Erikse Posted November 25, 2024 Share Posted November 25, 2024 (edited) 2 minutes ago, Myleftboot said: Hes not going to say he wasn’t arsed about signing him is he? Well, why would he lie right after signing him about personally watching him play with AC Milan and signing him because of the way he played there? Edited November 25, 2024 by Erikse Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Myleftboot Posted November 25, 2024 Share Posted November 25, 2024 1 minute ago, Erikse said: When he signed: Newcastle boss Eddie Howe has revealed he signed £52million midfielder Sandro Tonali after he “fell in love” watching his play for AC Milan last season. What and then keep him on the bench. If I was a coach and “fell in love with a player” he’d play every week. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitley mag Posted November 25, 2024 Share Posted November 25, 2024 Just now, Crimson Cardigan said: Did you rate Gordon before he came in? I was happy with the Gordon signing, then he wasted 40 million on Barnes the following summer. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBrownBottle Posted November 25, 2024 Share Posted November 25, 2024 1 minute ago, Crimson Cardigan said: Yeah but only by default. He will obviously want to hold onto his squad as it was 1. Small and 2. Performing Being loyal to limited players is part and parcel of building a culture. It’s easy to be utterly ruthless from behind the ol keyboard, but limited player Dan Burn was sorely missed tonight and Almiron has little to do with our poor performances given he doesn’t actually play. Howe was much work to do, that is clear - but he needs more help then he is getting. I wouldn’t have included BDB tbh. The fact that Almiron isn’t good enough but almost certainly could’ve been shipped out after his purple patch in 22/23 is actually damning of Howe’s management rather than mitigating. He’s been well supported from the club management and the support so far. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crimson Cardigan Posted November 25, 2024 Share Posted November 25, 2024 Just now, Whitley mag said: I was happy with the Gordon signing, then he wasted 40 million on Barnes the following summer. Right ok. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Erikse Posted November 25, 2024 Share Posted November 25, 2024 (edited) 3 minutes ago, Myleftboot said: What and then keep him on the bench. If I was a coach and “fell in love with a player” he’d play every week. Those quotes are from last year. Cmon man, you're suggesting that Howe made the weirdest lie ever for no reason right after signing him. Howe actually started Tonali several games last season when we had everyone fit, that's highly unusual of him. Even the first game after signing. Edited November 25, 2024 by Erikse Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted November 25, 2024 Share Posted November 25, 2024 One of the reasons I say we look a poorly coached team is that we run out of ideas visibly. I think most well coached teams keep trying what they’ve been coached to do even if it’s not working well. We play with a lot of energy and impetus. But when that faded we don’t know what to do. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted November 25, 2024 Share Posted November 25, 2024 2 minutes ago, Myleftboot said: What and then keep him on the bench. If I was a coach and “fell in love with a player” he’d play every week. He did try and play him every week before he got banned tbf. It just hasn't really worked with Bruno has it? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crimson Cardigan Posted November 25, 2024 Share Posted November 25, 2024 2 minutes ago, TheBrownBottle said: I wouldn’t have included BDB tbh. The fact that Almiron isn’t good enough but almost certainly could’ve been shipped out after his purple patch in 22/23 is actually damning of Howe’s management rather than mitigating. He’s been well supported from the club management and the support so far. I would have sold Almiron too, but we don’t know a bid was made and again it had nothing to do with tonight. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KaKa Posted November 25, 2024 Share Posted November 25, 2024 Had it mostly right at the start, and progressively moved further away from it as time went on, which was incredibly unfortunate. Very worrying as I'm now not sure if he realises how vital it is that we keep Joelinton higher up the pitch, Willock in midfield and just pick a side for Gordon and let him settle in and get into a rhythm there. Thought we were on our way and he had settled on the approach going forward, but there seemed to be more confusion today. Needs to stick with what he started with and start integrating Tonali into the first 11 so we can benefit from the added quality, especially if we can push Bruno further up, so someone can finally play Isak in behind! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Myleftboot Posted November 25, 2024 Share Posted November 25, 2024 Just now, Erikse said: Those quotes are from last year. Cmon man, you're suggesting that Howe made the weirdest lie ever for no reason right after signing him. Howe actually started Tonali right from the first game. Then why not play a 50 million pound Italian international who was captain of a regular champions league team who gets MOTM performances for his country over Sean ‘lovely lad’ Longstaff. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted November 25, 2024 Share Posted November 25, 2024 1 minute ago, The College Dropout said: One of the reasons I say we look a poorly coached team is that we run out of ideas visibly. I think most well coached teams keep trying what they’ve been coached to do even if it’s not working well. We play with a lot of energy and impetus. But when that faded we don’t know what to do. We do try to keep playing a certain way tbf, but some teams know how to counter it, and then we end up looking non-plussed and don't really have any answers. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBrownBottle Posted November 25, 2024 Share Posted November 25, 2024 Just now, Myleftboot said: Then why not play a 50 million pound Italian international who was captain of a regular champions league team who gets MOTM performances for his country over Sean ‘lovely lad’ Longstaff. It would help if Tonali looked much better than Longstaff when he gets minutes like Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Myleftboot Posted November 25, 2024 Share Posted November 25, 2024 Just now, TheBrownBottle said: It would help if Tonali looked much better than Longstaff when he gets minutes like Dear me. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
midds Posted November 25, 2024 Share Posted November 25, 2024 The future prospects of any manager are always pinned to his players and the results they get, that's just how it works. In the last few years Howe has received an unbelievable amount of praise for how he and his team have performed, he's been the manager and the team have looked good and got the results and he's been the golden boy and rightly so. I don't think you can just switch that around and give his (currently underperforming) players all of the stick and he walks away without valid criticism, you can't have it both ways. If the players and team are playing poorly but he gets no criticism but if the players and team are playing well then he gets the praise too? I love Eddie and wat him to stay and build big things here but he's not immune from criticism, no manager is. Tonight was a disaster, a total shitshow and he's the bloke in charge. People can, and have, had a pop at Isak and Gordon for their performances but if they're fair game then so is the bloke in charge. He got it wrong tonight and made it worse and worse imo. He's not infallible and he's got to take the lion's share of the responsibility Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid Icarus Posted November 25, 2024 Share Posted November 25, 2024 Probably because Tonali's not really performing better than supposed worst player ever Sean Longstaff when he does play. If Longstaff's as poor as people go on, Tonali should be a shoo-in, but he's not. Not yet anyway Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Erikse Posted November 25, 2024 Share Posted November 25, 2024 (edited) 4 minutes ago, Myleftboot said: Then why not play a 50 million pound Italian international who was captain of a regular champions league team who gets MOTM performances for his country over Sean ‘lovely lad’ Longstaff. Why did he start Tonali most games before the ban, if he was not a Howe signing? Not even Bruno started in the first 10 games when we had an Ashley team, and Howe said it was because he was from a different league. Howe had a lot of faith in Tonali, that's why he wanted him. You're clutching at straws trying to hold on to your narrative here. Edited November 25, 2024 by Erikse Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Venkman Posted November 25, 2024 Share Posted November 25, 2024 36 minutes ago, Whitley mag said: Exactly not sure how anyone can keep giving him a free pass when it comes to the midfield, it’s been a shambles for months and he clearly has no idea how to integrate Tonali again this season. It’s not a free pass. He’s paid for his pass. Paid good money, as it happens. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Myleftboot Posted November 25, 2024 Share Posted November 25, 2024 2 minutes ago, Erikse said: Why did he start Tonali most games before the ban, if he was not a Howe signing? Not even Bruno started in the first 10 games, and Howe said it was because he was from a different league. Howe had high expecations of Tonali, that's why he wanted him. You're clutching at straws trying to hold on to your narrative here. Bruno signed in the winter window Tonali had the summer to bed in. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Erikse Posted November 25, 2024 Share Posted November 25, 2024 (edited) 2 minutes ago, Myleftboot said: Bruno signed in the winter window Tonali had the summer to bed in. Had the summer to bed in? Howe doesn't bed in players over the summer if they are not even a Howe signing. Edited November 25, 2024 by Erikse Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted November 25, 2024 Share Posted November 25, 2024 28 minutes ago, Kid Icarus said: I come out with it because some of our fanbase are wildly fickle and reductionist to a comical degree. And others only seem to pipe up when we lose. Isak and Gordon had multiple guilt edge chances again tonight and missed them all again. At least Isak can excuse himself overall because he's had a spell of form, but his finishing was still terrible tonight, and Gordon’s has been a joke all season. People knock xG, but it's generally indicative of chances being created. We've had a draw and 2 losses now where our general play has created enough to win and our finishing has let us down. It's a problem, but I don't see much with our creation that points to Howe's approach. Did we have a shot on target or meaningful chance at all in the second half? This is his team, his approach. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted November 25, 2024 Share Posted November 25, 2024 Not sure there's much to level at Howe tonight, we outplayed West Ham in the first half and let in a stupid goal. We played well until they scored the second (against the run of play again) and then we got a bit desperate, started rushing everything and they settled down. I probably wouldn't have played Joelionton on the right mind, I don't understand that one. But I was fully behind the Barnes sub. Haven't seen the second goal back so don't know if Barnes not tracking was a factor. Bringing on Murphy and Wilson is kind of pointless, especially Murphy. But I guess at that point you have to try something. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Myleftboot Posted November 25, 2024 Share Posted November 25, 2024 1 minute ago, Erikse said: Had the summer to bed in? Allright, that's it. Howe doesn't bed in players over the summer. Tonali had the summer to integrate with the team. Bruno was brought in in the winter matches. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Erikse Posted November 25, 2024 Share Posted November 25, 2024 (edited) 2 minutes ago, Myleftboot said: Tonali had the summer to integrate with the team. Bruno was brought in in the winter matches. You don't even believe yourself that it wasn't a Howe signing at this point. You're arguing just for the sake of arguing now, so this is pointless. Edited November 25, 2024 by Erikse Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Theregulars Posted November 25, 2024 Share Posted November 25, 2024 That’s the first time he lost the crowd, I thought. Really bad moment for him. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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