Eddie Howe

[SteV]

19 minutes ago, Tiresias said:

i got laughed out of town for this, but Howe has now had his 'poor season' which the owners have given him, they won't let him have another, and with staverley gone he has less friends in board room. If we have a bad start i have no doubt he will be gone unless everyone gets injured from car crashes that arent his fault or something as we have fewer games to worry about. In short I do think he has more pressure than other managers in the league and if we're deep midtable in mid october i imagine there will be serious rumblings. 

 

This is not what i think will happen by the way i think we will have a good season. 

 

 

 

Surely that applies to just about everyone of the top 7 teams?

 

If Liverpool are 11th at Xmas, Slot will probably be out on his arse. Same for Ten Hag. 

[Theregulars]

Yeh I can sort of understand it from an outsider putting what they know together and drawing a conclusion, but I’ve just not got the impression that we’re run by idiots, short-termists or hotheads. It’s interesting food for thought to wonder what happens if we finish 7th again in similar circumstances (injuries everywhere), mind.

[Ash]

16 minutes ago, Tiresias said:

 

Yeah fuck commas.

 

It's clearly not nonsense, think if we have a bad start we are going to give him another season not bothering champions league with our PSR nonsense issues? And again Howe is great, this is not going to happen but I can understand why bookies have him as a favourite. 

I’m not sure you do considering you’ve failed to name the main reason why he’s favourite. 

[Tiresias]

16 minutes ago, SUPERTOON said:

He’s under less pressure as it stands given we haven’t made any major transfers. We go into next week with a weaker starting 11 than at the beginning of last season (as it stands currently).

 

 

 

 

Don't disagree, again just can understand the wavelength the betting odds are on. 

[Tiresias]

17 minutes ago, SteV said:

Surely that applies to just about everyone of the top 7 teams?

 

If Liverpool are 11th at Xmas, Slot will probably be out on his arse. Same for Ten Hag. 

 

Again don't disagree I just can at least understand betting companies there. Slot will be given time more likely though. Ten Hag yeah can definitely see him being sacked. 

[Tiresias]

18 minutes ago, Theregulars said:

Yeh I can sort of understand it from an outsider putting what they know together and drawing a conclusion, but I’ve just not got the impression that we’re run by idiots, short-termists or hotheads. It’s interesting food for thought to wonder what happens if we finish 7th again in similar circumstances (injuries everywhere), mind.

 

I definitely think their perception of our owners is wrong, I'm with you on that, however I also don't think it is short termist of them to be concerned if we look far away from champions league money. Look at what happened when we missed it this year panic sales and nearly getting points deductions. Unfortunately now failing to achieve league position does have tremendous long term impact. A few more wins last season we still have Minteh if he goes on to be a world beater could have been a massive sliding doors moment for us. (we will be fine and find other world beaters). 

 

I'm not saying I think Howe will be sacked, I am saying I can understand the chain of logic that he is at risk. 

[Erikse]

24 minutes ago, Theregulars said:

Yeh I can sort of understand it from an outsider putting what they know together and drawing a conclusion, but I’ve just not got the impression that we’re run by idiots, short-termists or hotheads. It’s interesting food for thought to wonder what happens if we finish 7th again in similar circumstances (injuries everywhere), mind.

 

Most football owners in general are somewhat impatient. They have already proven that they are not hotheads, but that doesn't mean that Howe is immune. I'm sure they consider the injuries and other things last season, but likewise we now have a fully fit squad and no Europe. So currently there's no excuse to a poor first 2-3 months of the season. We would probably have to be mid table or so for it to be a discussion (apart from the usual media gibberish), so I definelty wouldn't put my money on it, hence why it's still not reasonable to have him as the nr 1 most likely one to get fired.

 

 

Edited August 10, 2024 by Erikse

[Tiresias]

14 minutes ago, Ash said:

I’m not sure you do considering you’ve failed to name the main reason why he’s favourite. 

 

I did read back at my first post, I think I misjudged what I wrote a bit, I said no doubt he will be gone which is flat out completely wrong, sorry in the middle of stuff was poorly worded, I should have said essentially if the owners lose hope early of a better finish to this season than last because of a bad start (and i mean terrible start, not moderate) I think he would be replaced, which is what the betting companies are suggesting. I wouldn't myself put the odds anywhere near that because Howe is really good and I'm sure we will have a good start and nothing worse than an average one. Anyway sorry for the first post, hope that clarifies. I don't agree he should be favourite but i can understand why the betting companies may be thinking that way. 

[Tiresias]

1 minute ago, Erikse said:

 

Most football owners in general are somewhat impatient. They have already proven that they are not hotheads, but that doesn't mean that Howe is immune. I'm sure they consider the injuries and other things last season, but likewise we now have a fully fit squad and no Europe. So currently there's no excuse to a poor first 2-3 months of the season. We would probably have to be mid table or so for it to be a discussion (apart from the usual media gibberish), so I definelty wouldn't put my money on it, hence why it's still not reasonable at all to have him as the most likely one.

 

 

 

 

This is basically where I am at, and I agree actually surely one of the promoted team maangers gets the sack first regardless, but I still think people underplay staverley being gone a bit in all this, she was on record as his big champion. But we're not run by hasty hotheads so yes in that sense the betting companies miscalculate, but in general football manager terms the ingredients are in the mix a bit imo. I do stand by Howe being under more pressure having been given time and patience, I don't think he starts the season blank slate. 

[Fezzle]

Ah good, stopped pissing the bed over transfers and went straight to Howe. Thank god there's football back on

[Tiresias]

I think what's happened here is I have decided to pick the silliest hill to die on here somewhat given that 

a) I don't think Howe will be sacked

b) I don't think Howe deserves to be sacked

c) I think the betting companies are basically wrong

 

but I do see the chain of logic that gets them to their conclusion. 

And for this minor quibble over essentially semantics I am apparenly pissing the bed. I am mainly wondering a) why everyone is so furious at me for such a minor thing and b) why I bothered to argue this incredibly pedantic minor point in short

 

[jack j]

19 minutes ago, Tiresias said:

 

Don't disagree, again just can understand the wavelength the betting odds are on. 

He's still 2nd favourite for the England job which he's pretty much said he doesn't want. That's probably something to do with it

[Andy84]

He’s class and getting better 

[jack j]

That Dom Solanke signing people used to use as a stick to beat Eddie with didn't end up too badly for Bournemouth did it..

[Lotus]

1 hour ago, jack j said:

That Dom Solanke signing people used to use as a stick to beat Eddie with didn't end up too badly for Bournemouth did it..

Tbf a manager should sign players that will benefit himself and the team while he’s there, not a couple of managers later.

[Matt1892]

1 minute ago, Lotus said:

Tbf a manager should sign players that will benefit himself and the team while he’s there, not a couple of managers later.

The only manager that should take credit for Solanke becoming the player he is now is Iraola.

[BottledDog]

1 hour ago, Tiresias said:

I think what's happened here is I have decided to pick the silliest hill to die on here somewhat given that 

a) I don't think Howe will be sacked

b) I don't think Howe deserves to be sacked

c) I think the betting companies are basically wrong

 

but I do see the chain of logic that gets them to their conclusion. 

And for this minor quibble over essentially semantics I am apparenly pissing the bed. I am mainly wondering a) why everyone is so furious at me for such a minor thing and b) why I bothered to argue this incredibly pedantic minor point in short

 

 

But why bother your arse over scenarios you don't think will happen?

It's as pointlessly depressive as adding a reminder alarm for every morning in your calendar app with the words "One day closer to Eddie leaving. :(".

[Matt1892]

When the favourite is 8/1 it suggests that there is no real idea who is going first, but some of the thinking around Howe will be the England job.

 

 

[Erikse]

4 hours ago, BottledDog said:

 

But why bother your arse over scenarios you don't think will happen?

It's as pointlessly depressive as adding a reminder alarm for every morning in your calendar app with the words "One day closer to Eddie leaving. :(".

 

Not sure if you remember, but we were discussing the bookmakers having Howe as favourite to go first, and expressed our opinion about it.

[Stottie]

Dunno where to put this, I didn't see a season's predictions thread, but Opta Analyst has us as fifth. 26% chance of getting Top 4, with Chelsea on 31%. I presume this is based on stats like xG, xGa, actual goal difference etc. Chelsea badly underperformed their numbers under Poch, which is probably why they've been put up there. Poch is gone now and we'll have to see whether their new manager from the Champo can organize a Prem defence. For us, I think we need a combination of a fit Isak, enough fitness and energy in midfield to maintain the press, and a fit Pope or the new guy stepping up. It was probably too hot and humid in Japan, but we didn't play with much of a press and our opponents found lots of joy in the half spaces. Conversely, the press was on fire against Girona, and we blew them away.

 

Depending on the coefficient, fifth might get CL. I'd expect Liverpool to do better than Man U, who lost four games, and Villa just need to avoid the Group of Death and the other little bits of luck we didn't get.

https://theanalyst.com/eu/2024/08/premier-league-predictions-2024-25-opta-supercomputer/

[Bunk Moreland]

 

[Yorkie]

How's he end up talking to complete randomers like that? 

[r0cafella]

1 minute ago, Yorkie said:

How's he end up talking to complete randomers like that? 

Astro is an overseas broadcaster. 

[Coffee_Johnny]

7 hours ago, Yorkie said:

How's he end up talking to complete randomers like that? 

Had the same thought. Guessing he must reach an audience where the club want to increase our profile. 

[r0cafella]

Waugh is on the latest athletic podcast discussing us and for some reason they have Phil Hay on (Leeds United reporter) and he’s absolutely desperate to talk us down, quite shocking like. “Asking if deep down Eddie is desperate to take the England job”