PIF and RB Sports & Media

[et tu brute]

9 minutes ago, Turnbull2000 said:

Imminent based on absolutely nothing whatsoever. Much like our stadium upgrade and massive new sponsorships have been imminent.

No imminent that the owners will be coming out, learn to read properly 

[PauloGeordio]

13 hours ago, Norseman said:

 

 

[TheBrownBottle]

12 minutes ago, PauloGeordio said:

 

Always wondered what our owners would make of the shahada being replaced with a joke about getting pissed

[TRon]

18 hours ago, The College Dropout said:

Last point - there’s this idea that PIF are doing absolutely everything possible to generate revenue but are being blocked by the slick foils of the PL and the big money 5.  And I just don’t believe it. 
 

They’ve put up bigger barriers. But the barriers aren’t impregnable if PIF were determined and motivated to circumvent them asap with a bit of nous. But they don’t seem determined to do that atm.  

 

What motivation is for them to circumvent those barriers? The PL laws will be written in such a way that the interpretation is probably left up to their own officials. To challenge them would mean taking them to court, and this is an ownership which doesn't have many friends in British football. PIF need to work with the PL as much as viable, and unfortunately, the running of the PL is dictated by the cartel clubs.

 

 

[The College Dropout]

21 minutes ago, TRon said:

 

What motivation is for them to circumvent those barriers? The PL laws will be written in such a way that the interpretation is probably left up to their own officials. To challenge them would mean taking them to court, and this is an ownership which doesn't have many friends in British football. PIF need to work with the PL as much as viable, and unfortunately, the running of the PL is dictated by the cartel clubs.

 

 

Disagree. 
 

Motivation: Best path to actualise stated goals. 
 

Interpretation of the rules will go to independent courts. That’s why Leicester won their appeal yesterday. The ruling was that the laws are actually poorly written in areas. And Leicester beat the case. 
 

Chelsea have found numerous loopholes. I’m guessing they will continue to find more. 
- super long contracts (bad idea)

- selling infrastructure to themselves 

- Bullshit FFP transfer swapsie pioneer that we ended up using in a bad way. 
 

The first 2 have been closed. But there’s no closing the third.
 

With enough will and resources, these laws can be circumvented to help us. PIF could continually buy players from a random European club for SA league for wild figures with an informal agreement they spend x amount on Newcastle players. There is still nothing blocking us loaning players from Saudi clubs iirc. 

 

 

Edited September 4 by The College Dropout

[Lotus]

16 hours ago, et tu brute said:

Guesses galore again I see. Why don't people wait until the owners come out (looks like it is going to be imminent). The rules will change also, as more and more clubs (including some of the Sky top 6) are affected 

Because forums are for speculation. None of us work for the club (that I know of) so all we have is supposition. What’s wrong with it?  Because you can’t qualify it? Don’t bother with it then.

[et tu brute]

13 minutes ago, Lotus said:

Because forums are for speculation. None of us work for the club (that I know of) so all we have is supposition. What’s wrong with it?  Because you can’t qualify it? Don’t bother with it then.

Dry your eyes man

 

 

Edited September 4 by et tu brute

[Lotus]

[The Prophet]

 

[Pata]

22 hours ago, macphisto said:

What did Spurs win during that period? At best you could say it allowed them to hang onto the coattails of the top 5 with a few Champions League campaigns. That's not the stated aims of our owners. Were Spurs ever serious contenders for the title during that time? 

 

Spurs were in the Champions League final and lost it thanks to a pen that should have never been given. They might not have won anything but no one should be downplaying their achievements, they got to the top by being smart.

[timeEd32]

20 minutes ago, The Prophet said:

 

 

Isn't that mostly just from being in the CL?

[FloydianMag]

1 minute ago, timeEd32 said:

 

Isn't that mostly just from being in the CL?

More likely because of PL games I’d of thought. We only played 6 CL games.

[timeEd32]

4 minutes ago, FloydianMag said:

More likely because of PL games I’d of thought. We only played 6 CL games.

 

We've always been chosen for TV a lot though, even in peak Ashley years. There was probably an increase coming off a 4th place finish, but I'd be surprised if that's what's driving it. Only 6 CL games, but against big clubs and two against the most famous player in Europe.

[WilliamPS]

I’d imagine a lot of international fans of the PL actively avoided Newcastle games in the prior years, so some sort of increase in interest makes sense, and may have had a lag as viewers probably didn’t tune in right from the start of the 22/23 season 

 

For example internationally Newcastle Spurs probably had many more viewers than Chelsea Palace, two years ago maybe it’s the other way round

 

 

Edited September 4 by WilliamPS

[timeEd32]

Mitchell: “[Yasir] wants us to perform not only through the money we spend – he wants us to be best in class across everything we do, whether that be youth development, the women’s team, scouting and recruitment, data and insight, coaching, innovation. He wants our position to be at the top, but to be there for the reasons that people admire as a really well-oiled, well-executed machine of a football operation.

[Jack27]

11 minutes ago, timeEd32 said:

Mitchell: “[Yasir] wants us to perform not only through the money we spend – he wants us to be best in class across everything we do, whether that be youth development, the women’s team, scouting and recruitment, data and insight, coaching, innovation. He wants our position to be at the top, but to be there for the reasons that people admire as a really well-oiled, well-executed machine of a football operation.

Might have to invest in a brand spanking new training complex for that one boss

[macphisto]

11 hours ago, Pata said:

 

Spurs were in the Champions League final and lost it thanks to a pen that should have never been given. They might not have won anything but no one should be downplaying their achievements, they got to the top by being smart.

Have to disagree, a team that doesn't win anything over 3-4 years can not be considered a top team. With regards to the pen, you can say they were unlucky, just like you could say they were lucky to beat Ajax but over a 3-4 year period luck does not come into it. 

 

Even if we want to use Spurs as an example, they weren't a threat before the period we are talking about, never won anything at their best, and are now pretty much what they were previously. That is the best you can do through organic growth. You'll have some good and bad  years but never be a real threat. Only thing that might change them in the long term is their stadium. 

 

One other thing about quoting Spurs and Liverpool when they sold Coutinho. Is that route possible now? A lot of those transfers happened when Madrid, Barcelona and PSG were spending crazy money. A completely different landscape now, would we be happy selling our best players to other PL teams? 

[timeEd32]

Quotes from The Athletic that the others largely failed to include:

 

“I have a few more grey hairs because of the level of ambition that we actually have,” said Mitchell, having met with Yasir Al-Rumayyan, the club chairman, on Sunday following Newcastle’s victory over Tottenham Hotspur. “He’s super ambitious and he wants us to perform at No 1 level.”

 

What the exact timeframe is for Newcastle to reach the top remains unclear. It is something that the hierarchy must determine internally, before they will try to communicate that reset to supporters.

 

“That’s the phase of discussion we’re having now,” Mitchell said. “You’ve got to align internally to set the right expectations along the right timeline, then you’ve got to externally communicate that as well.”

 

Critically, Mitchell believes PIF recognises the limiting effect PSR has had on Newcastle’s rapid plan for growth. Rather than be deterred by that, PIF is embracing the need to change approach, he claimed.

 

“He (Al-Rumayyan) can see that the club is growing, but he’s smart enough to know it’s moved very quickly over a very short period of time,” Mitchell added. “He knows infrastructure is important. He knows people’s IPs are important. He knows a higher overarching framework and strategy is crucial to get to where we want to get to. Using terminology like that shows there’s a plan and patience.”

[The College Dropout]

spurs until recently have had by far the smallest revenue of all the top 6 clubs and also nowhere near the spend limits. They have by far the lowest wage bill of the top 6.  Winning trophies isn’t their aim and they haven’t invested to that level.    
 

 

For them to get into the CL 4 years in a row, finish 2nd, 3rdand get to the CL final is a tremendous achievement.  It’s the equivalent of us finishing 3rd and going deep in the CL. 
 

They’ve been run tremendously considering there is no desire to invest enough to consistently challenge for trophies. Their aim is CL more years than not.  And a profitable and growing revenue club.  
 

If we get to Spurs position - we cement ourselves at a level higher because our owners aren’t in it for profit. 

[STM]

41 minutes ago, timeEd32 said:

 

 

“He (Al-Rumayyan) can see that the club is growing, but he’s smart enough to know it’s moved very quickly over a very short period of time,” Mitchell added. “He knows infrastructure is important. He knows people’s IPs are important. He knows a higher overarching framework and strategy is crucial to get to where we want to get to. Using terminology like that shows there’s a plan and patience.”

 

 

Obviously absolutely hates YAR. Patronising cunt.

 

Have I done that right lads? 

[Stifler]

Who’s the one on here who knows the guy in charge of Sela?

[TRon]

21 hours ago, The College Dropout said:

Disagree. 
 

Motivation: Best path to actualise stated goals. 
 

Interpretation of the rules will go to independent courts. That’s why Leicester won their appeal yesterday. The ruling was that the laws are actually poorly written in areas. And Leicester beat the case. 
 

Chelsea have found numerous loopholes. I’m guessing they will continue to find more. 
- super long contracts (bad idea)

- selling infrastructure to themselves 

- Bullshit FFP transfer swapsie pioneer that we ended up using in a bad way. 
 

The first 2 have been closed. But there’s no closing the third.
 

With enough will and resources, these laws can be circumvented to help us. PIF could continually buy players from a random European club for SA league for wild figures with an informal agreement they spend x amount on Newcastle players. There is still nothing blocking us loaning players from Saudi clubs iirc. 

 

 

 

 

You have not really addressed the major issue which I outlined though. PIF don't have many friends in British football, there is understandable caution in breaking rules as we are more likely to have the book thrown at us by the PL than other clubs. Citing Chelsea doesn't really prove anything as they are one of the cartel clubs who the PL is beholden to.

 

Leicester fair enough, but given how hard PIF fought to get the PL to rubber stamp their takeover (after govt pressure) you can hardly blame them for waiting for precedence before challenging the PL themselves.

[The College Dropout]

59 minutes ago, TRon said:

 

You have not really addressed the major issue which I outlined though. PIF don't have many friends in British football, there is understandable caution in breaking rules as we are more likely to have the book thrown at us by the PL than other clubs. Citing Chelsea doesn't really prove anything as they are one of the cartel clubs who the PL is beholden to.

 

Leicester fair enough, but given how hard PIF fought to get the PL to rubber stamp their takeover (after govt pressure) you can hardly blame them for waiting for precedence before challenging the PL themselves.

You think Abu Dhabi and Roman had friends in British football?

 

I keep repeating it - you can bend the rules. You don’t have to break them.  We are reluctant to bend them. Boehly to date, has only bent them.  We haven’t used the open door we have to loan Saudi players. We could sell Almiron to Saudi for the same amount as we’ve been offered - and then loan him back for 2 seasons.  
 

The 112 charges are bad PR for Abu Dhabi.  But the winning speaks so much louder.  And that’s breaking rules. We don’t have to go that far.  

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People say ‘the Cartel 6’ but that’s not entirely true. Before Roman sold Chelsea There’s Arsenal, Man U, Liverpool and Spurs. These are the ‘elite’ clubs with Owners in football for economic gain.  These were the biggest proponents of ESR in England. They are keen to minimise costs and maximise revenues. Abramovic and Abu Dhabi don’t have those interests as priority. 
 

I’ll repeat- Ciry setup their multi club infrastructure at the same time FFP was introduced.  FFP Announced in 2009, implemented 2013. AD bought City in 2009, multi club in 2013.  It’s a direct circumvention of FFP. They aren’t in the same box as the old money PL clubs. 

Boehly went multi club within 2 years! 
 

What’s stopping PIF going multi club?

 

Even Liverpool think they need to go multi club just to compete. Their wage bill is close to City because most non-first team City staff are not employed by the club.  They are employed by city group.  Keeping the costs down by probably 8 figures.  

 

 

Edited September 5 by The College Dropout

[TRon]

3 minutes ago, The College Dropout said:

You think Abu Dhabi and Roman had friends in British football?

 

I keep repeating it - you can bend the rules. You don’t have to break them.  We are reluctant to bend them. Boehly to date, has only bent them.  We haven’t used the open door we have to loan Saudi players. We could sell Almiron to Saudi for the same amount as we’ve been offered - and then loan him back for 2 seasons.  
 

The 112 charges are bad PR for Abu Dhabi.  But the winning speaks so much louder.  And that’s breaking rules. We don’t have to go that far.  

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People say ‘the Cartel 6’ but that’s not entirely true. Before Roman sold Chelsea There’s Arsenal, Man U, Liverpool and Spurs. These are the ‘elite’ clubs with Owners in football for economic gain.  These were the biggest proponents of ESR in England. They are keen to minimise costs and maximise revenues. Abramovic and Abu Dhabi don’t have those interests as priority. 
 

I’ll repeat- Ciry setup their multi club infrastructure at the same time FFP was introduced.  FFP Announced in 2009, implemented 2013. AD bought City in 2009, multi club in 2013.  It’s a direct circumvention of FFP. They aren’t in the same box as the old money PL clubs. 
 

 

Abu Dhabi and Roman got all their spending done and won plenty before the charges could be brought. That put them in a position of power which we simply aren't in. They are on an equal footing with the cartel clubs already now, and I would argue Chelsea are already one of them anyway. Perhaps them selling hotels to themselves and getting away with it will see us now making similar moves. We don't know what agreements we had in place with the PL before they rubber stamped the takeover, but could well be there was some tacit agreement we would play by their rule book. Without knowing the facts it's all speculation.

[80]

4 hours ago, timeEd32 said:

“He knows infrastructure is important. He knows people’s IPs are important. He knows a higher overarching framework and strategy is crucial to get to where we want to get to. Using terminology like that shows there’s a plan and patience.”

  He knows all the words!