Takeover Thread - July 1st statement, Staveley letter to Tracey Crouch (and response) in OP

[manorpark]

7 minutes ago, gdm said:

So fuckin tiresome. arbitration will be a yes or a no that’s 50/50. Are you being deliberately daft?

 

If only life was as simple as that!

 

Any 'issue' where the decision is (as yet) not finally made, will consist of (probably) thousands of variables.

 

It is very unlikely that, in the entire long history of mankind, there has ever been one single issue where those variables have been equally split "50/50". That would be a miracle!

 

 

Edited June 16, 2021 by manorpark

[gdm]

1 minute ago, manorpark said:

Any 'issue' where the decision is (as yet) not finally made, will consist of (probably) thousands of variables.

 

It is very unlikely that, in the entire long history of mankind, there has ever been one single issue where those variables have been equally split "50/50". That would be a miracle!

Exactly so you have no fuckin clue what will happen stop going on like you know it’s happening. 
but ultimately when it’s all said and done the verdict will be a yes or no 

[manorpark]

8 minutes ago, gdm said:

But manor park told us Rafa wouldn’t take another job (something he’s ignoring btw)

 

He is very unlikely to go anywhere other than here, but I also never expected Chernobyl to explode. The world is, as written above, full of variables.

[gdm]

Just now, manorpark said:

 

He is very unlikely to go anywhere other than here, but I also never expected Chernobyl to explode. The world is, as written above, full of variables.

He’s literally talking to other clubs. I’d say it’s quite likely 

[manorpark]

Just now, gdm said:

Exactly so you have no fuckin clue what will happen stop going on like you know it’s happening. 
but ultimately when it’s all said and done the verdict will be a yes or no 

 

We are all different, we all have different abilities.

 

Based on the information available to us all, I have come to certain inevitable, logical, clear conclusions.

 

As they say . . "other conclusions are available" !!!

[manorpark]

1 minute ago, gdm said:

He’s literally talking to other clubs. I’d say it’s quite likely 

 

Did he tell you that in person?

[Fantail Breeze]

Confidence has never been an issue - confidence from De Marco/Ashley/Bruce’s brother/Bruce’s sister in law/my friend’s neighbour’s cat is no different to Staveley’s confidence last summer.

 

Confidence doesn’t secure a takeover.

[manorpark]

1 minute ago, Fantail Breeze said:

Confidence has never been an issue - confidence from De Marco/Ashley/Bruce’s brother/Bruce’s sister in law/my friend’s neighbour’s cat is no different to Staveley’s confidence last summer.

 

Confidence doesn’t secure a takeover.

 

Ability does though.

[gdm]

8 minutes ago, manorpark said:

 

We are all different, we all have different abilities.

 

Based on the information available to us all, I have come to certain inevitable, logical, clear conclusions.

 

As they say . . "other conclusions are available" !!!

I’ll play along… 

 

what abilities? And what information gives you this logical clear conclusion? 
 

please please don’t say “look who Ashley has on his side in court for him”

 

 

Edited June 16, 2021 by gdm

[Fantail Breeze]

1 minute ago, manorpark said:

 

Ability does though.

 

Absolutely. I don’t doubt those involved have confidence in their ability to succeed - but the PL and their team also have confidence in their ability too.

 

A bit like I have confidence in my ability to have sex with Ariana Grande… doesn’t mean it’s going to happen.

[TheHoob]

kill iz 

[SweMag]

4 minutes ago, Fantail Breeze said:

Confidence has never been an issue - confidence from De Marco/Ashley/Bruce’s brother/Bruce’s sister in law/my friend’s neighbour’s cat is no different to Staveley’s confidence last summer.

 

Confidence doesn’t secure a takeover.

Haha. Wow. I look forward to the end of you Fantail Breeze, Joe Linton, Judge Holden or whatever you’re called when this takeover goes through.

[manorpark]

5 minutes ago, gdm said:

I’ll play along… 

 

what abilities? And what information gives you this logical clear conclusion? 
 

please please don’t say “look who Ashley has on his side in court for him”

 

 

 

 

You ask me to answer, then you tell me that I cannot use (at least one) part of the obvious answer.

[gdm]

Just now, SweMag said:

Haha. Wow. I look forward to the end of you Fantail Breeze, Joe Linton, Judge Holden or whatever you’re called when this takeover goes through.

He’s not wrong tho? Ashley & staveley have been confident the whole way thru and here we are a year and bit down the line with Ashley still as owner. To be honest I’m fuckin sick of hearing about confidence 

[manorpark]

6 minutes ago, Fantail Breeze said:

 

Absolutely. I don’t doubt those involved have confidence in their ability to succeed - but the PL and their team also have confidence in their ability too.

 

A bit like I have confidence in my ability to have sex with Ariana Grande… doesn’t mean it’s going to happen.

 

It's not worth it mate!

 

However, on your first point, "having confidence in your ability" is a diametrically different situation to "having the ability". You have helped prove my point.

 

Just look at ALL the people involved on both sides (not just the legals) and the respective differences are M A S S I V E

 

[gdm]

9 minutes ago, manorpark said:

 

You ask me to answer, then you tell me that I cannot use (at least one) part of the obvious answer.

Because it’s a fuckin nonsense. Do you think the PL are going in to this with some wet behind the ears rookie? They will have an impressive legal team behind them too. As impressive as De Marco is facts and evidence will win this case not who is presenting them and we know next to nothing about the facts and evidence of this case. 

if that’s why you are so confident it’s laughable. 
 

anyway apologies to all. No one wants to read this shite. I’ll leave you too your delusion 

 

 

Edited June 16, 2021 by gdm

[Chris_R]

28 minutes ago, manorpark said:

 

It certainly isn't a 50 / 50 split of possibile outcomes, nothing like it!

 

 

I guess that in reality, there's only one possible outcome. Like when a coin is tossed into the air, its landing position is not known yet. But it is already either 100% heads or 100% tails, because everything is already in motion. But we still say the outcome is 50/50 because we have no idea how it will land, we are unable to tell.

 

Same applies here. There's nothing we can do to influence the outcome, the wheels are already in motion. The outcome really is pre-determined in that respect but we don't (despite whatever you might say) know what it will be. It's therefore entirely reasonable to simplify that to 50/50 because as fans we're only concerned with 2 possible outcomes - Takeover or No Takeover. Yes there are other niche things that might come out of it - compensation to Ashley with no takeover etc, but we really don't care as fans. It's Yes or No that we care about to the takeover happening. 2 outcomes we care about.

 

And from a scientific perspective, when you have 2 things which you have NO basis on which to decide which one is more likely (Hint: That's now), you have to assume their chances are equal - you have no information on which to base a judgement on. Which is EXACTLY how we are now; you (and I, and everyone else) has NO information on how likely each side is to prevail. We're not lawyers. We've seen none of the evidence. We're not involved AT ALL.

 

You can claim you think it's 99/1 in favour of the takeover or whatever other waffle drifts around your head, but you're outright lying to yourself, you are living a lie. Which is fine, carry on. Your life, live the lie if you want. I really don't care what you do. But please understand that it angers people when you come in here, look us in the eye and lie to us too. It's tiring, insulting to people's intelligence and not welcome.

 

So back to the original point, yes scientifically it must be dealt with as 50/50 as far as outside observers with no information are concerned, when there are only 2 outcomes we care about with no proof of which is more likely. That's how maths works.

[gdm]

[SweMag]

7 minutes ago, gdm said:

He’s not wrong tho? Ashley & staveley have been confident the whole way thru and here we are a year and bit down the line with Ashley still as owner. To be honest I’m fuckin sick of hearing about confidence 

Of course they are confident. Why wouldn’t they be?

[Jinky Jim]

1 hour ago, Chris_R said:

 

What is currently known is that there's arbitration and court cases going on. You have absolutely no idea about the outcome of these. Nobody does. Not even De Marco. We may win (I hope we do), or we may not. Keep your outright refusal to even acknowledge 50% of the possible outcomes of those cases to the other thread, whatever you want to call it, so the grown-ups can talk in here.

Got no problem with all your reasoning behind your doubts about takeover, every chance you may be right, but I do object to the suggestion that anyone who posts in the positivism thread cannot discuss the takeover like”grown ups”…don’t tar your prejudice, just because you don’t like the posts in there.

[gdm]

5 minutes ago, SweMag said:

Of course they are confident. Why wouldn’t they be?

It’s said the PL are also confident? Why wouldn’t they be? That’s what he’s saying confidence hasn’t done us any good so far 
 

 

[Fantail Breeze]

31 minutes ago, SweMag said:

Haha. Wow. I look forward to the end of you Fantail Breeze, Joe Linton, Judge Holden or whatever you’re called when this takeover goes through.

Why would I go anywhere? I’d be delighted for the takeover to go through.

[Bishops Finger]

Some poor sod is going to come home from a hard days work later and decide to have a look on the forum and see there's been loads of new posts on the takeover thread, get a bit excited, only to discover 30 minutes later (which he/she will never get back) of reading through all the posts realise it just the usual crew having there weekly spat. Same old bullshit constantly 

[Slim]

Tbh dunno where people are getting this confidence from tje premier league crack.

 

Litteraly all they have done is try and delay.

[gdm]

Just now, Slim said:

Tbh dunno where people are getting this confidence from tje premier league crack.

 

Litteraly all they have done is try and delay.

If they weren’t confident they’d try come up an agreement surely? Something that mutually beneficial