PIF and RB Sports & Media

[et tu brute]

Guesses galore again I see. Why don't people wait until the owners come out (looks like it is going to be imminent). The rules will change also, as more and more clubs (including some of the Sky top 6) are affected 

[The College Dropout]

48 minutes ago, et tu brute said:

Guesses galore again I see. Why don't people wait until the owners come out (looks like it is going to be imminent). The rules will change also, as more and more clubs (including some of the Sky top 6) are affected 

UEFA rules will remain a massive issue. 
 

[et tu brute]

28 minutes ago, The College Dropout said:

UEFA rules will remain a massive issue. 
 

Premier rules change will allow for a lot more investment, sponsorship and overall more revenue coming into club. That will then help cater for UEFA rules. I can see a challenge to them in the not too distant future also. 

[Turnbull2000]

Imminent based on absolutely nothing whatsoever. Much like our stadium upgrade and massive new sponsorships have been imminent.

[FloydianMag]

11 minutes ago, et tu brute said:

Premier rules change will allow for a lot more investment, sponsorship and overall more revenue coming into club. That will then help cater for UEFA rules. I can see a challenge to them in the not too distant future also. 

Agreed, and in the CJEU.

[et tu brute]

9 minutes ago, Turnbull2000 said:

Imminent based on absolutely nothing whatsoever. Much like our stadium upgrade and massive new sponsorships have been imminent.

No imminent that the owners will be coming out, learn to read properly 

[PauloGeordio]

13 hours ago, Norseman said:

 

 

[TheBrownBottle]

12 minutes ago, PauloGeordio said:

 

Always wondered what our owners would make of the shahada being replaced with a joke about getting pissed

[TRon]

18 hours ago, The College Dropout said:

Last point - there’s this idea that PIF are doing absolutely everything possible to generate revenue but are being blocked by the slick foils of the PL and the big money 5.  And I just don’t believe it. 
 

They’ve put up bigger barriers. But the barriers aren’t impregnable if PIF were determined and motivated to circumvent them asap with a bit of nous. But they don’t seem determined to do that atm.  

 

What motivation is for them to circumvent those barriers? The PL laws will be written in such a way that the interpretation is probably left up to their own officials. To challenge them would mean taking them to court, and this is an ownership which doesn't have many friends in British football. PIF need to work with the PL as much as viable, and unfortunately, the running of the PL is dictated by the cartel clubs.

 

 

[The College Dropout]

21 minutes ago, TRon said:

 

What motivation is for them to circumvent those barriers? The PL laws will be written in such a way that the interpretation is probably left up to their own officials. To challenge them would mean taking them to court, and this is an ownership which doesn't have many friends in British football. PIF need to work with the PL as much as viable, and unfortunately, the running of the PL is dictated by the cartel clubs.

 

 

Disagree. 
 

Motivation: Best path to actualise stated goals. 
 

Interpretation of the rules will go to independent courts. That’s why Leicester won their appeal yesterday. The ruling was that the laws are actually poorly written in areas. And Leicester beat the case. 
 

Chelsea have found numerous loopholes. I’m guessing they will continue to find more. 
- super long contracts (bad idea)

- selling infrastructure to themselves 

- Bullshit FFP transfer swapsie pioneer that we ended up using in a bad way. 
 

The first 2 have been closed. But there’s no closing the third.
 

With enough will and resources, these laws can be circumvented to help us. PIF could continually buy players from a random European club for SA league for wild figures with an informal agreement they spend x amount on Newcastle players. There is still nothing blocking us loaning players from Saudi clubs iirc. 

 

 

Edited September 4, 2024 by The College Dropout

[Lotus]

16 hours ago, et tu brute said:

Guesses galore again I see. Why don't people wait until the owners come out (looks like it is going to be imminent). The rules will change also, as more and more clubs (including some of the Sky top 6) are affected 

Because forums are for speculation. None of us work for the club (that I know of) so all we have is supposition. What’s wrong with it?  Because you can’t qualify it? Don’t bother with it then.

[et tu brute]

13 minutes ago, Lotus said:

Because forums are for speculation. None of us work for the club (that I know of) so all we have is supposition. What’s wrong with it?  Because you can’t qualify it? Don’t bother with it then.

Dry your eyes man

 

 

Edited September 4, 2024 by et tu brute

[Lotus]

[The Prophet]

 

[Pata]

22 hours ago, macphisto said:

What did Spurs win during that period? At best you could say it allowed them to hang onto the coattails of the top 5 with a few Champions League campaigns. That's not the stated aims of our owners. Were Spurs ever serious contenders for the title during that time? 

 

Spurs were in the Champions League final and lost it thanks to a pen that should have never been given. They might not have won anything but no one should be downplaying their achievements, they got to the top by being smart.

[timeEd32]

20 minutes ago, The Prophet said:

 

 

Isn't that mostly just from being in the CL?

[FloydianMag]

1 minute ago, timeEd32 said:

 

Isn't that mostly just from being in the CL?

More likely because of PL games I’d of thought. We only played 6 CL games.

[timeEd32]

4 minutes ago, FloydianMag said:

More likely because of PL games I’d of thought. We only played 6 CL games.

 

We've always been chosen for TV a lot though, even in peak Ashley years. There was probably an increase coming off a 4th place finish, but I'd be surprised if that's what's driving it. Only 6 CL games, but against big clubs and two against the most famous player in Europe.

[WilliamPS]

I’d imagine a lot of international fans of the PL actively avoided Newcastle games in the prior years, so some sort of increase in interest makes sense, and may have had a lag as viewers probably didn’t tune in right from the start of the 22/23 season 

 

For example internationally Newcastle Spurs probably had many more viewers than Chelsea Palace, two years ago maybe it’s the other way round

 

 

Edited September 4, 2024 by WilliamPS

[timeEd32]

Mitchell: “[Yasir] wants us to perform not only through the money we spend – he wants us to be best in class across everything we do, whether that be youth development, the women’s team, scouting and recruitment, data and insight, coaching, innovation. He wants our position to be at the top, but to be there for the reasons that people admire as a really well-oiled, well-executed machine of a football operation.

[Guest]

11 minutes ago, timeEd32 said:

Mitchell: “[Yasir] wants us to perform not only through the money we spend – he wants us to be best in class across everything we do, whether that be youth development, the women’s team, scouting and recruitment, data and insight, coaching, innovation. He wants our position to be at the top, but to be there for the reasons that people admire as a really well-oiled, well-executed machine of a football operation.

Might have to invest in a brand spanking new training complex for that one boss

[macphisto]

11 hours ago, Pata said:

 

Spurs were in the Champions League final and lost it thanks to a pen that should have never been given. They might not have won anything but no one should be downplaying their achievements, they got to the top by being smart.

Have to disagree, a team that doesn't win anything over 3-4 years can not be considered a top team. With regards to the pen, you can say they were unlucky, just like you could say they were lucky to beat Ajax but over a 3-4 year period luck does not come into it. 

 

Even if we want to use Spurs as an example, they weren't a threat before the period we are talking about, never won anything at their best, and are now pretty much what they were previously. That is the best you can do through organic growth. You'll have some good and bad  years but never be a real threat. Only thing that might change them in the long term is their stadium. 

 

One other thing about quoting Spurs and Liverpool when they sold Coutinho. Is that route possible now? A lot of those transfers happened when Madrid, Barcelona and PSG were spending crazy money. A completely different landscape now, would we be happy selling our best players to other PL teams? 

[timeEd32]

Quotes from The Athletic that the others largely failed to include:

 

“I have a few more grey hairs because of the level of ambition that we actually have,” said Mitchell, having met with Yasir Al-Rumayyan, the club chairman, on Sunday following Newcastle’s victory over Tottenham Hotspur. “He’s super ambitious and he wants us to perform at No 1 level.”

 

What the exact timeframe is for Newcastle to reach the top remains unclear. It is something that the hierarchy must determine internally, before they will try to communicate that reset to supporters.

 

“That’s the phase of discussion we’re having now,” Mitchell said. “You’ve got to align internally to set the right expectations along the right timeline, then you’ve got to externally communicate that as well.”

 

Critically, Mitchell believes PIF recognises the limiting effect PSR has had on Newcastle’s rapid plan for growth. Rather than be deterred by that, PIF is embracing the need to change approach, he claimed.

 

“He (Al-Rumayyan) can see that the club is growing, but he’s smart enough to know it’s moved very quickly over a very short period of time,” Mitchell added. “He knows infrastructure is important. He knows people’s IPs are important. He knows a higher overarching framework and strategy is crucial to get to where we want to get to. Using terminology like that shows there’s a plan and patience.”

[The College Dropout]

spurs until recently have had by far the smallest revenue of all the top 6 clubs and also nowhere near the spend limits. They have by far the lowest wage bill of the top 6.  Winning trophies isn’t their aim and they haven’t invested to that level.    
 

 

For them to get into the CL 4 years in a row, finish 2nd, 3rdand get to the CL final is a tremendous achievement.  It’s the equivalent of us finishing 3rd and going deep in the CL. 
 

They’ve been run tremendously considering there is no desire to invest enough to consistently challenge for trophies. Their aim is CL more years than not.  And a profitable and growing revenue club.  
 

If we get to Spurs position - we cement ourselves at a level higher because our owners aren’t in it for profit. 

[STM]

41 minutes ago, timeEd32 said:

 

 

“He (Al-Rumayyan) can see that the club is growing, but he’s smart enough to know it’s moved very quickly over a very short period of time,” Mitchell added. “He knows infrastructure is important. He knows people’s IPs are important. He knows a higher overarching framework and strategy is crucial to get to where we want to get to. Using terminology like that shows there’s a plan and patience.”

 

 

Obviously absolutely hates YAR. Patronising cunt.

 

Have I done that right lads?