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[et tu brute]

Doom patrol on overtime again I see

[nufcjmc]

1 hour ago, The College Dropout said:

No idea. They did announce they were going multi-club after 3 years.

 

Ah brill.

 

3 years is a good amount of time to have no concrete plans about stadium man.

 

I do not doubt that they will. But the slowness is not a good sign. Owners need to be aggressive in this game. They aren't doing that.

While all your points are valid the complexity of public feeling towards the stadium, the lack of options without compromise and the logistics when we don't own any other land do all stretch this out. Being chosen for a euros venue would also limit any movement where we are. Was also reported even if we stayed we would need to negotiate the lease length for the land with the council. 

 

While I want the information and in the end waiting may end up ramping up expectations only to feel disappointed in the end with what is proposed. I personally am happy they get their ducks in a row first than announce what they want or intend to do only to find out its not possible planning/logistically/cost or approval wise etc. 

 

So far the worse thing the club has done is say things like it's close and imminent. Taking a massive leap here it may well have been but good or bad new information may have come into play to change their plans and go down a new avenue first, thought impossible. 

 

I guess it's not that long to wait now if it is indeed early next year. 

 

 

Edited October 23, 2024 by nufcjmc

[Whitley mag]

Spurs wanted PIF to buy them they chose us, Man U and Liverpool were to expensive, they bought the biggest sleeping giant in British football for a song.

 

If Man City can become one of the biggest clubs in the world we certainly can, it’ll be slower than we all hoped but the gap is bridgeable with clever minds.

 

 

 

 

Edited October 23, 2024 by Whitley mag

[TRon]

6 hours ago, The College Dropout said:

And Ashley didn’t invest.  
 

We’re talking about new stadium, new training facilities, youth development- best in class. 
 

The Etihad Campus cost £600m. How much money do you think they have spent off the books?

 

Im not saying we can’t eventually become a decent investment. But it’s going to take a ton of money, will and commitment. I’ve not seen the will yet.  

 

Why would any owner invest huge money into making a club 6th in the league at best? If the PSR and FFP restrictions are changed or thrown out, allowing investment in the team to match the cartel teams, then we can ask legitimate questions about throwing big money into stadiums and city projects.

[duo]

NUFC is an investment - to grow an investment you spend wisely, something which they are trying to do. Have mistakes been made? of course but there are many more positives than negatives

 

 

Edited October 23, 2024 by duo

[timeEd32]

I can understand why people are frustrated by the pace of things and I am too on both sponsorships and the training ground. But to be concerned to the level of panic or even borderline conspiracy some of you are getting to you'd have to, among other things, believe that:

- Our stadium and/or training ground plans have changed considerably since May when we hired Brad Miller as COO

- Mitchell was interested in joining a club going nowhere fast or we lied to him

- We added a new board member with ties to the Reuben's and with expertise in commercial, hotel, and retail properties for no real reason

[NE27]

1 hour ago, timeEd32 said:

I can understand why people are frustrated by the pace of things and I am too on both sponsorships and the training ground. But to be concerned to the level of panic or even borderline conspiracy some of you are getting to you'd have to, among other things, believe that:

- Our stadium and/or training ground plans have changed considerably since May when we hired Brad Miller as COO

- Mitchell was interested in joining a club going nowhere fast or we lied to him

- We added a new board member with ties to the Reuben's and with expertise in commercial, hotel, and retail properties for no real reason

 

 

Look, that all sounds good and rational.

 

And it's for that reason I'm out and will piss my knickers instead.

[Hudson]

5 minutes ago, NE27 said:

 

 

Look, that all sounds good and rational.

 

And it's for that reason I'm out and will piss my knickers instead.

Buy some Tena, save your self the Embarrassment.

[NE27]

14 minutes ago, Hudson said:

Buy some Tena, save your self the Embarrassment.

 

WHOOOOAAAAAAAAA BODYFORMMMMM, BODYFORM FOR YOU!

[The College Dropout]

1 hour ago, timeEd32 said:

I can understand why people are frustrated by the pace of things and I am too on both sponsorships and the training ground. But to be concerned to the level of panic or even borderline conspiracy some of you are getting to you'd have to, among other things, believe that:

- Our stadium and/or training ground plans have changed considerably since May when we hired Brad Miller as COO

- Mitchell was interested in joining a club going nowhere fast or we lied to him

- We added a new board member with ties to the Reuben's and with expertise in commercial, hotel, and retail properties for no real reason

Who is panicking?

[Guest]

35 minutes ago, The College Dropout said:

Who is panicking?

me

[Jewel]

It’s gone past the panicking stage for me. I’m starting to hyperventilate.

[et tu brute]

15 minutes ago, Jewel said:

It’s gone past the panicking stage for me. I’m starting to hyperventilate.

Don't listen to the shite being spouted then

[Jewel]

1 minute ago, et tu brute said:

Don't listen to the shite being spouted then

Too late, mate. I’m about to lose consciousness…

[TRon]

14 hours ago, The College Dropout said:

Who is panicking?

 

You are one of those who questions their commitment and lack of movement most often on here.

[The College Dropout]

21 minutes ago, TRon said:

 

You are one of those who questions their commitment and lack of movement most often on here.

That means I’m panicking?

 

I hold a view that a club in our position requires aggressive expansion in revenues and infrastructure if we are going to solidify ourselves as an elite club over the next 7 years.  
 

3 years in - I don’t think we are on track to do that - as far as what we know for a fact. 
 

But I’m not panicked. There are obviously things I don’t know. Things could change quickly with a few announcements. It might just take us longer to get there.  Maybe we never get there but we compete for Europe and have good cup runs - that’s probably the floor of what we will do.  
 

Some people here would have a meltdown if we sacked Howe, sold Bruno, Isak or whatever.  I wouldn’t.  The most important people at a club are the owners.  Ours being so wealthy will put us in a better position than most owners. But imo - to get the very top - you have to be aggressive, cutting edge in some departments (transfers, youth development), move quickly l and push against the boundaries of the rules, maybe even force a change. Thats what other teams in our position have needed to do to dominate.  I’ve not seen that from our owners so my expectations are capped. 
 

im not Howe dickrider but I think his job is a difficult one.  High expectations without the tools to succeed. At some point, with Howe or another manager, we’ll have to redress that in leadership and ownership.

[ChrisMcQuillan]

16 minutes ago, The College Dropout said:

That means I’m panicking?

 

I hold a view that a club in our position requires aggressive expansion in revenues and infrastructure if we are going to solidify ourselves as an elite club over the next 7 years.  
 

3 years in - I don’t think we are on track to do that - as far as what we know for a fact. 
 

But I’m not panicked. There are obviously things I don’t know. Things could change quickly with a few announcements. It might just take us longer to get there.  Maybe we never get there but we compete for Europe and have good cup runs - that’s probably the floor of what we will do.  
 

Some people here would have a meltdown if we sacked Howe, sold Bruno, Isak or whatever.  I wouldn’t.  The most important people at a club are the owners.  Ours being so wealthy will put us in a better position than most owners. But imo - to get the very top - you have to be aggressive, cutting edge in some departments (transfers, youth development), move quickly l and push against the boundaries of the rules, maybe even force a change. Thats what other teams in our position have needed to do to dominate.  I’ve not seen that from our owners so my expectations are capped. 
 

im not Howe dickrider but I think his job is a difficult one.  High expectations without the tools to succeed. At some point, with Howe or another manager, we’ll have to redress that in leadership and ownership.

 

Very much agree with this.

[Yorkie]

19 minutes ago, The College Dropout said:

Some people here would have a meltdown if we sacked Howe, sold Bruno, Isak or whatever.  I wouldn’t.  The most important people at a club are the owners.

 

Proper 'state of the game' statement, this...

[TRon]

54 minutes ago, The College Dropout said:

That means I’m panicking?

 

I hold a view that a club in our position requires aggressive expansion in revenues and infrastructure if we are going to solidify ourselves as an elite club over the next 7 years.  
 

3 years in - I don’t think we are on track to do that - as far as what we know for a fact. 
 

But I’m not panicked. There are obviously things I don’t know. Things could change quickly with a few announcements. It might just take us longer to get there.  Maybe we never get there but we compete for Europe and have good cup runs - that’s probably the floor of what we will do.  
 

Some people here would have a meltdown if we sacked Howe, sold Bruno, Isak or whatever.  I wouldn’t.  The most important people at a club are the owners.  Ours being so wealthy will put us in a better position than most owners. But imo - to get the very top - you have to be aggressive, cutting edge in some departments (transfers, youth development), move quickly l and push against the boundaries of the rules, maybe even force a change. Thats what other teams in our position have needed to do to dominate.  I’ve not seen that from our owners so my expectations are capped. 
 

im not Howe dickrider but I think his job is a difficult one.  High expectations without the tools to succeed. At some point, with Howe or another manager, we’ll have to redress that in leadership and ownership.

 

The fella you were quoting @timeEd32 didn't name you specifically, and what he described was frustration leading to the edge of panic with some, not all. You responded to his post asking about panicking, otherwise there was nothing to suggest you were panicking.

[TRon]

On the stuff about us being cautious rather than gung ho, that's quite obviously because we are up against the PL and their financial backers in the cartel. You can't compare our situation with others who don't have the whole league lining up to shoot them down, with the sheriff in their corner.

[The College Dropout]

50 minutes ago, Yorkie said:

 

Proper 'state of the game' statement, this...

Always been the way. Littlewoods started the Liverpool dynasty was it? Levy’s taken spurs from midtable to a team just under the European elite. Blackburn, Arsenal, Newcastle, Chelsea, City all broke British transfer records while challenging for the PL.  What club has risen beyond the ambitions of the owners consistently? In the entire history of the sport? 
 

Arsene Wenger stopped winning league titles when Arsenal became the 3rd-5th biggest spenders consistently. He would’ve won more with an additional £50m in wages/fees. His first winning team was the most expensive squad in the division though. 
 

11 minutes ago, TRon said:

On the stuff about us being cautious rather than gung ho, that's quite obviously because we are up against the PL and their financial backers in the cartel. You can't compare our situation with others who don't have the whole league lining up to shoot them down, with the sheriff in their corner.

There’s a number of things we could’ve been aggressive with that we haven’t. Or pushed the boundaries. Or been publicly opposed too.  

 

I won’t preemptively blame the cartel without evidence. The loan loophole from Saudi has been open this entire time. Never exploited it.  

 

[madras]

2 minutes ago, The College Dropout said:

Always been the way. Littlewoods started the Liverpool dynasty was it? Levy’s taken spurs from midtable to a team just under the European elite. Blackburn, Arsenal, Newcastle, Chelsea, City all broke British transfer records while challenging for the PL.  What club has risen beyond the ambitions of the owners consistently? In the entire history of the sport? 
 

Arsene Wenger stopped winning league titles when Arsenal became the 3rd-5th biggest spenders consistently. He would’ve won more with an additional £50m in wages/fees. His first winning team was the most expensive squad in the division though. 
 

There’s a number of things we could’ve been aggressive with that we haven’t. Or pushed the boundaries. Or been publicly opposed too.  

 

I won’t preemptively blame the cartel without evidence. The loan loophole from Saudi has been open this entire time. Never exploited it.  

 

How much would a 1yr training ground sponsor, 1yr training kit sponsor etc have brought in ?

 

Money for nowt really that would have all helped and easily upped the season after if rules change.

[The College Dropout]

Also FFP was invented to curtail City and prevent new ones. 
 

Just as they were creating and implementing FFP. City accelerated the inflated sponsorships.  Announced the city campus. Announced they were going multi-club. 
 

City have been aggressive and anti-establishment from day one. Their agenda and strategy is clear. 
 

Our agenda and strategy is not clear. I’m not all that bothered by the football until that is clear. I’ll enjoy it for what it is and hope for the best. 

[TRon]

19 minutes ago, The College Dropout said:

Also FFP was invented to curtail City and prevent new ones. 
 

Just as they were creating and implementing FFP. City accelerated the inflated sponsorships.  Announced the city campus. Announced they were going multi-club. 
 

City have been aggressive and anti-establishment from day one. Their agenda and strategy is clear. 
 

Our agenda and strategy is not clear. I’m not all that bothered by the football until that is clear. I’ll enjoy it for what it is and hope for the best. 

 

Hadn't City already bought their way to the title before FFP restrictions could take effect?

 

 

[Yorkie]

7 minutes ago, The College Dropout said:

1 hour ago, Yorkie said:

 

Proper 'state of the game' statement, this...

Always been the way. Littlewoods started the Liverpool dynasty was it? Levy’s taken spurs from midtable to a team just under the European elite. Blackburn, Arsenal, Newcastle, Chelsea, City all broke British transfer records while challenging for the PL.  What club has risen beyond the ambitions of the owners consistently? In the entire history of the sport? 

 

Your statement about owners was true; what's very 'this era' is that you wouldn't be bothered about the departures of those who traditionally represent 'what it's all about' due to the owners' existence.