junkhead Posted June 12 Share Posted June 12 (edited) 12 minutes ago, Kid Icarus said: Yous don't need to do any mental gymnastics and whataboutery you know? We're in bed with some of the worst cunts on the planet and their allies, there's no need to dance around it. Aye, it's not ideal.. didn't mean to convey whatabouttery like that but my vocab is very limited today. As an eastern european junkhead, there are absolutely levels to this shit and the limitless evil of putin's russia trumps everything for me... I know KSA were flirting with the BRICS bullshit, they're probably prone to fixing oil prices together and that but .. ah fuck it I'm doing it again Edited June 12 by junkhead Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Menace Posted June 12 Share Posted June 12 Our last owner put everyone on furlough and literally had most of his staff on 0 hour contracts Better the devil and all that shite though right Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr.Spaceman Posted June 12 Share Posted June 12 Nah man, it's completely black and white, there's nothing in between and it's not even worth debating. Never forget that Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
christ Posted June 12 Share Posted June 12 Football fans are fucking odd. Imagine breaking your back to minimise the misbehaviour of our fucking sleeve sponsor It was bad enough when we had people leaping to the defence of the Saudis, but let’s not completely debase ourselves by saying it’s fine for Noon to be cunts because Amazon are a bit shit too. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr.Spaceman Posted June 12 Share Posted June 12 Just now, christ said: Football fans are fucking odd. Imagine breaking your back to minimise the misbehaviour of our fucking sleeve sponsor It was bad enough when we had people leaping to the defence of the Saudis, but let’s not completely debase ourselves by saying it’s fine for Noon to be cunts because Amazon are a bit shit too. Nobody is doing that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Menace Posted June 12 Share Posted June 12 No one here is openly defending our owners or saying any of this is alright.. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keegans Export Posted June 12 Share Posted June 12 22 minutes ago, Dr.Spaceman said: I hate this "you've fucked up so we're severing all ties" culture. There's a huge difference between a fuck-up/mistake/error in judgement and a persistent culture of mistreatment which is what is being alleged here. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid Icarus Posted June 12 Share Posted June 12 (edited) 5 minutes ago, Menace said: Our last owner put everyone on furlough and literally had most of his staff on 0 hour contracts Better the devil and all that shite though right We're not going to pretend our hatred for Ashley had anything to do with his working practices - in the context of then reflexively jumping to deflect for Saudi Arabia - are we. Edited June 12 by Kid Icarus Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr.Spaceman Posted June 12 Share Posted June 12 Just now, Keegans Export said: There's a huge difference between a fuck-up/mistake/error in judgement and a persistent culture of mistreatment which is what is being alleged here. Apologies. I hate this "you've a persistent culture of mistreatment so we're severing all ties" culture. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
christ Posted June 12 Share Posted June 12 2 minutes ago, Dr.Spaceman said: Nobody is doing that. One of the first posts after the article was shared is “what about Liverpool’s sponsor” man Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
80 Posted June 12 Share Posted June 12 38 minutes ago, STM said: This is what happens when you get an Everton fan as a Newcastle correspondent. Na, it's shit craic from noon like. I think both things are true. We'd be all over it if it was Sports Direct, but if Apple sponsored Tottenham, I don't think we'd be getting articles on Tottenham's relationship with child labour in African mineral mines. Read most of the article. Looks pretty standard for our globalised, migration-reliant economy. Grim, in other words. Haven't come out of it feeling Noon (and their supply network) or Saudi Arabia are in any way exceptional. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid Icarus Posted June 12 Share Posted June 12 1 minute ago, Dr.Spaceman said: Apologies. I hate this "you've a persistent culture of mistreatment so we're severing all ties" culture. Why? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aiston Posted June 12 Share Posted June 12 Shocked at our scum of the earth owners, absolutely shocked. We'll see more shitty companies sponsoring us over the years too, considering our owners practices. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keegans Export Posted June 12 Share Posted June 12 2 minutes ago, Dr.Spaceman said: Apologies. I hate this "you've a persistent culture of mistreatment so we're severing all ties" culture. Well, I wasn't expecting that reply Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr.Spaceman Posted June 12 Share Posted June 12 1 minute ago, Kid Icarus said: Why? Because the person / company in the wrong doesn't learn anything. We entered into a partnership with them, which suggests somewhat of a two-way street. Why can't we work with them to help them be better? Surely that's the best possible outcome here. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
christ Posted June 12 Share Posted June 12 1 minute ago, Dr.Spaceman said: Because the person / company in the wrong doesn't learn anything. We entered into a partnership with them, which suggests somewhat of a two-way street. Why can't we work with them to help them be better? Surely that's the best possible outcome here. Noon are 50 per cent owned by the entity that owns 75 per cent of us. Do we need someone at PIF to organise a meeting with themselves and explain why mistreatment of migrant workers is bad? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
junkhead Posted June 12 Share Posted June 12 (edited) 3 minutes ago, Dr.Spaceman said: Because the person / company in the wrong doesn't learn anything. We entered into a partnership with them, which suggests somewhat of a two-way street. Why can't we work with them to help them be better? Surely that's the best possible outcome here. Cause systematic abuse of workers is a serious criminal offence? Not that the (endless) article gives much proof of this Edited June 12 by junkhead Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Menace Posted June 12 Share Posted June 12 2 minutes ago, christ said: Noon are 50 per cent owned by the entity that owns 75 per cent of us. Do we need someone at PIF to organise a meeting with themselves and explain why mistreatment of migrant workers is bad? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr.Spaceman Posted June 12 Share Posted June 12 That's fine, just fuck them off and let them continue with much less scrutiny on them then. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid Icarus Posted June 12 Share Posted June 12 19 minutes ago, Dr.Spaceman said: Because the person / company in the wrong doesn't learn anything. We entered into a partnership with them, which suggests somewhat of a two-way street. Why can't we work with them to help them be better? Surely that's the best possible outcome here. Providing we pretend this is something they hadn't learned beforehand, you want the club that's majority owned by KSA to teach itself about the ethics of good working practices? Companies only ever pretend to learn one way as well, when it affects their bottom line. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChrisMcQuillan Posted June 12 Share Posted June 12 (edited) Par for the course with our owners. Edited June 12 by ChrisMcQuillan Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Jinx Posted June 12 Share Posted June 12 Funny, I remember mentioning that shit about sports direct to people at the time who sort of shrugged their shoulders and said it wouldn’t stop them shopping there. The only difference with this one is the KSA virtue signalling that the journos love to be part of for obvious reasons. It won’t go much further than that as deep down, nobody really cares about those workers, they’re just being used for a parallel cause. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted June 12 Share Posted June 12 People pick and choose what works for them, and will turn a blind eye to what suits them. I don't think we're much different when it comes 'accepting' our Saudi ownership. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Butcher Posted June 12 Share Posted June 12 It's a shame, but in reality I couldn't give less of a fuck. Like with most things going on in Saudi. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid Icarus Posted June 12 Share Posted June 12 5 minutes ago, Dr Jinx said: Funny, I remember mentioning that shit about sports direct to people at the time who sort of shrugged their shoulders and said it wouldn’t stop them shopping there. The only difference with this one is the KSA virtue signalling that the journos love to be part of for obvious reasons. It won’t go much further than that as deep down, nobody really cares about those workers, they’re just being used for a parallel cause. The same people will be shrugging about KSA going far beyond Ashley's working practices. Journalists reported on Ashley and Sports Direct's practices a lot, it was in the news loads. Imo the only difference you'll see is the slither of people who pretended to care about Mike Ashley's working practices as a means to remove him from a football club he wasn't investing in, who don't mind that (and more) so much when an entity infinitely more evil does invest in that football club. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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