Gallowgate Toon Posted February 17 Share Posted February 17 5 minutes ago, Ronaldo said: It’s a bit of an overreaction granted but you can barely keep yours dry when anyone is critical of Howe on here. Surely you understand that people are going to be frustrated seeing the same glaring issues game after game to the extent we’re only 2 points ahead of Wolves? Tbf, you wet yourself in 21/22 and 22/23, like. Convinced we were down on the former, wrote off top 4 last year by February. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe1984 Posted February 17 Share Posted February 17 Just now, Kanji said: What do people really expect? We’ve been without half a team all season. I’m annoyed about the left back issue but otherwise I have no real other things to say about the matter. We’re still 7th with half a squad and still in the FA cup. No one wants your common sense! Mass hysteria and overreacting only please. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Prophet Posted February 17 Share Posted February 17 (edited) Take Ederson and Rodri out the City team and they'll ship more goals and be easier to get at. Edited February 17 by The Prophet Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBrownBottle Posted February 17 Share Posted February 17 1 minute ago, Joe1984 said: No one wants your common sense! Mass hysteria and overreacting only please. Tbf I do think some of the recent performances have looked severely disjointed and it’s got sod all to do with injuries or fatigue. We haven’t looked particularly well organised of late - yes, we’re missing key personnel who could get us more points but I’m talking about the basics of professional football Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid Icarus Posted February 17 Share Posted February 17 16 minutes ago, Marquee Moon said: I think Tino should be starting, but it’s foolish to think that 1 change is gonna fix all that much. Our midfield has been decimated all season, been playing our sub goalie for months, 2 senior strikers rotating injuries all year and never able to get fully fit. Pretty much every manager in the world would be struggling in this situation, Klopp certainly did last year. It's brought up all the time, but when Rodri is injured Man City don't win. For some it's a tactical limitation with Howe that we struggle with half the squad out though. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanshithispantz Posted February 17 Share Posted February 17 2 minutes ago, Ronaldo said: It’s a bit of an overreaction granted but you can barely keep yours dry when anyone is critical of Howe on here. Surely you understand that people are going to be frustrated seeing the same glaring issues game after game to the extent we’re only 2 points ahead of Wolves? Howe has made mistakes (again keeping Burn on against Luton was moronic). It's people consistently ignoring obvious things (like Burn dropping into a 3 and Trippier pushing on) to make the same points every game, and the absurd notion that Howe should be under pressure (not you) when he's doing no worse than over half of the managers in the league. Tino is clearly a better fullback than Dan Burn, Howe would have dropped him months ago if he thought he could play the same role. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Collage Posted February 17 Share Posted February 17 Love Eddie but this Burn thing is just plain weird. He’s not performing, game after game. Meanwhile, we have a very very good young player who’s much more suited to the position, sitting on the bench every week. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nufc123 Posted February 17 Share Posted February 17 5 minutes ago, Gallowgate Toon said: For those calling for 3 at the back, we already play like that in possession anyway. it will be a different system if we push Burn in and let Livra take the wide position. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holmesy Posted February 17 Share Posted February 17 We have a player in the first team who is single handedly costing us goals on a consistent basis and yet there’s no danger of him being dropped. Whichever way you look at it, that is shit management. Going into every game knowing you have to score at least 2 goals to win it because your loyalty to a player who should’ve been dropped weeks ago means we’ll definitely concede at least 1 is fucking ludicrous. It’s beyond comprehension. The idea that what Burn gives us in other areas makes up for his calamities is total bollocks. With him in the team were shipping goals for fun. Where’s the danger in swapping him for someone else? We concede more? Not going to happen! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExiledGeordie Posted February 17 Share Posted February 17 6 minutes ago, Shak said: He'll not be under any real pressure in terms of his job IMO, particularly with Ashworth jumping. All things considered, he's done a fantastic job and is a young, English manager that has shown some elite traits. I do however think he's putting some stuff on his resume that does give cause for concern about the future, though. The favouritism with Burn is very disappointing, don't think there's really any argument to be made that Burn is a better option than Tino has been this season. Also, I do worry about how quick he'll be to change things up when needed in the future. Pretty clear that teams have found a way to get at us defensively this season and there's been no real signs of any attempt to change things up. Today we started 6 of the 8 players who made up our back five and midfield last season and we're just so easy to get at. Yeah, Joelinton and Pope are big losses but I don't think getting those two back is going to be a magic bullet. Looking forward to the summer, squad desperately needs a freshening up and with Ashworth gone it seems safe to assume that Howe will be the loudest voice in the room when deciding what moves we make in the transfer market. Hopefully we bring in the right players and hit the ground running next season and have the squad to play the way we want to play, I do think most of the issues Eddie has had will be solved with a better squad of players to choose from. Well summed up. If he have (and toys bloody hope so) a solid summer to improve the squad, sort the striker situation out so we have more depth, sort LB situation out, upgrade RW as well as bolstering midfield then he’s got to deliver really and the pressure will be on. Like it’s been said above he’s going to have to adapt and learn how to cope with situations and develop a better plan B. If he doesn’t do that and we struggle next season he’ll eventually be replaced considering where the board and PIF want to go. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe1984 Posted February 17 Share Posted February 17 2 minutes ago, TheBrownBottle said: Tbf I do think some of the recent performances have looked severely disjointed and it’s got sod all to do with injuries or fatigue. We haven’t looked particularly well organised of late - yes, we’re missing key personnel who could get us more points but I’m talking about the basics of professional football No reasonable arguments allowed either! ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid Icarus Posted February 17 Share Posted February 17 2 minutes ago, nufc123 said: it will be a different system if we push Burn in and let Livra take the wide position. It will, it'll mean the player with the most assists in the league is the one who sits back. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mouldy_uk Posted February 17 Share Posted February 17 Just now, Kid Icarus said: It's brought up all the time, but when Rodri is injured Man City don't win. For some it's a tactical limitation with Howe that we struggle with half the squad out though. Exactly this I’d be interested to see how the other big sides perform for a number of months with - Their first choice keeper out - Two established and key midfielders out - Their biggest signing of the summer (and 2nd biggest ever) out pretty much all season - Two first choice strikers made of glass Now you could argue that we have made some of these injuries worse, or have brought players back too early, but you apply that list to most teams and they won’t perform at their peak. With a reasonably fit squad Eddie has delivered, so he deserves our patience. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SUPERTOON Posted February 17 Share Posted February 17 18 minutes ago, Yorkie said: I do think the Burn thing gets blown out of proportion. The manager isn't an imbecile; he'll be aware of the player's weaknesses but feels there are other benefits to playing him. He's a leader and his height gives him a unique strength both when dealing with crosses, as well a carrying a goal threat for us when we've no strikers. There's also the effect his being there has on Trippier's role. As others have said, Livramento coming in won't suddenly stop there from being caverns of space between our midfield and defence; it's not as simple as just playing a quicker LB. It’s about playing someone who never deserved to be dropped and was our best player when played. Also about trying something new instead of the same glaring flaws in each game. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nufc123 Posted February 17 Share Posted February 17 1 minute ago, Kid Icarus said: It will, it'll mean the player with the most assists in the league is the one who sits back. Trippier wont have much freedom against Arsenal anyway. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Prontonise Posted February 17 Share Posted February 17 (edited) I don't understand why he hasn't tried the 3/5 at the back more often tbh, sometimes it's glaring that we need to change system. Edited February 17 by El Prontonise Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kanj Posted February 17 Share Posted February 17 (edited) It’d be a far different discussion if we were nearly fully fit and playing this way, yet still being 7th seems fine with me, in any circumstance. I didn’t spend 27 years of my life following club to lose my shit after finally being relevant and having fun again under this current run with Howe. Edited February 17 by Kanji Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBrownBottle Posted February 17 Share Posted February 17 1 minute ago, SUPERTOON said: It’s about playing someone who never deserved to be dropped and was our best player when played. Also about trying something new instead of the same glaring flaws in each game. I actually didn’t think Livramento looked particularly good in his last few starts Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Collage Posted February 17 Share Posted February 17 We could play an actual DM who drops down if we want to play 3 at the back when in possession. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanshithispantz Posted February 17 Share Posted February 17 1 minute ago, El Prontonise said: I don't understand why he hasn't tried the 3/5 at the back more often tbh, sometimes it's glaring that we need to change system. Our midfield would be even worse. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holmesy Posted February 17 Share Posted February 17 7 minutes ago, Hanshithispantz said: Howe has made mistakes (again keeping Burn on against Luton was moronic). It's people consistently ignoring obvious things (like Burn dropping into a 3 and Trippier pushing on) to make the same points every game, and the absurd notion that Howe should be under pressure (not you) when he's doing no worse than over half of the managers in the league. Tino is clearly a better fullback than Dan Burn, Howe would have dropped him months ago if he thought he could play the same role. Burn dropping into a 3 means nothing though when you’re conceding goals for fun. Defending the player because he slots into a defensive system that doesn’t work, isn’t really defending the player….or the manager Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Prontonise Posted February 17 Share Posted February 17 Just now, Hanshithispantz said: Our midfield would be even worse. Debatable whether it would be. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SiLvOR Posted February 17 Share Posted February 17 I genuinely don't believe there are many managers out there that would fare much better than Eddie right now, in these crazy circumstances. For example, I doubt Arteta would have us getting better results. That being said, there's certainly a frustration bubbling with the inflexibility to try a new formation for example, to cover our lack of midfield options. (Play 5 at the back etc). I'm giving him a pass this season. Yes I get annoyed at certain things, but he's more than earned enough good will. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
UncleBingo Posted February 17 Share Posted February 17 3 minutes ago, Collage said: We could play an actual DM who drops down if we want to play 3 at the back when in possession. Who? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanshithispantz Posted February 17 Share Posted February 17 Just now, El Prontonise said: Debatable whether it would be. We'd just be replacing Miley with Livramento though wouldn't we? As I said earlier, despite our squad being horrific at the minute we're still better than most on recent form, it is possible all of the suggestions people are calling for might actually make us worse. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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