manorpark Posted June 16, 2021 Share Posted June 16, 2021 5 minutes ago, gdm said: I’ll play along… what abilities? And what information gives you this logical clear conclusion? please please don’t say “look who Ashley has on his side in court for him” You ask me to answer, then you tell me that I cannot use (at least one) part of the obvious answer. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gdm Posted June 16, 2021 Share Posted June 16, 2021 Just now, SweMag said: Haha. Wow. I look forward to the end of you Fantail Breeze, Joe Linton, Judge Holden or whatever you’re called when this takeover goes through. He’s not wrong tho? Ashley & staveley have been confident the whole way thru and here we are a year and bit down the line with Ashley still as owner. To be honest I’m fuckin sick of hearing about confidence Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
manorpark Posted June 16, 2021 Share Posted June 16, 2021 6 minutes ago, Fantail Breeze said: Absolutely. I don’t doubt those involved have confidence in their ability to succeed - but the PL and their team also have confidence in their ability too. A bit like I have confidence in my ability to have sex with Ariana Grande… doesn’t mean it’s going to happen. It's not worth it mate! However, on your first point, "having confidence in your ability" is a diametrically different situation to "having the ability". You have helped prove my point. Just look at ALL the people involved on both sides (not just the legals) and the respective differences are M A S S I V E Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gdm Posted June 16, 2021 Share Posted June 16, 2021 (edited) 9 minutes ago, manorpark said: You ask me to answer, then you tell me that I cannot use (at least one) part of the obvious answer. Because it’s a fuckin nonsense. Do you think the PL are going in to this with some wet behind the ears rookie? They will have an impressive legal team behind them too. As impressive as De Marco is facts and evidence will win this case not who is presenting them and we know next to nothing about the facts and evidence of this case. if that’s why you are so confident it’s laughable. anyway apologies to all. No one wants to read this shite. I’ll leave you too your delusion Edited June 16, 2021 by gdm Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris_R Posted June 16, 2021 Share Posted June 16, 2021 28 minutes ago, manorpark said: It certainly isn't a 50 / 50 split of possibile outcomes, nothing like it! I guess that in reality, there's only one possible outcome. Like when a coin is tossed into the air, its landing position is not known yet. But it is already either 100% heads or 100% tails, because everything is already in motion. But we still say the outcome is 50/50 because we have no idea how it will land, we are unable to tell. Same applies here. There's nothing we can do to influence the outcome, the wheels are already in motion. The outcome really is pre-determined in that respect but we don't (despite whatever you might say) know what it will be. It's therefore entirely reasonable to simplify that to 50/50 because as fans we're only concerned with 2 possible outcomes - Takeover or No Takeover. Yes there are other niche things that might come out of it - compensation to Ashley with no takeover etc, but we really don't care as fans. It's Yes or No that we care about to the takeover happening. 2 outcomes we care about. And from a scientific perspective, when you have 2 things which you have NO basis on which to decide which one is more likely (Hint: That's now), you have to assume their chances are equal - you have no information on which to base a judgement on. Which is EXACTLY how we are now; you (and I, and everyone else) has NO information on how likely each side is to prevail. We're not lawyers. We've seen none of the evidence. We're not involved AT ALL. You can claim you think it's 99/1 in favour of the takeover or whatever other waffle drifts around your head, but you're outright lying to yourself, you are living a lie. Which is fine, carry on. Your life, live the lie if you want. I really don't care what you do. But please understand that it angers people when you come in here, look us in the eye and lie to us too. It's tiring, insulting to people's intelligence and not welcome. So back to the original point, yes scientifically it must be dealt with as 50/50 as far as outside observers with no information are concerned, when there are only 2 outcomes we care about with no proof of which is more likely. That's how maths works. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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SweMag Posted June 16, 2021 Share Posted June 16, 2021 7 minutes ago, gdm said: He’s not wrong tho? Ashley & staveley have been confident the whole way thru and here we are a year and bit down the line with Ashley still as owner. To be honest I’m fuckin sick of hearing about confidence Of course they are confident. Why wouldn’t they be? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jinky Jim Posted June 16, 2021 Share Posted June 16, 2021 1 hour ago, Chris_R said: What is currently known is that there's arbitration and court cases going on. You have absolutely no idea about the outcome of these. Nobody does. Not even De Marco. We may win (I hope we do), or we may not. Keep your outright refusal to even acknowledge 50% of the possible outcomes of those cases to the other thread, whatever you want to call it, so the grown-ups can talk in here. Got no problem with all your reasoning behind your doubts about takeover, every chance you may be right, but I do object to the suggestion that anyone who posts in the positivism thread cannot discuss the takeover like”grown ups”…don’t tar your prejudice, just because you don’t like the posts in there. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gdm Posted June 16, 2021 Share Posted June 16, 2021 5 minutes ago, SweMag said: Of course they are confident. Why wouldn’t they be? It’s said the PL are also confident? Why wouldn’t they be? That’s what he’s saying confidence hasn’t done us any good so far Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fantail Breeze Posted June 16, 2021 Share Posted June 16, 2021 31 minutes ago, SweMag said: Haha. Wow. I look forward to the end of you Fantail Breeze, Joe Linton, Judge Holden or whatever you’re called when this takeover goes through. Why would I go anywhere? I’d be delighted for the takeover to go through. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bishops Finger Posted June 16, 2021 Share Posted June 16, 2021 Some poor sod is going to come home from a hard days work later and decide to have a look on the forum and see there's been loads of new posts on the takeover thread, get a bit excited, only to discover 30 minutes later (which he/she will never get back) of reading through all the posts realise it just the usual crew having there weekly spat. Same old bullshit constantly Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slim Posted June 16, 2021 Share Posted June 16, 2021 Tbh dunno where people are getting this confidence from tje premier league crack. Litteraly all they have done is try and delay. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gdm Posted June 16, 2021 Share Posted June 16, 2021 Just now, Slim said: Tbh dunno where people are getting this confidence from tje premier league crack. Litteraly all they have done is try and delay. If they weren’t confident they’d try come up an agreement surely? Something that mutually beneficial Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gdm Posted June 16, 2021 Share Posted June 16, 2021 2 minutes ago, Bishops Finger said: Some poor sod is going to come home from a hard days work later and decide to have a look on the forum and see there's been loads of new posts on the takeover thread, get a bit excited, only to discover 30 minutes later (which he/she will never get back) of reading through all the posts realise it just the usual crew having there weekly spat. Same old bullshit constantly There is pages and pages of pointless shit on this forum not just limited to the takeover thread. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fantail Breeze Posted June 16, 2021 Share Posted June 16, 2021 (edited) 12 minutes ago, Bishops Finger said: Some poor sod is going to come home from a hard days work later and decide to have a look on the forum and see there's been loads of new posts on the takeover thread, get a bit excited, only to discover 30 minutes later (which he/she will never get back) of reading through all the posts realise it just the usual crew having there weekly spat. Same old bullshit constantly People wouldn’t have to same discussions if people didn’t continue to post bullshit rumours, Twitter drivel and photos from De Marco analysed to the nth degree. There’s a separate thread for that. People got all high and mighty about the other thread and relentlessly whinged on about anyone who went into there with any sense/realism. Now everyone stopped going into that thread to engage with them, it seems they post it all in here and whinge about the same thing. Edited June 16, 2021 by Fantail Breeze Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SweMag Posted June 16, 2021 Share Posted June 16, 2021 13 minutes ago, Fantail Breeze said: I’d be delighted for the takeover to go through. I absolutely doubt that. Anyone who thinks Ben Jacobs and Luke Edwards are top of the ”ITK list” regarding the takeover are either a troll or has mental issues. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris_R Posted June 16, 2021 Share Posted June 16, 2021 16 minutes ago, Jinky Jim said: Got no problem with all your reasoning behind your doubts about takeover, every chance you may be right, but I do object to the suggestion that anyone who posts in the positivism thread cannot discuss the takeover like”grown ups”…don’t tar your prejudice, just because you don’t like the posts in there. That's fair. I apologise. Clearly some of you can talk about it like grown-ups. My problem is that many people in that thread - Not all, sorry again for the generalisation - refuse to acknowledge that the failure of the takeover is even possible. It's just exhausting to even try to engage with these people. Fine though, they have their thread where they can all be like that and I'll stay out, out of respect, because it's segregated and not hurting anyone. But really it needs to stay there and not infest the rest of the board because it's not reflective of how the world actually is. There's 2 threads for a reason. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SweMag Posted June 16, 2021 Share Posted June 16, 2021 21 minutes ago, gdm said: It’s said the PL are also confident? Why wouldn’t they be? That’s what he’s saying confidence hasn’t done us any good so far Can you please post the article about the PL being confident then? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
FloydianMag Posted June 16, 2021 Share Posted June 16, 2021 2 minutes ago, SweMag said: Can you please post the article about the PL being confident then? https://sportslens.com/the-premier-league-appears-confident-of-winning-newcastle-united-litigation-amid-300m-takeover-withdrawal/349245/ But of course they’d have to say they’re confident, much like Ashley is. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gdm Posted June 16, 2021 Share Posted June 16, 2021 5 minutes ago, SweMag said: Can you please post the article about the PL being confident then? I’ve seen articles and mentioned in reporters tweets. Forum favourite Ben Jacobs has repeatedly said it. It’s all propaganda bullshit on both sides. Either side can be as confident as they like. What it comes down to is arbitration & the actual facts and evidence presented. Ignore all the noise about look who we’ve got on our team etc it’s largely irrelevant Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
manorpark Posted June 16, 2021 Share Posted June 16, 2021 59 minutes ago, gdm said: Because it’s a fuckin nonsense. Do you think the PL are going in to this with some wet behind the ears rookie? They will have an impressive legal team behind them too. As impressive as De Marco is facts and evidence will win this case not who is presenting them and we know next to nothing about the facts and evidence of this case. if that’s why you are so confident it’s laughable. anyway apologies to all. No one wants to read this shite. I’ll leave you too your delusion Back to yours, no delusions here mate. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kanj Posted June 16, 2021 Share Posted June 16, 2021 I’m glad I came on here today looking for more fun gossip only to find the same people having the exact same argument again. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SweMag Posted June 16, 2021 Share Posted June 16, 2021 5 minutes ago, FloydianMag said: https://sportslens.com/the-premier-league-appears-confident-of-winning-newcastle-united-litigation-amid-300m-takeover-withdrawal/349245/ But of course they’d have to say they’re confident, much like Ashley is. You do realise that’s from April? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bishops Finger Posted June 16, 2021 Share Posted June 16, 2021 21 minutes ago, gdm said: There is pages and pages of pointless shit on this forum not just limited to the takeover thread. Yeah but we're all hoping for a bit of good news on the takeover and when you see loads of posts it's usually either some positive or negative info been posted. There hasn't been either. If certain people are that positive about the takeover then let them be, I'm far from positive myself but I'm not letting anyone's positivity (or negativity for that matter) bother me. You can't change anyone's opinion and they've got a right to have their opinion Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gdm Posted June 16, 2021 Share Posted June 16, 2021 9 minutes ago, Chris_R said: That's fair. I apologise. Clearly some of you can talk about it like grown-ups. My problem is that many people in that thread - Not all, sorry again for the generalisation - refuse to acknowledge that the failure of the takeover is even possible. It's just exhausting to even try to engage with these people. Fine though, they have their thread where they can all be like that and I'll stay out, out of respect, because it's segregated and not hurting anyone. But really it needs to stay there and not infest the rest of the board because it's not reflective of how the world actually is. There's 2 threads for a reason. Yeah it’s not all in that thread but What I’ve noticed they moaned constantly about people going in that thread and posting non positive posts then when they got what they wanted and now that thread is quiet they jump in this one. Just merge the two threads Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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