Eddie Howe

[STM]

1 minute ago, Holmesy said:

Truly great managers learn from them and tend not to repeat them.

 

Great managers just don't arrive from the womb though. Unless you are Boss Baby of course.

 

Managers grow and develop. Again, Klopp didn't just turn up at Liverpool without making mistakes prior. He was at Dortmund, where he did and unreal job... but I'm sure if I asked a Dortmund fan, there'd be a left back he played for too long or a signing that didn't work etc and before that I'm sure there are even more.

 

Eddie Howe isn't a 60 year old finished product. He's a glorious half baked Red Velvet cake. Give him SOME room for error.

[Hanshithispantz]

12 minutes ago, Holmesy said:

A shit load better than Dan Burn. 
But I’ don’t think their managers would play them in a game where they would be up against Usain Bolt. 

The idea probably wasn't to have him isolated against Ogbene though, Luton did well taking the game to us, you have to give them credit.

 

Again, people have been waiting for a game where this happened, Burn has been sound in our system for donkeys, he's not suddenly a liability after a shite week. Same as Trippier wasn't.

 

 

Edited February 3 by Hanshithispantz

[MrRaspberryJam]

14 minutes ago, Holmesy said:

How am I moving the goalposts you knob? ?

Nathan Ake plays like a fullback, John Stones is one of the best ball playing CBs in the PL, and highly mobile, and Ben White is basically John Stones mk2. If you think Dan Burn belongs in that category you need to put the bottle down pal. 

thanks for confirming top managers do play centre backs at full back. 

When did I say that?

 

 

[STM]

If someone put a button in front of me and said I could end the season right now, I'd press it in a heartbeat.

 

Every time we seem to be coming out of the clouds and injury occurs and knocks us back 3 paces. How do Isak and Gordon get injured, immediately when Barnes and Wilson return? It's a joke.

[jack j]

3 minutes ago, STM said:

If someone put a button in front of me and said I could end the season right now, I'd press it in a heartbeat.

 

Every time we seem to be coming out of the clouds and injury occurs and knocks us back 3 paces. How do Isak and Gordon get injured, immediately when Barnes and Wilson return? It's a joke.

Felt that way since about October

Which is brutal really because it should have been such an enjoyable season

(Still had some great moments which I'm grateful for like)

[M1tche]

1 minute ago, Hanshithispantz said:

The idea probably wasn't to have him isolated against Ogbene though, Luton did well taking the game to us, you have to give them credit.

 

Again, people have been waiting for a game where this happened, Burn has been sound in our system for donkeys, he's not suddenly a liability after a shite week. Same as Trippier wasn't.

 

 

 

I'm sorry, but that problem has been there for ages. The amount of time wingers get in behind him is unreal, and he does that pull of the shoulder all the time when trying to catch up.

[Holmesy]

8 minutes ago, MrRaspberryJam said:

thanks for confirming top managers do play centre backs at full back. 

When did I say that?

 

 

Read the original post you commented on again, genius. I didn’t even mention that Dan Burn is a CB. The focus of the post was on his size and chronic lack of mobility. 
Easy mistake to make when you’re a bit simple, and there’s no judgement from me big guy. Might be worth reading things a couple of times in future before you reply though  ?

 

 

Edited February 3 by Holmesy

[Hanshithispantz]

5 minutes ago, STM said:

If someone put a button in front of me and said I could end the season right now, I'd press it in a heartbeat.

 

Every time we seem to be coming out of the clouds and injury occurs and knocks us back 3 paces. How do Isak and Gordon get injured, immediately when Barnes and Wilson return? It's a joke.

The basic science behind it is that when Howe plays Dan Burn, a child's wish is taken away from them.

[Dr.Spaceman]

20 minutes ago, Andy said:

 

In fairness, City and Arsenal have the luxury of having top class players in almost every other position to make up for that. The players they had at fullback are also faster than Burn.

 

Burn has been badly exposed because of the lack of protection from midfield this season; last season he had Willock and Joelinton doubling up to help him. Miley (understandably) and Longstaff don't do it as effectively, so if Gordon isn't back helping out he's in trouble. 

 

We have a fullback sat on the bench who so far has shown he doesn't need the same level of protection. Ogbene was anonymous when Tino came on today. 

 

It's absolutely baffling isn't it 

[alexf]

Clear from his post match that he was worried about their aerial threat. 

But considering we conceded a goal anyway from a simple set piece and Burn was getting roasted from minute one. I think you need to react much quicker. 

 

He did the same against Villa. We had a couple of warnings before their goal but he didnt change it. The thing is if Tuno coming on always seems to reduce the problems and make us look more solid then why isn't that the default setting rather than the reaction?

 

Have to say Botman looks to have really struggled since coming back. He never seems to get near the opposition now. Think he's been an extra yard off it just like Burn since injuries. 

[Hanshithispantz]

5 minutes ago, M1tche said:

I'm sorry, but that problem has been there for ages. The amount of time wingers get in behind him is unreal, and he does that pull of the shoulder all the time when trying to catch up.

So like any other defender does?

 

Are you genuinely trying to argue that Burn been beaten on the counter by rapid wingers is a notable flaw in our gameplan over the past 2 year? 

 

This week is genuinely the first time I can remember it being legitimately exposed. There should be loads of examples though?

 

 

Edited February 3 by Hanshithispantz

[KaKa]

29 minutes ago, Novocastrian said:

He needs to eradicate this blind spot he has very quickly. Elite managers don’t continually make mistakes like that.

 

As mentioned in one of my other posts, both Mourinho and Conte were keeping Bissouma out of the match day squad throughout their tenures, in teams that had no control over matches, and were playing Skipp and Hojberg ahead of him.

 

Completely exposed this season by an understated Aussie manager with a fraction of their experience at the top level.

 

 

[Displayname]

1 minute ago, Hanshithispantz said:

So like any other defender does?

 

Are you genuinely trying to argue that Burn been beaten on the counter by rapid wingers is a notable flaw in our gameplan over the past 2 year? 

 

This week is genuinely the first time I can remember it being legitimately exposed. There should be loads of examples though?

 

 

 

Are you serious?

[Hanshithispantz]

1 minute ago, Hanshithispantz said:

So like any other defender does?

 

Are you genuinely trying to argue that Burn been beaten on the counter by rapid wingers is a notable flaw in our gameplan over the past 2 year? 

 

This week is genuinely the first time I can remember it being legitimately exposed. There should be loads of examples though?

 

 

 

Ah the answer to that is "well usually he has Joelinton helping out", as if it's Howe's tactical approach or something...

[Ginola14]

not giving up on this season yet with the  fa cup still to play for 

 

the league doesn't really matter that much to me anymore - not getting European football may be a blessing 

 

that said it would still be incredibly annoying to finish behind that poxy Man U team again  

[MrRaspberryJam]

7 minutes ago, Holmesy said:

Read the original post you commented on again, genius. I didn’t even mention that Dan Burn is a CB. The focus of the post was on his size and chronic lack of mobility. 
Easy mistake to make when you’re a bit simple, and there’s no judgement from me big guy. Might be worth reading things a couple of times in future before you reply though  ?

 

 

 

“Literally every top team and every elite manager uses two pacey, mobile, creative fullbacks.”

Arteta plays White, a CB at full back. 
Ake, Gvardiol and also Stones are CBs by trade who get played at full back. 
 

you said every top manager plays with creative fast fullbacks. A few posts later you then admitted Arteta plays white at full back. 
 

I’ve not once mentioned Dan burn 

[M1tche]

1 minute ago, Hanshithispantz said:

So like any other defender does?

 

Are you genuinely trying to argue that Burn been beaten on the counter by rapid wingers is a notable flaw in our gameplan over the past 2 year? 

 

This week is genuinely the first time I can remember it being legitimately exposed. There should be loads of examples though?

 

 

 

Rapid wingers, slow wingers it's doesn't matter. If you can't remember go a look at the goals we have conceded this season and see how many are from the side. Either from not even getting close to stop a cross or getting roasted. Even at Fulham they got in behind numerous times, they were just too crap to do anything about it. Villa game when Bailey came on it looked like they'd get right back into until Tino came on, Walker having about 3 days to cross for Man.c's 1st, Salah for at least 1 of the goals. That's just the recent stuff. 

 

Burn was solid last season, and was at times this season, but there's not a single reason he should be starting over Livramento 

[Holmesy]

4 minutes ago, MrRaspberryJam said:

“Literally every top team and every elite manager uses two pacey, mobile, creative fullbacks.”

Arteta plays White, a CB at full back. 
Ake, Gvardiol and also Stones are CBs by trade who get played at full back. 
 

you said every top manager plays with creative fast fullbacks. A few posts later you then admitted Arteta plays white at full back. 
 

I’ve not once mentioned Dan burn 

White is a pacey, mobile, creative fullback when he plays at fullback.

 

Ake is a pacey, mobile, creative fullback when he plays at fullback.

 

John Stones is a pacey, mobile, creative fullback when he plays at fullback.

 

There's a reason their managers are able to play them at fullback. Shall I give you a clue? It’s because they are pacey, mobile and creative. Plus, they offer defensive solidity at the same time. It’s about the player playing in the position, not what he’s positionally labelled as on Football Manager.

[Hanshithispantz]

9 minutes ago, M1tche said:

Rapid wingers, slow wingers it's doesn't matter. If you can't remember go a look at the goals we have conceded this season and see how many are from the side. Either from not even getting close to stop a cross or getting roasted. Even at Fulham they got in behind numerous times, they were just too crap to do anything about it. Villa game when Bailey came on it looked like they'd get right back into until Tino came on, Walker having about 3 days to cross for Man.c's 1st, Salah for at least 1 of the goals. That's just the recent stuff. 

 

Burn was solid last season, and was at times this season, but there's not a single reason he should be starting over Livramento 

I'm not going to go into a full on rundown of every goal concede, but this is during a time when Trippier has looked like utter shite, we've been physically fucked, and poor defensively for about 3 month. 

 

My point is that people have been worrying about Burn being roasted by pace for about 18 month, but we've rarely let it happen. Now that he has (and I said at halftime he needed to come off), it's being made out like this is happening every week (not by you fwiw).

 

 

Edited February 3 by Hanshithispantz

[Hudson]

1 hour ago, Holmesy said:

That scene in Moneyball where the manager keeps playing a player that doesn’t fit into the system they’re trying to build so Brad Pitt sells him, reminds me of us right now.
We basically need the board to release Dan Burn on a free so Eddie can get over his damaging obsession, and is forced to pick someone who deserves a first team spot. I think it’s the only way

 

Fucking mental take, wanting to release him from his contract to stop the Manager playing. 
 

[Ginola14]

amazing how we'd barely conceded at home all season before Chris Wood tortured us 

[Hanshithispantz]

Chris Wood turning into a young Dimitar Birbatov was surreal like, I stayed away from the forum that day but I imagine it was a laugh like.

 

 

Edited February 3 by Hanshithispantz

[Holmesy]

1 minute ago, Hudson said:

 

Fucking mental take, wanting to release him from his contract to stop the Manager playing. 
 

Chill out dude, I thought it would be obvious it was tongue in cheek. 

[huss9]

40 minutes ago, duo said:

tbf Burn has been a liability for a while - even against Villa he had to bring on Tino to help cover for him.  I don't understand why Eddie doesn't tell Burn to stop flying forward - he adds nothing to the attack and it keeps resulting in us being hit on the break.

really boils my piss. 

[80]

In all fairness, we'd see what it contributes to our attack if Burn stopped doing it. Despite all his massive limitations, we have scored many goals as a result of him pulling defenders out of position on the wing.

 

The issue is if/the obvious fact that Livramento could do it better.