Eddie Howe - Granted Freedom of Newcastle

[Erikse]

1 hour ago, JEToon said:

 

always prefer posts that actually say things with their chest and go all in with what they say rather than shite bag away from what they are saying like. 

 

The answer is often somewhere in between. Do you prefer that people have black and white/polarized opinions when those are rarely accurate? You can be critical without being anti, but ofcourse it would be easier for you to argue against someones opinion if it's too exaggerated. So I can see why you would prefer that.

 

 

Edited December 19, 2024 by Erikse

[JEToon]

1 minute ago, Erikse said:

 

The answer is often somewhere in between. You're basically calling for people to have black and white polarized opinions when those are rarely accurate? You can be critical without being anti, but ofcourse it would be easier for you to argue against someones opinion if it's too exaggerated. So I can see why you would prefer that.

 

 

 

 

Dad? 

[Groundhog63]

3 hours ago, alexf said:

Would love to know who all the anti-eddie brigade would like to replace him with. 

 

I swear down, there's a chunk of these lot think they could do a better job  themselves 😂

Few years on Champ Manager and it's a piece of piss 😜

 

 

[KaKa]

5 minutes ago, Kanj said:

I still maintain you protect Howe at all costs, and you do so with Bunce working with the medical team to keep the players on the pitch. You spend all the time in the world convincing him that a younger abroad signing will work under the financial constraints, that he can develop them, and that the club won’t be banging on his door expecting he makes top 4 if they can’t sign a super top quality player. You also work with him to get one or two top players a year if possible. But at end of day you keep backing him and giving him every tool possible without putting an unnecessary and stupid target for him to hit. The end of day is for all the flak he may get for a signing someone on NO may not love, the work he’s done with Tino, Hall, Gordon, Bruno, Burn, Isak etc etc. is just elite level coaching. 

 

The only thing that can spoil everything is disagreements off the pitch, with the new guys that came in.

 

The latest noises seem very promising. And if that proves to remain the case, then the better and more balanced recruitment will propel us forward significantly and we are going to be a big problem for everyone else.

[Erikse]

Re depth. This is from last weekend. How does our bench compare to Tottenham and Villa? Just a small note, Porro is there, but I believe he was rested for Djed Spence.

 

Newcastle

 

 

Villa

 

 

Tottenham

 

[Cronky]

When we were taken over by PIF, there was this idea floating in the media that we were going to buy success through a massive spending spree, in the manner of Blackburn in the 1990s, Chelsea under Abramovich, and Man City under Sheikh Mansour. This idea has died hard. Despite the restrictions on our spending, it has been supposed that the expectations of the owners would be similar to those three other clubs, and that Eddie would be dismissed in the event of any failure to achieve on that scale, as was the case with Mark Hughes at City and Claudio Ranieri at Chelsea.

 

Well there are two realities in the face of those suppositions. Firstly, PIF were going to be compliant with the current spending rules, which do make that kind of quick dash for success impossible. Secondly, Eddie Howe has proved to be a manager of the top drawer, and the growth that he has brought to the club, within those restrictions, is fully appreciated by the PIF. I don't think they have any intention of replacing him with a better manager, mainly because there isn't one.

[SUPERTOON]

30 minutes ago, alexf said:

If Eddie had the squads of Spurs, Man U, he would have them in the top 4 right now. Genuinely believe that.

Id even say Villa although Emery has been equally as impressive as Howe was for us, but again I think he had a stronger squad to build from. 

 

So when the comments on here that wages etc don't matter, and that we should be guaranteeing European football this season, I can't agree. 

Yes, you can make an argument that our strongest starting 11 can match all of those teams and in some positions we have the better players. But go and take a look at their squad depth in comparison to us, remembering that Howe has proven time and again he can get out of form players to perform above their level. 

He makes the odd mistake and can be stubborn at times, but I believe the main thing holding us back from progressing is PSR and squad depth, not the manager. 

Not sure spurs and certainly Villa fans would agree about their squads being stronger than ours.

[AyeDubbleYoo]

28 minutes ago, KaKa said:

 

The only thing that can spoil everything is disagreements off the pitch, with the new guys that came in.

 

The latest noises seem very promising. And if that proves to remain the case, then the better and more balanced recruitment will propel us forward significantly and we are going to be a big problem for everyone else.

I always believed that last summer was all about chaotic timing and not anything fundamental about the people involved. Especially the assumption that Howe was some kind of control freak dinosaur - just silly. 
 

I still hope we don’t entirely become a Brighton-style production line with endless replaceable players. That’s soulless and I imagine quite limited in how high you can achieve.
 

We need to combine the Howe character and the odd iconic player like Bruno/Isak/Tonali with the more developed technical operation to really get the max return for the club. IMO. 

 

 

Edited December 19, 2024 by AyeDubbleYoo

[Rod]

5 hours ago, Gawalls said:

Don’t talk to people like that - what are you 12?

Just turned 68 ya knacker!

[Fak]

1 minute ago, Rod said:

Just turned 68 ya knacker!

Did you do anything nice for it?

[Rod]

6 minutes ago, Fak said:

Did you do anything nice for it?

The wife and I spent a week in Lanzarote.  Cheers.

[Cf]

So for those saying Howe should be sacked if we finish below 8th, presumably the same would be said for Emery at this point.

 

So assuming the "big 6" take the 6 spots you're saying either one of Howe or Emery should be sacked at the end of the season? Sounds a bit ridiculous to me.

[Rod]

1 minute ago, Cf said:

So for those saying Howe should be sacked if we finish below 8th, presumably the same would be said for Emery at this point.

 

So assuming the "big 6" take the 6 spots you're saying either one of Howe or Emery should be sacked at the end of the season? Sounds a bit ridiculous to me.

It is ridiculous.

[HaydnNUFC]

8 minutes ago, Cf said:

So for those saying Howe should be sacked if we finish below 8th, presumably the same would be said for Emery at this point.

 

So assuming the "big 6" take the 6 spots you're saying either one of Howe or Emery should be sacked at the end of the season? Sounds a bit ridiculous to me.

 

TBF Emery has the CL to contend with this season, we don't.

[Erikse]

This seasons Villa is pretty similar to our last season in terms of expectations imo. We had tougher opponents in Europe, but they have more games. If Villa fail to qualify for Europe, their next season will be like this season for us, atleast in terms of expectations and talk of Emerys job. Finally, he has actually qualified for Europe with them twice, so that also makes up a small difference.

 

 

Edited December 19, 2024 by Erikse

[Cf]

1 minute ago, HaydnNUFC said:

 

TBF Emery has the CL to contend with this season, we don't.

 

Sure, but that's not the point i'm making.

 

If we've got 6 teams who "should" finish in the top 6 then that leaves little for everyone else. We're not the only team in the PL with ambitions. Multiple clubs can do a good job, but they can't all take 7th.

 

I'm not saying Howe and the hierarchy are above criticism but I find blanket statements like "7th or sacked" incredibly simplistic and a road to ruin.

[AyeDubbleYoo]

Deciding on a manager based on a league position here and there is idiotic anyway TBH. It should always be about overall performance, future possibilities, fit with the strategy etc. 

 

Last year we basically only missed out on Europe due to bad luck, even with an injury crisis I've never seen before and incredibly difficult fixtures.

 

When Howe shows that he has given up, can't solve problems, can't motivate players etc... that's when we should be thinking about sacking him.  

 

 

Edited December 19, 2024 by AyeDubbleYoo

[Paully]

Crazy to think we were that daft Trips mistake away at Chelsea late on to being in three successive league cup semi finals (and it would have been two finals as we'd have tanked Boro over two legs!)! Our record before Eddie was tragic in this competition!

 

 

Edited December 19, 2024 by Paully

[TRon]

25 minutes ago, Erikse said:

This seasons Villa is pretty similar to our last season in terms of expectations imo. We had tougher opponents in Europe, but they have more games. If Villa fail to qualify for Europe, their next season will be like this season for us, atleast in terms of expectations and talk of Emerys job. Finally, he has actually qualified for Europe with them twice, so that also makes up a small difference.

 

 

 

 

I agree, Emery's position is more like ours last season when we were playing CL, except they have qualified for the next stage whereas we went out. I am quite surprised to hear he is under pressure after a couple of poor results in the league. He's been brilliant for them, you would only really expect doubts to surface if they had a poor season. Don't see how you can judge that when they are still in the CL.

[Matt1892]

3 hours ago, Interpolic said:

 

Aye I've noticed

 

We can't look at these 6 clubs who have been given every possible advantage with the new rules, are on a different planet to us financially, and say we MUST finish above at least one of them or it's curtains and the manager has to go. That's madness. 

 

Obviously the plan is to build our finances so we can compete consistently on more of a level playing field, but whether that's possible at quicker than a snail's pace is the great unknown. People giving Howe these daft targets most probably don't like Howe and want him sacked for whatever reason. 

Even if you take the sky six out and say that we can’t compete with them due to finance, which doesn’t take in to account that they have bad seasons…

 

We have a higher revenue than Villa as of the last set of accounts, the 7th highest in the league, so why is 7th an overachievement?

 

Not even taking in to account all of the extra games Villa have in Europe this year.

[Matt1892]

1 hour ago, AyeDubbleYoo said:

Deciding on a manager based on a league position here and there is idiotic anyway TBH. It should always be about overall performance, future possibilities, fit with the strategy etc. 

 

Last year we basically only missed out on Europe due to bad luck, even with an injury crisis I've never seen before and incredibly difficult fixtures.

 

When Howe shows that he has given up, can't solve problems, can't motivate players etc... that's when we should be thinking about sacking him.  

 

 

 

If we finish lower than 7th then it is showing a trend of going backwards season on season. 

[Scoot]

5 minutes ago, Matt1892 said:

If we finish lower than 7th then it is showing a trend of going backwards season on season. 

 

Which is exactly what PSR was designed to do...

[Cf]

1 hour ago, Matt1892 said:

Even if you take the sky six out and say that we can’t compete with them due to finance, which doesn’t take in to account that they have bad seasons…

 

We have a higher revenue than Villa as of the last set of accounts, the 7th highest in the league, so why is 7th an overachievement?

 

Not even taking in to account all of the extra games Villa have in Europe this year.

 

So if we take those 6 out you expect us to win the league or fire our manager?

[TheBrownBottle]

It was the performances this season that were as concerning as the results.  Hopefully a corner has been turned, but focussing on league position is a little myopic.  We have been playing below our ‘level’ for the majority of the season; less than the sum of our parts.  That is why Howe’s position has come under pressure.   Again, as I’ve said on here, I think he deserves the time to turn it around, but I can’t pretend that the games I’ve seen this season were all good.  

[AyeDubbleYoo]

2 hours ago, Matt1892 said:

If we finish lower than 7th then it is showing a trend of going backwards season on season. 

Depends on how it happens IMO.