Eddie Howe - Granted Freedom of Newcastle

[TRon]

4 minutes ago, Smal said:

think games like last night convince me more and more that individuals have been letting him down this season more than anything. Obviously it’s partly his responsibility to get players up for games, but performances like last night’s, Arsenal and Man City are night and day to most of our other performances this season.

 

The players are capable and the system works when the players do their jobs, and it can be great to watch. Consistency and determination has to be the players’ responsibility as much as the coaching staff.

 

I think some teams are easier for our style of play as well though. Liverpool come at you so there is more space for our attacking players. Will we be as effective with teams who come and sit back? This is where I would like to see a bit more flexibility in our game plan, maybe don't push forward quite so aggressively when players are just running into a wall of players and losing the ball too easily.

[JEToon]

I thought we were comfortably better against Brighton than we were against Man City like, I don’t even think its that close.  

[wormy]

18 minutes ago, TK-421 said:

Just listening to that, decent so far, about his early career. Not got to Jordans' 'difficult' questions yet.

 

I'm only half an hour in (never seen his podcast so really didn't expect it to be a full hour plus). While the idea that the questions are 'hard-hitting' seems a bit of guff unless it massively picks up, credit where it's due he seems to be letting Eddie do most of the talking. It's nice to see him talking fairly candidly, even while nothing groundbreaking so far.

[gdm]

10 minutes ago, wormy said:

 

I'm only half an hour in (never seen his podcast so really didn't expect it to be a full hour plus). While the idea that the questions are 'hard-hitting' seems a bit of guff unless it massively picks up, credit where it's due he seems to be letting Eddie do most of the talking. It's nice to see him talking fairly candidly, even while nothing groundbreaking so far.

It gets a bit more difficult. Eddie bats then away well 

[80]

5 hours ago, TheBrownBottle said:

I think the problems are far greater than simply missing a few chances.  The performances have been poor generally.  I'm not counting Liverpool - the players self-motivate for games like that.  Every club in the PL ups their game for games like this - and the vast majority don't have the talent we have at our disposal.

 

Next four games will be far more instructive as to whether or not a corner is turned.  We've been average to dogshit in far more games this season than we've been good.  Having watched pretty much all of our games I can't go with a narrative that we've been unlucky - we haven't.

Yeah, agreed. Talking about our missed chances forgets all the goals our opponents cudda shudda scored as well. 

 

Games like Brentford are going to be a lot more informative about the rest of our season, to be honest.

[Astroblack]

Very interesting interview. Certainly better than the one with Neville. Humble, intelligent, self aware, everything you'd want in a manager. 

[Erikse]

4 hours ago, JEToon said:

 

I think it’s a good squad, I just think some have a slight tendency to overlook how good other squads are.

 

It gets said we have international players like it is some exclusive to us thing, its not, loads of teams in the league have good international players. 

 

But what other squads are we talking? I mean we were getting mid table finishes with Bruce and the squad he had. Imo mid table teams are miles away from our squad, so a mid table outcome like 10th would be pretty bad. The problem is just the gap between the heavy hitters and the rest. Can't compare ourselves with them, obviously.

 

 

Edited December 5, 2024 by Erikse

[The College Dropout]

1 hour ago, AyeDubbleYoo said:

Who are the genuine top 6?

The teams with significantly more ability to invest in their squads than the rest of the division.   It’s almost impossible to compete long-term with them. 

[Astroblack]

3 minutes ago, The College Dropout said:

The teams with significantly more ability to invest in their squads than the rest of the division.   It’s almost impossible to compete long-term with them. 

 

I think we can displace Spurs. Levy has made some strange decisions. We did bid 70 mil for Guehi this summer, just got rejected. 

 

 

Edited December 5, 2024 by Astroblack

[Joe1984]

49 minutes ago, Smal said:

think games like last night convince me more and more that individuals have been letting him down this season more than anything. Obviously it’s partly his responsibility to get players up for games, but performances like last night’s, Arsenal and Man City are night and day to most of our other performances this season.

 

The players are capable and the system works when the players do their jobs, and it can be great to watch. Consistency and determination has to be the players’ responsibility as much as the coaching staff.

Nah just sack him.and move on to the next.

 

I mean it worked for Man U, Chelsea, Tottenham etc.

 

Right? 😅

 

[Erikse]

Lets look Palace for instance. A squad expected to be around mid table

 

 

I'm no expert on Palace, admittedly. And yes, the have a couple of good ones. But isn't this a real gap in quality overall? And I don't believe in things like Bruno and Gordon not actually being good players, because that stuff is just short term memory like we had with Isak recently.

 

 

Edited December 5, 2024 by Erikse

[JEToon]

4 minutes ago, Erikse said:

 

But what other squads are we talking? I mean we were pretty near mid table with Bruce. Imo mid table teams are miles away from our squad, so a mid table outcome like 10th would be pretty bad. The problem is just the gap between the heavy hitters and the rest. Can't compare ourselves with them, obviously.

 

 

 

 

It seems a bit redundant asking a question you are answering yourself really.

 

There are squads a lot better than ours, that are obvious, and squads that aren’t, that are obvious, just about every salary table you can find for the league sort of shows where squads are.

 

I would doubt we will finish 10th personally, its December, as I said I expect us to finish about 7th or 8th, which is about what most logical thinking fans would expect from the squad

 

Given we currently sit 2 points of that place in the league it just makes me think a lot of what is being said about this season is just reactionary nonsense, i.e talk of the possibility of the manager being sacked, it is just a lot of online white noise.

[SteV]

4 minutes ago, Astroblack said:

 

I think we can displace Spurs. Levy has made some strange decisions. We did bid 70 mil for Guehi this summer, just got rejected. 

 

 

 

Howe said we didn’t bid anywhere near that tbf.

[Erikse]

6 minutes ago, JEToon said:

 

It seems a bit redundant asking a question you are answering yourself really.

 

There are squads a lot better than ours, that are obvious, and squads that aren’t, that are obvious, just about every salary table you can find for the league sort of shows where squads are.

 

I would doubt we will finish 10th personally, its December, as I said I expect us to finish about 7th or 8th, which is about what most logical thinking fans would expect from the squad

 

Given we currently sit 2 points of that place in the league it just makes me think a lot of what is being said about this season is just reactionary nonsense, i.e talk of the possibility of the manager being sacked, it is just a lot of online white noise.

 

Hmm. What was the argument about, then? Sorry, maybe I didn't read back far enough. I doubt someone would claim that our squad is on par with the "big six"?

Personally I've seen people blaming it on the squad when we're struggling against lower sides, or talking about how competitive the league is, and how every team is good. In that case all you need to do is to compare our squad to the lower opponents we've been struggling against. Before last game someone made the argument that we don't have any players who can hurt the opponent at all. We have a £100m+ striker who just bullied VVD.

 

 

Edited December 5, 2024 by Erikse

[JEToon]

3 minutes ago, Erikse said:

 

Hmm. What was the argument about, then? Sorry, maybe I didn't read back far enough. I doubt someone would claim that our squad is on par with the "big six"?

Personally I've seen people blaming it on the squad when we're struggling against lower sides, or talking about how competitive the league is, and how every team is good. In that case all you need to do is to compare the squad to said opponent. Before last game someone made the argument that we don't have any players who can hurt the opponent at all. We have a £100m+ striker.

 

 

 

 

I don’t really just post to argue, it was a general commentary on where I feel we are relative to our league season, it was a pretty bland, vanillaish point really, shocked you have even replied to it

 

 A lot of rest of your post is a bit strawman argument to me, if you have issues what some other random posts worth replying to them I suppose, you keep up that gate keeping though if that's what you enjoy, more power to you. 

 

 

Edited December 5, 2024 by JEToon

[Erikse]

16 minutes ago, JEToon said:

 

I don’t really just post to argue, it was a general commentary on where I feel we are relative to our league season, it was a pretty bland, vanillaish point really, shocked you have even replied to it

 

 A lot of rest of your post is a bit strawman argument to me, if you have issues what some other random posts worth replying to them I suppose, you keep up that gate keeping though if that's what you enjoy, more power to you. 

 

 

 

 

Okay. I meant discussion. Just wasn't sure what squads you think that people are overlooking the quality of. Guess I should've just asked. I don't think anyone here are overlooking the squads of the top sides.

 

 

Edited December 5, 2024 by Erikse

[The College Dropout]

18 minutes ago, Astroblack said:

 

I think we can displace Spurs. Levy has made some strange decisions. We did bid 70 mil for Guehi this summer, just got rejected. 

 

 

 

For comparisons Spurs revenue is 2.5x ours.   
 

That gives them 2.5x the amount to invest in the squad if their owners wish. 

 

Spurs choose to be profitable or close.  If their position among the elite was under threat they would invest heavily. Which they’ve started to do but have kept wages relatively low for them. 

 

Tbis is for their last CL season and doesn’t include ours. But the revenue gap between the clubs is going to be massive. The gap is massive. 

 

[dave s]

agree with above. we haven’t played anywhere near our best at all.. but alls not lost. a couple of back to back wins and we’d probably be sitting where villa are now, or forest. we’ve had a tough run of home games.  and done ok in the ones you’d usually expect to drop the points. let’s see if we can get into the “lesser” teams and dig some home form out. there’s only really Villa upcoming that you’d class as a potential top 6 team until end of March 

[PauloGeordio]

9 minutes ago, dave s said:

agree with above. we haven’t played anywhere near our best at all.. but alls not lost. a couple of back to back wins and we’d probably be sitting where villa are now, or forest. we’ve had a tough run of home games.  and done ok in the ones you’d usually expect to drop the points. let’s see if we can get into the “lesser” teams and dig some home form out. there’s only really Villa upcoming that you’d class as a potential top 6 team until end of March 

RW in January too 

[Astroblack]

1 hour ago, The College Dropout said:

For comparisons Spurs revenue is 2.5x ours.   
 

That gives them 2.5x the amount to invest in the squad if their owners wish. 

 

Spurs choose to be profitable or close.  If their position among the elite was under threat they would invest heavily. Which they’ve started to do but have kept wages relatively low for them. 

 

Tbis is for their last CL season and doesn’t include ours. But the revenue gap between the clubs is going to be massive. The gap is massive. 

 

 

I get all that but I just have an inkling, they won't spend because of the new stadium costs kind of like Arsenal in 2006. We both now shop in the same markets. They can get a Maddison, we can get a Gordon. We have more ambition and I can see us surpassing them in the upcoming years. 

 

65mil for Solanke

40 Mil for Gray. I just don't think they're smart enough. They had their "golden era" under Poch and Kane, but now they're slipping down the mountain.  

[Bimpy474]

Dunno if it's where i live but the Spurs fans i know, and it's a fair few. Nearly all of them think they have it hard, and not as bad as say us under Ashley, but they think they are very hard done by their owner, and Levy.

 

They're weird.

 

 

Edited December 5, 2024 by Bimpy474

[Astroblack]

11 minutes ago, Bimpy474 said:

Dunno if it's where i live but the Spurs fans i know, and it's a fair few. Nearly all of them think they have it hard, and not as bad as say us under Ashley, but they think they are very hard done by their owner, and Levy.

 

They're weird.

 

 

 

 

I think one of the craziest decisions I've seen in football was sacking Poch after taking Spurs to the UCL final and fourth place after spending no money that year and then hiring Jose Mourinho. He came off as such a fan boy for Mourinho in that documentary, it was weird. You can see that all that "no trophy" banter really gets to him. 

[Matt1892]

Yesterdays performance was great, as was the home performance against Arsenal a month ago, and the home game against Man City just over a month before that.

 

What that demonstrates is that we are raising our performances for the big games, yet the games in between like Palace, West Ham and Fulham we have been terrible and look unmotivated.

 

Hopefully this is us turning the corner, and the December fixtures don’t look too bad with 2 promoted sides at home, but it does feel like we have been in a similar position a number of times this season and failed to build on it.

[Lush Vlad]

Just now, Matt1892 said:

Yesterdays performance was great, as was the home performance against Arsenal a month ago, and the home game against Man City just over a month before that.

 

What that demonstrates is that we are raising our performances for the big games, yet the games in between like Palace, West Ham and Fulham we have been terrible and look unmotivated.

 

Hopefully this is us turning the corner, and the December fixtures don’t look too bad with 2 promoted sides at home, but it does feel like we have been in a similar position a number of times this season and failed to build on it.

A bit reductive that. Does that demonstrate that?! Not really conclusive, IMO.

 

 There is a huge amount of variance/luck involved with football. When goals are scored, the fine margins of shots needing to be 6 inches one way or the other, available players on the day etc. Then of course the fact teams play totally differently to the bigger sides and are happy to stand off and let us have the ball. 
 

I do think we have certain players who seem more up for the big games. I said so the other day and it is human nature in some ways. Certain personalities up their game, even if subconsciously. At any level when you play sport. You can end up finding a few percent from somewhere and to raise your game against better opposition. It’s one of the reasons why you get underdog stories most years in cup competitions. 
 

I think it’s incredibly simplistic to make out like it’s because we try for the big games and we’re apparently not arsed against the so called lesser sides. There is clearly more to it with that regarding tactics and it is nothing new from the last couple of seasons. 
 

I suppose that is a different argument. If Howe can’t find a way to break down teams who let us have possession and defend deep against us. Then it might be one of the things that ends up costing him his job long term. 

[Geogaddi]

The league is so weird this year, the top 4 is likely going to be the 4 teams currently in it but after that is about 7 clubs that could finish anywhere between 5th and 11th. If we had been anywhere near our best this season we would pretty much be nailed on for top 5.