon. There has to be a place for people to be realistic or even sceptical, and not just those who run round shouting "#CANS" and "WAIT!!!" all the time, surely? It really is a bizarre time when a guys tweet gets creepily dissected so that it just happens to have a link to the takeover in their minds and it barely gets questioned yet as you say saying some sceptical or realistic but not even particularly negative gets jumped on & ripped apart I really wish I knew or had some sort of indication on what way arbitration will go but i don’t. No one does. Edited June 16, 2021 by gdm Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NE27 Posted June 16, 2021 Share Posted June 16, 2021 The in-depth De Marco stuff is most definitely a case of finding things you want to see in nothing. But i still firmly believe he has, at some point (Brown ale etc.) gave some weird nods to this whole thing. I expect nothing less from a fanbase who monitor air space and now the high seas for potential signs, its a crease Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gdm Posted June 16, 2021 Share Posted June 16, 2021 (edited) 3 minutes ago, NE27 said: The in-depth De Marco stuff is most definitely a case of finding things you want to see in nothing. But i still firmly believe he has, at some point (Brown ale etc.) gave some weird nods to this whole thing. I expect nothing less from a fanbase who monitor air space and now the high seas for potential signs, its a crease It’s funny and it’d be a good laugh if people were joking but they are deadly serious oh look he’s looking at the word green in a reflection whatever could that mean. Fuckin bonkers that stuff is ok tho but don’t dare say Rafa talking to Everton may suggest the takeover isn’t that close Edited June 16, 2021 by gdm Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bishops Finger Posted June 16, 2021 Share Posted June 16, 2021 1 minute ago, NE27 said: The in-depth De Marco stuff is most definitely a case of finding things you want to see in nothing. But i still firmly believe he has, at some point (Brown ale etc.) gave some weird nods to this whole thing. I expect nothing less from a fanbase who monitor air space and now the high seas for potential signs, its a crease Yeah, hope does strange things to people. But when it's all you've got you have to cling onto it. The reality that Ashley and Bruce could still be here this time next season is to much to take Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NE27 Posted June 16, 2021 Share Posted June 16, 2021 Just now, Bishops Finger said: Yeah, hope does strange things to people. But when it's all you've got you have to cling onto it. The reality that Ashley and Bruce could still be here this time next season is to much to take I've been practicing escapism in regards to NUFC for years now Ashley is a hell of a drug. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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