AyeDubbleYoo Posted October 17, 2022 Share Posted October 17, 2022 We’ve never had a proper elite structure with top people in every major role. Immense TBH. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colos Short and Curlies Posted October 17, 2022 Share Posted October 17, 2022 And they still haven't responded to my begging letter to become CFO Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keegans Export Posted October 17, 2022 Share Posted October 17, 2022 4 hours ago, Lazarus said: I wonder how much our non playing staff wage bill has increased by over the last 12 months? I'm sure I read that Charnley was the lowest-paid Director in the PL and it was only him in the boardroom so I'm guessing the answer is "a lot" Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Bonk Posted October 17, 2022 Share Posted October 17, 2022 Wonder what Forest are paying him to be ineffective? Half eaten bacon sarnie and bus fare? Also, Forest is sponsor-less STILL because the owner wants 10mill per season. Imagine sending Charners to negotiate that fee. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobbydazzla Posted October 17, 2022 Share Posted October 17, 2022 (edited) 37 minutes ago, Keegans Export said: I'm sure I read that Charnley was the lowest-paid Director in the PL and it was only him in the boardroom so I'm guessing the answer is "a lot" Can remember around 2015 there was an article I saw about top flight CEO / MD wages which showed Thumbheed was on £100,000 compared to the CEO’s / MD’s of the well run clubs being on £1,000,000+ He was paid fuck all compared to his peer group and that was reflective of 1) his lack of capability and 2) his boss being a massive cunt Edited October 17, 2022 by bobbydazzla Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dokko Posted October 17, 2022 Share Posted October 17, 2022 4 minutes ago, bobbydazzla said: Can remember around 2015 there was an article I saw about top flight CEO / MD wages which showed Thumbheed was on £100,000 compared to the CEO’s / MD’s of the well run clubs being on £1,000,000+ He was paid fuck all compared to his peer group, but that’s also reflective of his lack of capability. Tbf he's been doing the job of about 10 people on a 10th of the wage of one role. Just look at all the people we've brought in to replace him. Had he been 1 person in that 10 he could have been quite capable (personality aside) for a low end prem club. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scotty66 Posted October 17, 2022 Share Posted October 17, 2022 Looking back at how we were run and the managers we had it's absolutely staggering that we didn't sink to League 1 and stay there. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TomYam Posted October 17, 2022 Share Posted October 17, 2022 2 hours ago, Wolfcastle said: Never really known a professional operation here. Hall and co were great promoters and the job they did speaks for itself but it had a fun feel to it, this feels like Mr Burns fleet of ten high priced lawyers by comparison We haven't had a leading professional operation here since the Edwardian era! I'd argue the Hall era began in 1988 and led to in-fighting and relegation. Depending on your opinion, he either got had brilliant foresight to sign KK as manager or it was a deperate last roll of this dice that came up double six. We then went on a wonderful journey for a few years before Hall jumped ship when we hit choppy waters. Everything at the club was built on sand and when it was evident we needed roots investment he shut up shop and then sold up to the first person who was prepared to pay the inflated sale price (Ashley). Our owners are trying to make up decades of ground on the most professionally run clubs like Arsenal, Liverpool and ManU - especially in marketing. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlazeT44 Posted October 17, 2022 Share Posted October 17, 2022 57 minutes ago, Scotty66 said: Looking back at how we were run and the managers we had it's absolutely staggering that we didn't sink to League 1 and stay there. Makes me so thankful for the likes of Chris Houghton and Rafa...!! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
duo Posted October 17, 2022 Share Posted October 17, 2022 Never need an excuse to re-post this. Sums up the takeover so well.. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Groundhog63 Posted October 18, 2022 Share Posted October 18, 2022 7 hours ago, TomYam said: We haven't had a leading professional operation here since the Edwardian era! I'd argue the Hall era began in 1988 and led to in-fighting and relegation. Depending on your opinion, he either got had brilliant foresight to sign KK as manager or it was a deperate last roll of this dice that came up double six. We then went on a wonderful journey for a few years before Hall jumped ship when we hit choppy waters. Everything at the club was built on sand and when it was evident we needed roots investment he shut up shop and then sold up to the first person who was prepared to pay the inflated sale price (Ashley). Our owners are trying to make up decades of ground on the most professionally run clubs like Arsenal, Liverpool and ManU - especially in marketing. This. John Hall's a fraud. Massive tory donating fraud to boot. People arse licking him and remembering the glory days are like a bloke pining for his ex-wife because she gave him the best blowy ever whilst forgetting, when she binned him off, the house was repossessed and all the credit cards were maxed out Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitley mag Posted October 18, 2022 Share Posted October 18, 2022 Hall can be given credit for bringing in Keegan and showing ambition, they undoubtedly lit the blue torch paper, however I think Keegan and Freddie Fletcher were the football and business brains behind the success. Unfortunately Hall seen the £ signs like the crooks before him and milked the club through ghost offices and factories, using clubs money to buy Woolsington then siphoning it off much like Ashley has with the Gallowgate land and making millions out of floating the club, then selling the club to an individual who despite his claims he knew was only interested in promoting his tat empire. The current owners are in a different league to all that have went before on current evidence. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wallsendmag Posted October 18, 2022 Share Posted October 18, 2022 1 hour ago, Groundhog63 said: This. John Hall's a fraud. Massive tory donating fraud to boot. People arse licking him and remembering the glory days are like a bloke pining for his ex-wife because she gave him the best blowy ever whilst forgetting, when she binned him off, the house was repossessed and all the credit cards were maxed out Usually agree with you on most football related matters but can't on this one mate! I loved SJH and my best times and memories of being a NUFC supporter are from when he owned the club. When he took over we were playing in a crumbling wreck of a ground with no protection from the elements unless you were prepared to pay for a seat. The club was skint, crowds were dwindling and the team were heading into Division 3 and oblivion. He brought in Keegan. He immediately galvanised the whole club. He rebuilt the stadium into one of the best in Europe at the time and we had an unbelievable team out on the pitch. Amazing times and memories which I wouldn't swap fro anything. We literally went from relegation to Division 3 certainties in 1992 to a 3rd place Premier League finish in 1994! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RUHRLYASLEEVESUP Posted October 18, 2022 Share Posted October 18, 2022 1 minute ago, Wallsendmag said: Usually agree with you on most football related matters but can't on this one mate! I loved SJH and my best times and memories of being a NUFC supporter are from when he owned the club. When he took over we were playing in a crumbling wreck of a ground with no protection from the elements unless you were prepared to pay for a seat. The club was skint, crowds were dwindling and the team were heading into Division 3 and oblivion. He brought in Keegan. He immediately galvanised the whole club. He rebuilt the stadium into one of the best in Europe at the time and we had an unbelievable team out on the pitch. Amazing times and memories which I wouldn't swap fro anything. We literally went from relegation to Division 3 certainties in 1992 to a 3rd place Premier League finish in 1994! 100% agree, Sir John did a million times more good for the club than harm. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Groundhog63 Posted October 18, 2022 Share Posted October 18, 2022 3 minutes ago, Wallsendmag said: Usually agree with you on most football related matters but can't on this one mate! I loved SJH and my best times and memories of being a NUFC supporter are from when he owned the club. When he took over we were playing in a crumbling wreck of a ground with no protection from the elements unless you were prepared to pay for a seat. The club was skint, crowds were dwindling and the team were heading into Division 3 and oblivion. He brought in Keegan. He immediately galvanised the whole club. He rebuilt the stadium into one of the best in Europe at the time and we had an unbelievable team out on the pitch. Amazing times and memories which I wouldn't swap fro anything. We literally went from relegation to Division 3 certainties in 1992 to a 3rd place Premier League finish in 1994! I agree with all that magnificent blowy stuff. I orgasmed as well. However he never put a penny in. Milked it then made a wedge. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBrownBottle Posted October 18, 2022 Share Posted October 18, 2022 It’s worth remembering that we rebuilt the ground and the team through our money. The Halls and Shepherds put a relatively small amount in and got massive returns - and I’m not just talking dividends. Cameron Hall benefitted from massive contracts to rebuild SJP - what little was put in likely found it’s way straight back. Loved the team we had, KK and the era generally. But the reality is that was down to us having the most expensive tickets in the country, selling tops and other paraphernalia and basically having one of the highest club turnovers in Europe (the earliest I can find with Deloitte has us 4th in European football in 97-98). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wallsendmag Posted October 18, 2022 Share Posted October 18, 2022 27 minutes ago, TheBrownBottle said: It’s worth remembering that we rebuilt the ground and the team through our money. The Halls and Shepherds put a relatively small amount in and got massive returns - and I’m not just talking dividends. Cameron Hall benefitted from massive contracts to rebuild SJP - what little was put in likely found it’s way straight back. Loved the team we had, KK and the era generally. But the reality is that was down to us having the most expensive tickets in the country, selling tops and other paraphernalia and basically having one of the highest club turnovers in Europe (the earliest I can find with Deloitte has us 4th in European football in 97-98). We certainly didn't have the most expensive tickets in the country. That was Chelsea by an absolute mile! My season ticket cost £45 in 1991, was held at the same price in 1992 and jumped up to £178 in the new Leazes End in 1993. Pretty sure we outsold everybother club in England for replica shirt sales for a time though. Hall took a gamble on us and it paid off. To take a club from where he found us to where he left us was nothing short of amazing. Standing there in a crumbling wreck of a ground with 14,000 others was a pretty grim experience before he came in and rescued us. I don't begrudge him a penny of what he walked off with. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBrownBottle Posted October 18, 2022 Share Posted October 18, 2022 (edited) 1 hour ago, Wallsendmag said: We certainly didn't have the most expensive tickets in the country. That was Chelsea by an absolute mile! My season ticket cost £45 in 1991, was held at the same price in 1992 and jumped up to £178 in the new Leazes End in 1993. Pretty sure we outsold everybother club in England for replica shirt sales for a time though. Hall took a gamble on us and it paid off. To take a club from where he found us to where he left us was nothing short of amazing. Standing there in a crumbling wreck of a ground with 14,000 others was a pretty grim experience before he came in and rescued us. I don't begrudge him a penny of what he walked off with. The Halls took possibly as much as a nine-figure sum out of the club. And by 1995-96 the club had the highest average season ticket prices in the country, though not necessarily the highest individual tickets. Also worth noting that post-Taylor just about every club in the top couple of divisions has stadiums which look very different to what they did in the early-‘90s. If it wasn’t Hall, it would have been someone else. Even the Mackems had a 48,000 all-seater by the end of the decade. edit: changed ten- to nine-figure. John Hall is not a billionaire. In a very real sense (Viz reference) Edited October 18, 2022 by TheBrownBottle Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
geordie_b Posted October 18, 2022 Share Posted October 18, 2022 6 minutes ago, TheBrownBottle said: The Halls took possibly as much as a ten-figure sum out of the club. 10 figures? Really??? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBrownBottle Posted October 18, 2022 Share Posted October 18, 2022 3 minutes ago, geordie_b said: 10 figures? Really??? Yep - though the below doesn’t account for the money made by Cameron Hall for ground redevelopment. https://amp.theguardian.com/football/2009/feb/11/newcastle-united-freddy-shepherd-john-hall Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
1964 Posted October 18, 2022 Share Posted October 18, 2022 2 minutes ago, geordie_b said: 10 figures? Really??? Yeah, isn't that a £billion, sounds like a Dr Evil ransom demand Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBrownBottle Posted October 18, 2022 Share Posted October 18, 2022 1 minute ago, 1964 said: Yeah, isn't that a £billion, sounds like a Dr Evil ransom demand Haha yep, apologies, it’s late and I’m knackered. Nine-figure sum Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBrownBottle Posted October 18, 2022 Share Posted October 18, 2022 (edited) Tyneside wasn’t exactly in a depressed state when Ashley bought the Halls and Shepherds out from my recollection. Most seem pretty happy to see them off. Ashley of course was a fucking disaster, but that couldn’t be known then edit: the general point I was making tbh was that the club’s rise and rise was built around the fans - it was the support that provided the money to build KK’s team (and his brilliance as a motivator and love of proper football which fed back into us). It wasn’t a Jack Walker-style club. This time when we rise back up the money won’t really come from us anymore, of course - though it is the support again which attracted the new owners to the club. So this time, we’re indirectly driving it - but they wouldn’t be here without the support being as big and as crackers as it is. Edited October 18, 2022 by TheBrownBottle Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Groundhog63 Posted October 18, 2022 Share Posted October 18, 2022 John Hall's a cunt. The end ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wallsendmag Posted October 18, 2022 Share Posted October 18, 2022 31 minutes ago, TheBrownBottle said: The Halls took possibly as much as a ten-figure sum out of the club. And by 1995-96 the club had the highest average season ticket prices in the country, though not necessarily the highest individual tickets. Also worth noting that post-Taylor just about every club in the top couple of divisions has stadiums which look very different to what they did in the early-‘90s. If it wasn’t Hall, it would have been someone else. Even the Mackems had a 48,000 all-seater by the end of the decade. There's an awful lot of presumptions, possiblys, and may haves in that statement. And we certainly didn't have the highest season ticket prices in the country at that point. I had a season ticket throughout that time and can't remember amy sharp increases. In fact even when Mike Ashley took over in 2007 ST prices in the Leazes/Gallowgate were onky around the £400 mark. Checkout what Ken Bates was charging Chelsea fans in the mid 90s! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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