Vinny Green Balls Posted February 24 Share Posted February 24 1 minute ago, Izakaya said: Hope Eddie sees this mate Jesus Christ, man Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orphanage Posted February 24 Share Posted February 24 1 minute ago, huss9 said: honestly, dont even bother. Nice swerve . Try again . Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingxlnc Posted February 24 Share Posted February 24 Klopp most would consider elite and hasn’t played anything other than 4-3-3 in his time at Liverpool Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
huss9 Posted February 24 Share Posted February 24 2 minutes ago, Orphanage said: No i want an answer to the substantive point about Howes seeming inability to do anything other than 4 3 3 you still dont get it? go back and read the original post and comment. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orphanage Posted February 24 Share Posted February 24 Just now, huss9 said: you still dont get it? go back and read the original post and comment. Another swerve . Try again . Try harder this time ... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
huss9 Posted February 24 Share Posted February 24 Just now, Orphanage said: Another swerve . Try again . Try harder this time ... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vinny Green Balls Posted February 24 Share Posted February 24 (edited) 4 minutes ago, Orphanage said: No i want an answer to the substantive point about Howes seeming inability to do anything other than 4 3 3 You missed the entire point of his post then, which is on you. But fair enough if you are whooshing us. We could use some levity Edited February 24 by Vinny Green Balls Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orphanage Posted February 24 Share Posted February 24 Just now, Vinny Green Balls said: You missed the entire point of his post then, which is on you. Nope Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid Icarus Posted February 24 Share Posted February 24 2 minutes ago, kingxlnc said: Klopp most would consider elite and hasn’t played anything other than 4-3-3 in his time at Liverpool Or has a plan B. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt1892 Posted February 24 Share Posted February 24 The issue isn’t playing 4-3-3, as many of the top team play with this formation. The issue with our 4-3-3 is the shape of the midfield, which is set up to go almost man for man against the traditional midfield shape of the other clubs and we are coming off second best, whilst leaving Isak isolated. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BergenMagpie Posted February 24 Share Posted February 24 Funny how the most vocal critics here over the last 3 pages have all joined the board in the last 1-2 years. Must be hard not seeing the club matching their glory hunting schedule Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid Icarus Posted February 24 Share Posted February 24 5 minutes ago, Orphanage said: No i want an answer to the substantive point about Howes seeming inability to do anything other than 4 3 3 This applies to nigh on every manager Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted February 24 Share Posted February 24 Just now, Orphanage said: If the only tool in Eddies armoury is 4 3 3 then we wont be winning anything soon and he will never become an elite manager . Maybe this season hes found his level . Take one idea and beat it to death ... Tbh I feel like Klopp only really has a 433 in his toolbox. Now of his good Liverpool sides play anything else. I look at Klopps limitations as a manager and I see many of the same with Howe. I don’t think Klopp knows how to coach an elite defence. If he has enough elite defensive and midfield players it works brilliantly. But with Howe I don’t know what the ceiling is like. My hope is Howe does enough to be given a chance next season. I’m not convinced he will. The midfield gap has been a problem for as long a I can remember. This midfield 3 is awful and has been for months. He doesn’t seem to have a functioning plan B. We could finish 11th. He’ll not survive that. But I do feel like if he got 35+ games with most of the key personnel fit next season we’ll do very well. Like Klopp - if he can’t do what he really wants to do. It’s bad. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jordan Posted February 24 Share Posted February 24 5 minutes ago, Collage said: I don’t think it’s controversial to think that EH has been great for us, but if we really want to compete with the big boys, we need someone else. I’m not saying this, btw. He’s still a young manager and one desperate to learn and grow. I do think that this summer is crucial. The squad needs to be improved to match the ambitions of our owners. I’m not fully confident it will happen, of course it’s depending on who we get in as DoF. I get this but at the minute he doesn’t seem to be learning. Persisting with Burn when he looks shot to bits, not changing formation despite the midfield not working at all. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanshithispantz Posted February 24 Share Posted February 24 (edited) I mean we switched from a more traditional back 4 with Targett to a more isometric 3-2-3-1 in buildup with Burn for example, but the formation graph says 4-3-3 at the start of the game so Eddie only knows how to play one way... We also went from a side playing dogged off the ball football, relying on a tree upfront to relieve pressure, to a more attacking side the next season, and an even more possession based side this season (before it went tits up)... actually think I'll just take Kaka's advice Edited February 24 by Hanshithispantz Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KaKa Posted February 24 Share Posted February 24 20 minutes ago, SUPERTOON said: Why ? I wouldn’t let other fans opinions affect your enjoyment. He's a top man, and in my opinion a top managerial prospect. I want better for him. The delusion of the fans under this Saudi ownership is going to be toxic going forward. He deserves better. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted February 24 Share Posted February 24 4 minutes ago, kingxlnc said: Klopp most would consider elite and hasn’t played anything other than 4-3-3 in his time at Liverpool He has. But only when Liverpool have been shit and it’s never really worked. At times last season he went 4231. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gallowgate Toon Posted February 24 Share Posted February 24 It's weird how formation is treated as this entity where everyone just sits in their exact zone and never moves. Howe messes with shape loads, from build ups to pressing structures to how the midfield covers space. Going on about 5-4-1 or whatever else we could cobble up with 2 fit senior CMs is simplifying things to an extreme. However, even if it wasn't, just saying switch to 5-4-1 isn't some silver bullet for all of our problems. Might help one or two things but has knock-on effects elsewhere. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Jinx Posted February 24 Share Posted February 24 17 minutes ago, Vinny Green Balls said: You literally called for rotating managers like a 15 year old would. It is a truly idiotic suggestion that you mentioned a few times, and so it is hard to take you seriously, man. You just don’t get the concept. Managers that have the energy to just go again season after season are few and far between. Maybe 3 or 4 in world football. There’s a bunch of very effective managers who can give 2/3 good seasons before fatigue kicks in. Eddie Howe is a spent force currently but does that make him a bad manager? No it doesn’t.. I think he could do with a break though. We sack him, someone else will benefit in a year or so. So what if we had someone else who could come in while Eddie took on a Football Director type role.. while having the time to recharge, upskill and come back with fresh ideas. 2/3 years and that person takes up the role and Eddie steps back in. You have a squad that never gets stale with training and a plan. It’s not a new idea.. Alex Ferguson didn’t do any of the training.. he got good coaches in and the team stayed fresh.. then changed it up every 3/4 seasons. But no current manager will ever have a stranglehold on a club like the way SAF did and Eddie Howe is too loyal to his current team so it’ll only go one way unfortunately. I don’t think the concept is totally unreasonable. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
M1tche Posted February 24 Share Posted February 24 Our midfield has become an issue for 2 reason. Firstly, only 1 of them can consistently receive the ball in any situation, Longstaff isn't good enough to do it and never will be and Miley is just too weak due to age. Secondly, they're incredibly 1 paced, no-one has any type of recovery pace or the pace to drive through the lines and cause a problem. Having Willock back changes that, but he still won't start for a few weeks. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Myleftboot Posted February 24 Share Posted February 24 2 minutes ago, Gallowgate Toon said: It's weird how formation is treated as this entity where everyone just sits in their exact zone and never moves. Howe messes with shape loads, from build ups to pressing structures to how the midfield covers space. Going on about 5-4-1 or whatever else we could cobble up with 2 fit senior CMs is simplifying things to an extreme. However, even if it wasn't, just saying switch to 5-4-1 isn't some silver bullet for all of our problems. Might help one or two things but has knock-on effects elsewhere. The ease in which our midfield 3 is passed through is a concern though. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vinny Green Balls Posted February 24 Share Posted February 24 (edited) 3 minutes ago, Dr Jinx said: You just don’t get the concept. Managers that have the energy to just go again season after season are few and far between. Maybe 3 or 4 in world football. There’s a bunch of very effective managers who can give 2/3 good seasons before fatigue kicks in. Eddie Howe is a spent force currently but does that make him a bad manager? No it doesn’t.. I think he could do with a break though. We sack him, someone else will benefit in a year or so. So what if we had someone else who could come in while Eddie took on a Football Director type role.. while having the time to recharge, upskill and come back with fresh ideas. 2/3 years and that person takes up the role and Eddie steps back in. You have a squad that never gets stale with training and a plan. It’s not a new idea.. Alex Ferguson didn’t do any of the training.. he got good coaches in and the team stayed fresh.. then changed it up every 3/4 seasons. But no current manager will ever have a stranglehold on a club like the way SAF did and Eddie Howe is too loyal to his current team so it’ll only go one way unfortunately. I don’t think the concept is totally unreasonable. Dude, you have zero concept of human psychology. I was just in a co-director situation for a film and it was an utter disaster. And given the egos of most directors, very few would ever even agree to it for obvious reasons. Obviously different that your suggestion of rotation, but good luck on getting anyone to buy into that it’s a complete non starter because you will never get two elite managers agreeing to that. For you to stick with it is just utterly daft. And I assume that you Are better than such a daft suggestion. Edited February 24 by Vinny Green Balls Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted February 24 Share Posted February 24 1 minute ago, M1tche said: Our midfield has become an issue for 2 reason. Firstly, only 1 of them can consistently receive the ball in any situation, Longstaff isn't good enough to do it and never will be and Miley is just too weak due to age. Secondly, they're incredibly 1 paced, no-one has any type of recovery pace or the pace to drive through the lines and cause a problem. Having Willock back changes that, but he still won't start for a few weeks. Even with a fit squad. The flat 3 is susceptible to being played straight through. Huge gap between defence and midfield in mid to low blocks. But with athletes in there we are better able to squeeze opposition and make recovery runs. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mattoon Posted February 24 Share Posted February 24 13 minutes ago, Orphanage said: From The Guardian ... Not that I think Newcastle are terrible but the project has stalled somewhat, or perhaps found its profit-and-sustainability glass ceiling,” begins Dave Watton. “They’ve been hovering around 10th all season, 15 points off Villa in 4th, despite the dramatics they still went out of the Champions League in the group stages and as usual barely made a ripple in the cups. West Ham are supposed to be a crisis club and they’ll probably finish above Newcastle. “My theory is that Guimaraes (who is a really good player) checked out a while ago, and the doors for FFP chicanery as patented in other stadiums backed by petro-state public investment funds are much harder to open in this brave new world where FFP punishments have teeth. “I understand comments like ‘laugh now, before they are our overlords’ but I think people overstate it. With profit and sustainability rules as they are right now, I don’t see an obvious path for a team like Newcastle to be able to compete with the true elite, and I think their best players know it, hence the drop-off. Maybe they’ve already reached their high water mark.” Took the perfect opportunity to stick the boot in and try and trample us down further in the protection of their precious 6. I won't even bother to dissect the piece as it's all a bunch of conjecture, bias and wilful ignorance. This season looks like a write off after unprecedented bad fortune, weird and untimely injuries, unforseen bans and ridiculous and relentless cup ties. We are in a rut, fatigue, half fit players and an unrelenting injury list put paid to any delusions of grandeur we might have had for this season, battling displays from patched up players and literal children eventually have succumbed to defeats and ultimately a complete loss of belief. This is a culmination of what has preceeded it, we shouldn't have any excuses now but how can you take so many punches in a season and not feel it? Mentally we look shot, rabbits in the headlights tonight watching the inevitable unroll in front of them in slow motion and not having the mental fortitude to do anything about it. It's been rough for Eddie but, for me, it's how he bounces back next season with fresh recruits and all his players back at his disposal that should decide his fate not the season that's akin to the 13th day of the Alamo. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wfmk2 Posted February 24 Share Posted February 24 What happened to our shithousery than Howe learned from his visit to A Madrid? We've gone soft and roll over. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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