Eddie Howe

[Smal]

we were really good against Liverpool and in the first half of today. Looked an absolute top team in those 3 halves. Gave me a lot of encouragement that Howe is setting the team up to win tactically.

 

Sounds like the players collapsed after the third went in today. The individual errors were absolutely embarrassing. Livramento and Schar for the 4th just revolting defending.

 

 

Edited December 7, 2024 by Smal

[Joe1984]

1 minute ago, HaydnNUFC said:

 

Outside of Botman we have had no major injuries this season, yet we are still as consistently wank away as we were last season but there's also been some rubbish served up at SJP. 

 

We could be even worse than we are now is not an argument for me, like.

 

We have a squad that imo can compete in that 4th-8th range. We look nowhere near that and haven't done for ages.

You forgotten Callum Wilson?

 

Or do you just considered him a permanent absentee? 😄

 

I don't think we're CL material based solely on others strengthening more.

 

I think we are a 6th-8th team st present.

[HaydnNUFC]

Just now, Joe1984 said:

Agreed. But changing the manager doesn't guarantee the players will start performing suddenly.

 

Look at Man U

 

A new manager not impacting results immediately isn't an argument for someone being wrong to want the original manager replaced. We were awful under McClaren and Carver but it didn't meant that we were wrong to want Pardew out. Lopetegui being shit doesn't mean West Ham fans were wrong to want Moyes out. Us with Bruce. Etc.

[Joe1984]

1 minute ago, HaydnNUFC said:

 

A new manager not impacting results immediately isn't an argument for someone being wrong to want the original manager replaced. We were awful under McClaren and Carver but it didn't meant that we were wrong to want Pardew out. Lopetegui being shit doesn't mean West Ham fans were wrong to want Moyes out. Us with Bruce. Etc.

Fair. 😄

[Andy]

1 minute ago, HaydnNUFC said:

 

A new manager not impacting results immediately isn't an argument for someone being wrong to want the original manager replaced. We were awful under McClaren and Carver but it didn't meant that we were wrong to want Pardew out. Lopetegui being shit doesn't mean West Ham fans were wrong to want Moyes out. Us with Bruce. Etc.

 

Completely agree. It even took Eddie a while to start getting results, but we all knew the decision to replace Bruce was correct. 

[Izakaya]

We've been shit since we got knocked out of the Champions League. 

 

Unfortunately the longer we leave it the further our stock falls and with that goes our ability to attract an elite manager. 

 

If PIF are really thinking about it, they need to rip the band aid off asap.

 

[The Butcher]

We'll look good against most of the top sides. That's our game.

 

Nottingham, Brighton, West Ham, Everton, whatever the fuck. We've struggled against these sides and there's absolutely nowt to suggest anything will change on that front.

 

 

 

 

[Smal]

2 minutes ago, HaydnNUFC said:

A new manager not impacting results immediately isn't an argument for someone being wrong to want the original manager replaced.

I’d say it’s a valid argument if there isn’t a notably better manager available. We’re not talking about replacing Pardew, Carver or Bruce here.

[Joe1984]

1 minute ago, Izakaya said:

We've been shit since we got knocked out of the Champions League. 

 

Unfortunately the longer we leave it the further our stock falls and with that goes our ability to attract an elite manager. 

 

If PIF are really thinking about it, they need to rip the band aid off asap.

 

What elite manager do you have in mind?

[Izakaya]

Just now, Joe1984 said:

What elite manager do you have in mind?

 

I don't work for recruitment at Newcastle United Football Club unfortunately. 

[black_n_white]

1 minute ago, The Butcher said:

We'll look good against most of the top sides. That's our game.

 

Nottingham, Brighton, West Ham, Everton, whatever the fuck. We've struggled against these sides and there's absolutely nowt to suggest anything will change on that front.

 

 

 

 

It won’t

[HaydnNUFC]

2 minutes ago, Smal said:

I’d say it’s a valid argument if there isn’t a notably better manager available. We’re not talking about replacing Pardew, Carver or Bruce here.

 

I doubt many would've heard of Arne Slot before Liverpool appointed him, and I find it short sighted a view that absolutely no one can do a better job than Howe is doing at the minute. There are good managers out there.

 

 

Edited December 7, 2024 by HaydnNUFC

[Joe1984]

Just now, Izakaya said:

 

I don't work for recruitment at Newcastle United Football Club unfortunately. 

I know. 

 

I was just wondering what elite managers you think the club might try to get IF they sacked Eddie

[mouldy_uk]

2 minutes ago, Izakaya said:

We've been shit since we got knocked out of the Champions League. 

 

Unfortunately the longer we leave it the further our stock falls and with that goes our ability to attract an elite manager. 

 

If PIF are really thinking about it, they need to rip the band aid off asap.

 

Our shitness also tracks with Trippier going downhill. 

[Ronaldo]

Him being in the dressing room can’t be the best thing for us, surely? 

[Ellis H]

They need to have a proper, realistic plan in place if they’re pulling the plug. Change for the sake of change could set us back a few years and undo most of Howe’s good work. Forwards not sideways.

[Weezertron]

Trippier was great for us, but we can't be pinning our entire clubs success on an aging right back that can't keep his personal life in check. 

[Smal]

I think there is a lack of leadership in the team now for sure. You can see players stopping when they go behind sometimes, or losing their heads. Bruno does not have the mentality for it imo. It can explain us not being up for the games against poorer sides too. Trippier brought professionalism, experience and a cool head that was invaluable. I’m well mad at him for fucking his life up

[jackyboy]

I've always been a fervent supporter of Howe and still am but I really worry about his position here. I  just can't see PIF standing by and watch us going backwards because that wasn't the plan. We were hampered last season due to a massive injury list but that can't be used as an excuse now.

[vic]

There are top managers in this country,the likes of Frank,Iraola,Marco Silva Hurtzler? and Nuno are all fearless in their approach with less resources than we have.

I just hope Eddie can turn it around.

[et tu brute]

Going to be interesting to see what the owners do. He would be gone now at City. Arsenal, Liverpool, Tottenham, Chelsea, Man United and Villa I'm pretty certain.
 

Frank today did a massive number on him and his reactive tactics and substitutions were a total mess, as they have been for most of the seasons. 3 points against the teams mentioned earlier is not only woeful, but it's the actual performances, which are the biggest concern. 

 

The warning signs were there last season and I stated then he was under massive pressure (same people defending him now were mouthing off then also). I didn't want him when he was first being touted and I remember someone highlighting that post after we qualified for the Champions League. I wasn't bothered as all I ever want is the team to win. He is currently showing the reason that I didn't want him here as I thought then he was a not a top level manager.

 

After that second half that was the catalyst for me as if you can't get a team to play at the same level as when they are playing one of the top teams, then you need replaced. I like Howe as a person and would love to see him bring success, but I just count him as the manager of my football team and if the results are not forthcoming, then it's time to bring in another manager.

There are some among the fanbase (imo) who because they like Howe, will not , come what may have a word bad said about him, or judge him on actual results and performances either. They always try and find an excuse or try and come back with results and performances from 18 months ago. That's not what happens in football nowadays (unless your MIke Ashley).
 

I also said earlier it's a big couple of months for the owners. Let's see what direction they are actually taking the club (I'm off the opinion big things are going to be announced soon) and I will accept their decision as I said last week on Howe. I personally can't see them not wanting to upgrade though, based on what is happening AND the fact that their sporting director and him are certainly not on the same page. Time will tell

 

 

Edited December 7, 2024 by et tu brute

[Kid Icarus]

One of the problems Howe has at the moment is that he doesn't have the kudos to make people look elsewhere when things go downhill.

 

Guardiola and Emery have that advantage now, Rafa had it with us, Mourinho more or less promotes it, Ancelotti had it at Everton, Klopp had it in 22/23. They have the CVs to ward off fingers being widely pointed at them and the reasonable assumption is that the problems lie elsewhere - be it PSR, injuries, scouting and recruitment etc.

 

Howe is imo in a position where although there are reasonable criticisms to aim at him, he's nowhere near the main reason for our faltering position.

 

Any of the above in the same situation gets the benefit of any doubt and a grace period, rightly so. Howe doesn't get that benefit to the same extent because although he has a very impressive CV, his achievements are so far much less tangible in terms of the bottom line - trophies. However, that doesn't mean that like with some of the examples above there isn't an incredible manager in bad circumstances, who'll show how incredible they are when the circumstances improve and can't be blamed. 

 

 

Edited December 7, 2024 by Kid Icarus

[Ronaldo]

3 minutes ago, Kid Icarus said:

One of the problems Howe has at the moment is that he doesn't have the kudos to make people look elsewhere when things go downhill.

 

Guardiola and Emery have that advantage now, Rafa had it with us, Mourinho more or less promotes it, Ancelotti had it at Everton, Klopp had it in 22/23. They have the CVs to ward off fingers being widely pointed at them and the reasonable assumption is that the problems lie elsewhere - be it PSR, injuries, scouting and recruitment etc.

 

Howe is imo in a position where although there are reasonable criticisms to aim at him, he's nowhere near the main reason for our faltering position.

 

Any of the above in the same situation gets the benefit of any doubt and a grace period, rightly so. Howe doesn't get that benefit to the same extent because although he has a very impressive CV, his achievements are so far much less tangible in terms of the bottom line - trophies. However, that doesn't mean that like with some of the examples above there isn't an incredible manager in bad circumstances, who'll show how incredible they are when the circumstances improve and can't be blamed. 

 

 

 

What is the main reason? I’m genuinely interested in what you think the problem is.

[Danh1]

15 minutes ago, Ellis H said:

They need to have a proper, realistic plan in place if they’re pulling the plug. Change for the sake of change could set us back a few years and undo most of Howe’s good work. Forwards not sideways.

Do agree with this. 
 

Would like to think, that like Brighton we have always had a plan in place in the event of losing our manager. 

[wormy]

I would be interested to see who people expect us to attract to replace him. People talking about going for 'the best' are forgetting that they're going to want a much bigger transfer budget than we can offer them. I feel like a broken record on this point but anyone talking about Mourinho are mad when you consider how he would react when he realises he can't immediately ship out half of the squad.

 

I don't think there's many clubs in our position that wouldn't regress while we're unable to truly strengthen the first team for three straight transfer windows, whoever the manager may be.

 

That's not to say he's above criticism at all. I'm concerned at how incapable we are at playing any other way than counter attacking. As we get better players teams are going to counter that themselves and we need to find a way to break them down. And I'm in the same boat with Tonali as I was with Hall; he just needs to start.

 

I think we're finally getting there with the set pieces in that the likes of Hall and Sandro when he's on are finally taking on more of those duties but we now need to work out how the hell to get the players attacking the better balls that are going in. The second time we played that corner routine with Hall whipping the ball in to the 6 yard area there wasn't a single damn player going for it which was criminal.