Backroom & executive staff

[The Bonk]

28 minutes ago, Emotic said:

Spot on. Take the CEO role, for example - they need someone who knows the league, knows the movers and shakers, can schmooze with them to get what the club wants, and yet is firm enough and respected enough to tell them to get stuffed in the face of any anticompetitive shenanigans. And this is just for the "football side" of the corporation that he (or she) will have to run. There aren't a lot out there who meet these qualifications and most of them are contracted to our rivals in the league.

 

If Newcastle United has any ambitions whatsoever to be in the big leagues in the medium-to-long term, the corporate hires have to be as thoroughly selected, top-quality candidates, as much as the playing staff. If it takes some time, I'm willing to wait. On the playing side, we have a good manager. Let him pick who he wants to get us out of the bottom three come January. Not hard to do. The CEO and DoF can come in later and work with Howe on post-safety reconstruction and review the squad at that juncture.

Amen ??! It is time for this club to be run with an executive branch that will realize it’s potential, mature it’s commercial viability and foster a winning culture as an organization.

 

That will not happen in the span of 8 weeks, which apparently isn’t good enough for some on here.  

 

I have full faith that we will be a billion dollar club (on our own, without PIF) in 5-10 years. 

[Colos Short and Curlies]

In many ways it may be better to not have a DoF in place for January as long as we have an individual capable of doing quick deals.

 

A DoF is going to be looking big picture and long term, what we need in Jan is a group of players that EH identifies as being better than what he has in a few key positions to give us a shot in the arm. A loan like Gini would be great as well, but again its quick short term improvement we are after

[TRon]

38 minutes ago, Emotic said:

Spot on. Take the CEO role, for example - they need someone who knows the league, knows the movers and shakers, can schmooze with them to get what the club wants, and yet is firm enough and respected enough to tell them to get stuffed in the face of any anticompetitive shenanigans. And this is just for the "football side" of the corporation that he (or she) will have to run. There aren't a lot out there who meet these qualifications and most of them are contracted to our rivals in the league.

 

If Newcastle United has any ambitions whatsoever to be in the big leagues in the medium-to-long term, the corporate hires have to be as thoroughly selected, top-quality candidates, as much as the playing staff. If it takes some time, I'm willing to wait. On the playing side, we have a good manager. Let him pick who he wants to get us out of the bottom three come January. Not hard to do. The CEO and DoF can come in later and work with Howe on post-safety reconstruction and review the squad at that juncture.

 

All makes perfect sense.  

[Dokko]

2 minutes ago, Colos Short and Curlies said:

In many ways it may be better to not have a DoF in place for January as long as we have an individual capable of doing quick deals.

 

A DoF is going to be looking big picture and long term, what we need in Jan is a group of players that EH identifies as being better than what he has in a few key positions to give us a shot in the arm. A loan like Gini would be great as well, but again its quick short term improvement we are after

 

DoF can either pickup now where the squad needs an overhaul or pick up in the summer where it needs an overhaul minus 3 or so players. It's not a big issue as long as we have people willing to grt players in. If so they'll come. 

[Emotic]

7 minutes ago, Colos Short and Curlies said:

In many ways it may be better to not have a DoF in place for January as long as we have an individual capable of doing quick deals.

 

A DoF is going to be looking big picture and long term, what we need in Jan is a group of players that EH identifies as being better than what he has in a few key positions to give us a shot in the arm. A loan like Gini would be great as well, but again its quick short term improvement we are after

This is precisely why a "short-term hire" to assist Howe out for the January window isn't the disaster that some on here claim. It's just a small team that will help Howe land some solid players that will help get us out of the foot of the table, whilst Howe continues to concentrate on the training and tactics. 

 

A "proper" DoF will then be a part of the larger reconstruction, provided that we move far up enough in the table to have a measure of confidence that we'd be building for a challenge for the Premier League title, and not the Championship title.

[Emotic]

22 minutes ago, The Bonk said:

Amen ??! It is time for this club to be run with an executive branch that will realize it’s potential, mature it’s commercial viability and foster a winning culture as an organization.

 

That will not happen in the span of 8 weeks, which apparently isn’t good enough for some on here.  

 

I have full faith that we will be a billion dollar club (on our own, without PIF) in 5-10 years. 

And in order to attract that calibre of executive, I'd daresay that we'd need to offer assurances that the club's trajectory will be ever upwards, with an eye on the ultimate prize. It won't be easy at this juncture when we're in the bottom three, with just one win this season. The prospect of one (or more) "lost years" in the Championship will temper the appetites of top-quality football execs, no matter how much the proffered pay (and it's not like PIF would pay stupid money either).

 

I'd postulate that a fair few of our prospective targets would want to wait until later in the season, with us where we are in the table. And our owners are moving strategically to get us up the table as a first priority, without rushing into quickie hires of what ought to be long-term staff to fulfil a vision.

[Guest HTT II]

I think we will go after the Liverpool guy after the season ends. 

[Emotic]

4 minutes ago, HTT II said:

I think we will go after the Liverpool guy after the season ends. 

Richard Scudamore as CEO and Michael Edwards as DoF/Sporting Director would be a executive "Dream Team". Scudamore would certainly know how to navigate the snake pit that is the Premier League.

 

Our top priority now is to NOT. GET. RELEGATED. That can be done without a top CEO or a DoF for now. We did it last season with Charnley. Just do that and then bring in some solid picks with a vision of a title in three years.

 

 

Edited December 9, 2021 by Emotic

[Fantail Breeze]

20 minutes ago, Emotic said:

This is precisely why a "short-term hire" to assist Howe out for the January window isn't the disaster that some on here claim. It's just a small team that will help Howe land some solid players that will help get us out of the foot of the table, whilst Howe continues to concentrate on the training and tactics. 

 

A "proper" DoF will then be a part of the larger reconstruction, provided that we move far up enough in the table to have a measure of confidence that we'd be building for a challenge for the Premier League title, and not the Championship title.

 

People aren’t claiming a short term hire is a problem. People are correctly asking why we’re three weeks away from the window opening and don’t have this short term hire in place.

 

If we’re getting someone in for the short term, fine. But a short term appointment can’t take three months to make. That defeats the whole point of making a short term appointment.

 

As others have said, it would have been ideal to have targets agreed and ready to move as soon as that window opens. We don’t want to drag out deals until the 11th hour.

 

Hopefully this short term appointment will be made imminently and have time to work on getting things done.

[gjohnson]

4 minutes ago, ManDoon said:

If you measure everything against Ashley of course it seems bad to complain, but he have to be able to have healthy discourse. I personally think we seem to be fumbling the ball on the DoF search and have left it too late in a very important window. That in know way means I want them out. 

Not necessarily....unless the candidate is out of work, immediately available, and meets the requirements it could easily take 3-6 months to get someone permanently.

 

Most skilled jobs have a notice/gardening period unless the other company is willing to negotiate and wouldn't expect this to be any different for such a senior position. 

[Happinesstan]

It is, I believe, still possible to buy footballers without a DOF. 

[Emotic]

10 minutes ago, Fantail Breeze said:

 

People aren’t claiming a short term hire is a problem. People are correctly asking why we’re three weeks away from the window opening and don’t have this short term hire in place.

 

 

This is a fair comment and my own (wildly speculative) reading of the events since takeover is that the new owners had a Plan A Blueprint to follow in the event of a smooth, pre-season takeover.

 

They tried to institute "Plan A", but were caught out by the fact that "Plan A" executive picks would balk as a) they were now under contract in the middle of a season; and b) Newcastle United is mired at matchday 14, at the foot of the table. So, they had to, very recently and belatedly, pivot to a "Plan B" - get a team to help with January transfers, and get us to safety as a first priority. Leave the big hires for later, when we're safe.

 

Again, wildly speculative, but not an impossible scenario.

[gjohnson]

2 minutes ago, Happinesstan said:

It is, I believe, still possible to buy footballers without a DOF. 

Possible yes, but we've seen how difficult it is to get things over the line when there's only one person with a dot matrix printer and out of date fax machine to do it

[Hhtoon]

We have a Head of recruitment already, surely this is just someone to assist him with the actual process when it happens, rather than an integral part of the structure with any decision making. 

 

No need to get them in early, just for Jan when they're needed (for our 100m transfer window )

 

[Happinesstan]

2 minutes ago, gjohnson said:

Possible yes, but we've seen how difficult it is to get things over the line when there's only one person with a dot matrix printer and out of date fax machine to do it

I believe intent was the missing ingredient, previously.

[Gaztoon]

3 minutes ago, gjohnson said:

Possible yes, but we've seen how difficult it is to get things over the line when there's only one person with a dot matrix printer and out of date fax machine to do it

 

Having £6.50 to spend under Ashley was the reason we couldn't get anything over the line.

[Lazarus]

It wasnt so long ago that having DoF was seen as unneccesary and disruptive.

 

Now its viewed as essential to our future success and we might fail without one.

[gjohnson]

Just now, Gaztoon said:

 

Having £6.50 to spend under Ashley was the reason we couldn't get anything over the line.

Having a grand total of 2 people (Charnley/Nixon) who both had to get approval from MA via Barnes looking after all player recruitment was the reason we couldn't get anything over the line. Money was there as Big Jo proved 

[TRon]

24 minutes ago, Fantail Breeze said:

 

People aren’t claiming a short term hire is a problem. People are correctly asking why we’re three weeks away from the window opening and don’t have this short term hire in place.

 

If we’re getting someone in for the short term, fine. But a short term appointment can’t take three months to make. That defeats the whole point of making a short term appointment.

 

As others have said, it would have been ideal to have targets agreed and ready to move as soon as that window opens. We don’t want to drag out deals until the 11th hour.

 

Hopefully this short term appointment will be made imminently and have time to work on getting things done.

 

I wouldn't be surprised if Howe hasn't had a lot to say about this tbh. He's used to running things from top to bottom at Bournemouth, he might well think in the short term he can advise and let Staveley or whoever, do the negotiating. 

[Guest HTT II]

4 minutes ago, TRon said:

 

I wouldn't be surprised if Howe hasn't had a lot to say about this tbh. He's used to running things from top to bottom at Bournemouth, he might well think in the short term he can advise and let Staveley or whoever, do the negotiating. 

They’d be crazy not to get the one man with tonnes of experience involved.

[JonBez comesock]

If we had of got someone in early 

 

“Wow , This is amazing , we have a real football set up , Preparing for January, love it”

 

If we don’t get anyone in before January 

 

“It’s probably for the best , as Eddie Howe Knows what we need ,these things take time , Best waiting until after January when the dust has settled , these jobs take time”

 

if we still haven’t got anyone in before the summer 

 

“Well, Who needs a director of football , they just cause friction , we have enough footballing people to make decisions” 

 

 

[Guest HTT II]

6 minutes ago, Lazarus said:

It wasnt so long ago that having DoF was seen as unneccesary and disruptive.

 

Now its viewed as essential to our future success and we might fail without one.

I’m a bit old school me, you let the manager run the whole show, but you need a world-class manager to entrust that kind of operation with. Rafa 100%, a Harry Redknapp, no way. Football clubs are more of a business these days, and big business, so any operation looking to be successful needs a whole team of experts in their field these days from CEOs to DOFs to fitness experts, media, the lot. 

[gjohnson]

1 minute ago, JonBez comesock said:

If we had of got someone in early 

 

“Wow , This is amazing , we have a real football set up , Preparing for January, love it”

 

If we don’t get anyone in before January 

 

“It’s probably for the best , as Eddie Howe Knows what we need ,these things take time , Best waiting until after January when the dust has settled , these jobs take time”

 

if we still haven’t got anyone in before the summer 

 

“Well, Who needs a director of football , they just cause friction , we have enough footballing people to make decisions” 

 

 

erghh

[Dr Jinx]

8 minutes ago, Lazarus said:

It wasnt so long ago that having DoF was seen as unneccesary and disruptive.

 

Now its viewed as essential to our future success and we might fail without one.

 

I think it all depends on the type of person they are. Too many egos will never end well, we need someone to come in who buys into Eddie Howe's philosophy and will be there to only support him in achieving what he wants.

 

Bringing someone in who thinks he knows better and will work against those interests will cause tension and ultimately, failure.

 

It's why I think that Edwards guy from Liverpool could be a real option, they are good mates so there would be no issue about egos there.

[Dokko]

Tbh we should be looking to sign up a couple of players in the next week ready for January. It's really not that far away and every day counts. We can't afford to start bidding and negotiating in Jan, this needs to be done this month ready to finalise as soon as possible. We don't need a DoF to do this, we do need some urgency and understanding how critical the situation is at the club.