PIF and RB Sports & Media

[frankpingel]

3 minutes ago, Jewel said:

 

I suspect not rocking the boat was one of the requirements for the takeover being allowed to go through.

Perhaps but surely there'd be some sort of tomescale involved in such an agreement? We can't just agree with the PL forevermore.

[TRon]

5 minutes ago, Jewel said:

 

I suspect not rocking the boat was one of the requirements for the takeover being allowed to go through.

 

 

It was. But I'm not really sure that should include allowing other clubs to ride roughshod over PSR rules while we just sit on our hands. 

 

Chelsea have set a clear precedent, I am guessing Villa will now follow. By now surely the gloves should be off. 

[Bishops Finger]

7 minutes ago, Jewel said:

 

I suspect not rocking the boat was one of the requirements for the takeover being allowed to go through.

How can we be held to different rules to anyone else. There's no way they could uphold that. How are we supposed to compete when arseholes like Chelsea are taking the piss. We're just being left behind coz we want to be the good guys and play by the rules. Fuck them all

[Ben]

I wonder what part the Rubans play in the investment decisions 

[Stifler]

35 minutes ago, Ben said:

I wonder what part the Rubans play in the investment decisions 

They own 15% of the club, so I’m assuming they have some say considering the investment is down by issue of new shares which would dilute their share percentage if they didn’t match the investment.

I’m guessing though they are much more involved with the land acquisition, training ground, stadium, and Sela fanzone developments though.

[et tu brute]

I'm still convinced that we are waiting for the APT court case to come through with the judge's decision. When the premier league's rushed block attempt is thrown out, then it will open Pandora's box. Not too far away now either for the judgement to come out.

[JT24]

3 minutes ago, et tu brute said:

I'm still convinced that we are waiting for the APT court case to come through with the judge's decision. When the premier league's rushed block attempt is thrown out, then it will open Pandora's box. Not too far away now either for the judgement to come out.

I’m sure that’s the case and it’s not just PIF standing still (see slow decision making on CEO, stadium, training ground etc). 

[et tu brute]

2 minutes ago, JT24 said:

I’m sure that’s the case and it’s not just PIF standing still (see slow decision making on CEO, stadium, training ground etc). 

I'm convinced especially with the sponsorship. It causes massive problems also because if the judges do decide that the breakneck changes brought in were illegal (they will), then the whole APT rules were and are null. This then leaves massive implications for us (and other clubs) to exploit. Not be long to find out anyway.

[The College Dropout]

1 hour ago, r0cafella said:

He must read this forum because I've been saying that for awhile. 

 

Although it's not quite dead, just much more navigable thanks to Chelsea. 

We’ve said this for years. And both questioned if they have the motivation to exploit loopholes. 
 

More concerned with Saudi League, World Cup, CWC etc. than exploiting loopholes to get NUFC success it looks like.  
 

[TRon]

35 minutes ago, et tu brute said:

I'm still convinced that we are waiting for the APT court case to come through with the judge's decision. When the premier league's rushed block attempt is thrown out, then it will open Pandora's box. Not too far away now either for the judgement to come out.

 

 

I really hope this is all it is, because we need to take the self-imposed wage cap off if we really want to keep our best players or attract new ones. Three windows of not being able to strengthen while clubs all around us are taking the piss is more than enough. 

[Keegans Export]

40 minutes ago, et tu brute said:

I'm still convinced that we are waiting for the APT court case to come through with the judge's decision. When the premier league's rushed block attempt is thrown out, then it will open Pandora's box. Not too far away now either for the judgement to come out.

Why wait though? Stick PIF on the training kit for £5m/year and that's a £100k/week wage rise for Isak paid for. If the rules get thrown out completely then great, that £5m is now £50m. But why lose out on potential income now on the basis that the rules might get binned off at some point in the future? 

[Stifler]

It’s worth bearing in mind that even though Chelsea’s loopholes helped them with Premier League PSR, it doesn’t help with UEFA’s. So if we did try Chelsea like sales of assets, we would likely be kicked out of the Champions League and Europe in general. Chelsea will escape being kicked out because of their ‘stature’, ours is less, and also the Qatari’s will be very happy to twist the knife in with UEFA in their back pocket.

 

I get the frustration over the stadium, and the training ground.

The training ground frustration is much more relatable. We really should know what we want to do now, and where.

 

The stadium situation is harder though. Up until recently, any official fan survey has always said that staying at SJP was the preferred choice. We also need to know how many fans we need to accommodate. We needed time for things to settle down after the takeover to judge if ticket demand was just spiking, or continuously rising. Also since the pandemic, event attendance across the western world has risen across the board. You look at Arsenal now wanting to increase capacity of the Emirates to 80k in a stadium that is just shy of 20 years old. I would dare to say that if Levy was building Spurs’ stadium, they would be looking at an 80k capacity as well.

We need to take time to asses the demand and other requirements correctly, so that in 5 years or 20 years time we are not going to try and change things once again.

In saying this, I am massively frustrated with being told news is imminent, only for it not to be. It’s like the takeover saga all over again. #stadiumcans

 

 

Edited 5 hours ago by Stifler

[Jackie Broon]

For all we know, we might have already submitted a training ground sponsorship to the PL and they've rejected or delayed it.

[et tu brute]

1 hour ago, Keegans Export said:

Why wait though? Stick PIF on the training kit for £5m/year and that's a £100k/week wage rise for Isak paid for. If the rules get thrown out completely then great, that £5m is now £50m. But why lose out on potential income now on the basis that the rules might get binned off at some point in the future? 

One player gets a pay rise, then the majority will be straight in asking also. 

 

 

Edited 6 hours ago by et tu brute

[et tu brute]

1 hour ago, Stifler said:

It’s worth bearing in mind that even though Chelsea’s loopholes helped them with Premier League PSR, it doesn’t help with UEFA’s. So if we did try Chelsea like sales of assets, we would likely be kicked out of the Champions League and Europe in general. Chelsea will escape being kicked out because of their ‘stature’, ours is less, and also the Qatari’s will be very happy to twist the knife in with UEFA in their back pocket.

 

I get the frustration over the stadium, and the training ground.

The training ground frustration is much more relatable. We really should know what we want to do now, and where.

 

The stadium situation is harder though. Up until recently, any official fan survey has always said that staying at SJP was the preferred choice. We also need to know how many fans we need to accolade. We needed time for things to settle down after the takeover to judge if ticket demand was just spiking, or continuously rising. Also since the pandemic, event attendance across the western world has risen across the board. You look at Arsenal now wanting to increase capacity of the Emirates to 80k in a stadium that is just shy of 20 years old. I would dare to say that if Levy was building Spurs’ stadium, they would be looking at an 80k capacity as well.

We need to take time to asses the demand and other requirements correctly, so that in 5 years or 29 years time we are not going to try and change things once again.

In saying this, I am massively frustrated with being told news is imminent, only for it not to be. It’s like the takeover saga all over again. #stadiumcans

Be like me, don't take any notice of the reporters (especially the ones based up here). They were an utter joke pre takeover and continue to carry on that now with their bullshit transfer rumours

[FloydianMag]

1 hour ago, Jackie Broon said:

For all we know, we might have already submitted a training ground sponsorship to the PL and they've rejected or delayed it.

Would the PL delay any FMV decisions on sponsorship after the APT1 ruling?

[Stifler]

Some PIF advertising in the CWC match there.

[jarrovianmag]

9 minutes ago, Stifler said:

Some PIF advertising in the CWC match there.

Commentator getting on nerves G nabry 

[The College Dropout]

4 minutes ago, Stifler said:

Some PIF advertising in the CWC match there.

Haven’t PIF bankrolled the whole thing? Investment in Dazn matches the TV rights and/or prize money right?

 

im at peace that we are not PIFs top 5 footballing priority.   We can still do amazing things and it might change. 

[Stifler]

Just now, The College Dropout said:

Haven’t PIF bankrolled the whole thing? Investment in Dazn matches the TV rights and/or prize money right?

 

im at peace that we are not PIFs top 5 footballing priority.   We can still do amazing things and it might change. 

Yeah pretty much.

They also signed a sponsorship agreement not long ago.

[The College Dropout]

One thing the other golf states have seemingly accepted is that the power base in football is in Europe and therefore they must control it vis a proxy PSG Man City group for example. 
 

PSG can be glamorous.  And city group can have dominant teams across the word.  PIF are focussing on their own league and I guess they can as they have a proper population.  But it’s not going to work.  
 

Which all might end up in our favour. If they were more focussed on a European side at the heart of their football thing they would’ve gone for Spurs imo

[Yorkie]

6 minutes ago, The College Dropout said:

Haven’t PIF bankrolled the whole thing? Investment in Dazn matches the TV rights and/or prize money right?

 

im at peace that we are not PIFs top 5 footballing priority.   We can still do amazing things and it might change. 

 

 to say the least. Feels like half the teams we want to compete with have more access to Saudi money than we do. Not that I give a shite. It's an Eddie Howe operation more than any other one imo.

[Fak]

9 minutes ago, The College Dropout said:

 

im at peace that we are not PIFs top 5 footballing priority.  

 

You reckon? I thought we were being used to eventually put Saudi Arabia/PIF on the footballing map. 

[The College Dropout]

1 minute ago, Yorkie said:

 

 to say the least. Feels like half the teams we want to compete with have more access to Saudi money than we do. Not that I give a shite. It's an Eddie Howe operation more than any other one imo.

Which is a bit shit.  A football club is only as good as its owners ambition and acumen. 

[The College Dropout]

1 minute ago, Fak said:

 

You reckon? I thought we were being used to eventually put Saudi Arabia/PIF on the footballing map. 

We aren’t the ones with Ronaldo and Kante. 
 

PIF have basically bought FIFA. If they really wanted too they could buy UEFA the same way PSG owners practically have. 
 

If we were top 3 priority they might even think to avoid buying players from our ‘rivals’. Or only do it by exception but nope.