Eddie Howe

[AyeDubbleYoo]

5 minutes ago, Menace said:

Comparing Howe with Ancelotti and co is fucking insane like Especially when Ancelotti at Everton did barely a fraction of what Howe has done for us so far.

 

I don't want him gone by a long stretch - but there are a few warning signs I'm concerned about

 

 

Injuries or not - we're joint on points with Fulham and Luton over the last 10 games.

 

 

 

But why do you say ‘injuries or not’?

[midds]

I think the biggest legitimate criticism you can throw at Howe has been his inflexibility to change players and/or formation over the last few months. We all know injuries have played a massive part on things and he's had his hands tied in some respects but going with the same players in the same formation game after game after game - even when he's had the chance to swap things just a bit - has lead to us becoming a bit stale, predictable and soft. It would be naive to think other managers don't do their homework on us and come up with a plan and I do think he's fallen into the trap of doing exactly what the opposition expect and they've exploited it to the max.

 

Not changing anything at all despite being cut open by team after team can't be anything other than a legit concern. Again, i accept he's only got so many players available but that's all the more reason to ask different teams different questions in different situations. Trying to implement a consistent structure and method of playing is one thing, doing exactly the same thing every week while you're shipping an average of 3 a game for months on end is ridiculous.    

[AyeDubbleYoo]

Any idea why he would do it? 

[Vinny Green Balls]

28 minutes ago, The College Dropout said:

But both Klopp and Pep proved they were elite coached a long time ago. Howe hasn’t.  
 

I don’t think Howe is as good as either. I would like to see him given a chance to prove me wrong. But this season has the potential to be horrid and cost him his job and he won’t be unlucky if it happens.  
 

 

He has to scrape us to 7th imo.  From what I’ve seen in the last few weeks - I don’t see it.  We need to improve. Perhaps Joe W coming back is a turning point. He doesn’t have the answers with the current midfield options.  

 

 

 

Come on. You’ve had some consistently great posts recently but you

undermine yourself slightly when you go down this path. There is no evidence yet to suggest that they will axe him if we finish mid table this season. You are creating these conditions that he needs to meet this season. The owners (so far) strike me as not particularly reactionary.

[AyeDubbleYoo]

There’s no (realistic) scenario that leads to Howe losing his job before next season - it’s a pointless discussion. 

[The College Dropout]

Yes one manager has won league titles in 4 countries and has won 4 CL titles. The other managed Bournemouth. One is proven at the highest level, the other isn’t. 
 

So while Howe shares many strengths and weaknesses with Klopp - he doesn’t have the reputation or proven record. I’m not sure he can survive a 9th placed finish. If we had Klopp - he would survive an awful season. 

[Vinny Green Balls]

1 minute ago, AyeDubbleYoo said:

There’s no (realistic) scenario that leads to Howe losing his job before next season - it’s a pointless discussion. 

It reflects the impatience of some posters more than the likelier reality.

[Vinny Green Balls]

Just now, The College Dropout said:

Yes one manager has won league titles in 4 countries and has won 4 CL titles. The other managed Bournemouth. One is proven at the highest level, the other isn’t. 
 

So while Howe shares many strengths and weaknesses with Klopp - he doesn’t have the reputation or proven record. I’m not sure he can survive a 9th placed finish. If we had Klopp - he would survive an awful season. 

Where are you getting this though? Honestly Sounds more like your 

expectations than the ownership’s right now. 

[The College Dropout]

2 minutes ago, Vinny Green Balls said:

Come on. You’ve had some consistently great posts recently but you

undermine yourself slightly when you go down this path. There is no evidence yet to suggest that they will axe him if we finish mid table this season. You are creating these conditions that he needs to meet this season. The owners (so far) strike me as not particularly reactionary.

Yes I agree there is no evidence they will sack him for a midtable finish.  There is also no evidence they will keep him with a disappointing midtable finish either. 
 

Im confident there would be a ‘why did things go badly’ conversation. That could go in many directions.  One of which could cost Eddie his job.  That much I think is true.  How likely it is - I have no idea. 

[Vinny Green Balls]

2 minutes ago, The College Dropout said:

Yes I agree there is no evidence they will sack him for a midtable finish.  There is also no evidence they will keep him with a disappointing midtable finish either. 
 

Im confident there would be a ‘why did things go badly’ conversation. That could go in many directions.  One of which could cost Eddie his job.  That much I think is true.  How likely it is - I have no idea. 

They’ve been fairly non reactionary (certainly so in the transfer market) , and even expected this season to be tricker. so I don’t think it’s even odds at all. Likelier that he doesn’t get sacked.

 

 

Edited February 25 by Vinny Green Balls

[The College Dropout]

1 minute ago, Vinny Green Balls said:

Where are you getting this though? Honestly Sounds more like your 

expectations than the ownership’s right now. 

Eales in January publicly stated qualifying for Europe was a realistic aim for the rest of the season (and it still is). Should we fall short - we would have failed the mid season target from the CEO. What happens from there - I do not know. Could blame it all on Dan. I thought it was interesting Eales did that interview and not Dan.  Could blame it on Eddie. Who knows.  

[Vinny Green Balls]

Just now, The College Dropout said:

Eales in January publicly stated qualifying for Europe was a realistic aim for the rest of the season (and it still is). Should we fall short - we would have failed the mid season target from the CEO. What happens from there - I do not know. Could blame it all on Dan. I thought it was interesting Eales did that interview and not Dan.  Could blame it on Eddie. Who knows.  

He said it was realistic but they also discussed last season how hard it can be on thin squads to balance champions league with everything else, which suggests that they have been prepared to experience a blip season

[Sufi]

20 minutes ago, Menace said:

Comparing Howe with Ancelotti and co is fucking insane like Especially when Ancelotti at Everton did barely a fraction of what Howe has done for us so far.

 

I don't want him gone by a long stretch - but there are a few warning signs I'm concerned about

 

 

Injuries or not - we're joint on points with Fulham and Luton over the last 10 games.

 

 

 

I’m not sure what you mean by injuries or not. We have tons of injuries. It impacts our squad. 
 

Home/away splits? Strength of schedule? 
 

wolves are also equal with villa according to this metric with 17 from 10

[The College Dropout]

Just now, Vinny Green Balls said:

He said it was realistic but they also discussed last season how hard it can be on thin squads to balance champions league with everything else, which suggests that they have been prepared to experience a blip season

Yeh a blip to fall from the CL To maybe the Conference League. You don’t spend £60m on a midfielder and £70m on fullbacks to not compete in Europe the following year at all.  
 

He ended with the goal of qualifying for Europe in 23/24. Therefore falling short would be considered a failure. 

[Joe1984]

8 minutes ago, The College Dropout said:

Yes one manager has won league titles in 4 countries and has won 4 CL titles. The other managed Bournemouth. One is proven at the highest level, the other isn’t. 
 

So while Howe shares many strengths and weaknesses with Klopp - he doesn’t have the reputation or proven record. I’m not sure he can survive a 9th placed finish. If we had Klopp - he would survive an awful season. 

So how is Howe supposed to reach this Elite level, if he isn't given the time required to build a squad capable of competing on said level?

[Sufi]

If I couldn’t see the table and just purely judging based on people’s reactions on here… I would assume we are 16th and in danger of relegation. 
 

Calm the fuck down pls 

[TheBrownBottle]

There’s 12 games left of the PL season - I don’t think Howe’s in danger this season personally, but if the bottom-half form of the previous 12 games continues for the rest of the season he’d need a bloody good start next year otherwise then he’ll come under pressure is my guess - from the board, support and media.  Opposition sides have sussed us a bit - hopefully a big overhaul in the summer on the playing side and the tactics side awaits.  

[The College Dropout]

2 minutes ago, Joe1984 said:

So how is Howe supposed to reach this Elite level, if he isn't given the time required to build a squad capable of competing on said level?

Winning trophies, challenging for league titles and competing in the latter stages of the CL. 
 

Same as everyone else. 

[ryanegg]

As many have said, his reluctance for a change of tactic/personnel (although limited on the personnel front) is the greatest concern. It’s seriously annoying, but we need to start next season with him imo unless we finish somewhere daft like 14TH. If that happens it would really show the players have lost confidence in him.

 

Our fixture list from now isn’t that bad at all. If we get our act together we could salvage this season to a certain extent. 

[cubaricho]

It’ll be interesting to see if they give him the squad overhaul this summer or to someone else. 
 

I hope it’s Eddie. I’d love to see us playing front foot ball again with a squad of higher quality than we had before and that he’s the man to make those calls. 

[Joe1984]

1 minute ago, The College Dropout said:

Winning trophies, challenging for league titles and competing in the latter stages of the CL. 
 

Same as everyone else. 

He's come close to some of those things. Would have been in the CL still if not for a screw job. Knocked out of the cup by a Trippier brain fart too.

[r0cafella]

10 minutes ago, TheBrownBottle said:

There’s 12 games left of the PL season - I don’t think Howe’s in danger this season personally, but if the bottom-half form of the previous 12 games continues for the rest of the season he’d need a bloody good start next year otherwise then he’ll come under pressure is my guess - from the board, support and media.  Opposition sides have sussed us a bit - hopefully a big overhaul in the summer on the playing side and the tactics side awaits.  

Next season we have to reset either we continue to back him fully or we get rid in the summer. 
 

Let’s not dither and half back him to get rid in November. I think we need to take a step back, fully back him in the summer and set the targets and let him see our next season. If he doesn’t achieve we make a change next summer. 

[timeEd32]

16 minutes ago, The College Dropout said:

Eales in January publicly stated qualifying for Europe was a realistic aim for the rest of the season (and it still is). Should we fall short - we would have failed the mid season target from the CEO. What happens from there - I do not know. Could blame it all on Dan. I thought it was interesting Eales did that interview and not Dan.  Could blame it on Eddie. Who knows.  

It was an interview in tandem with the release of our financial accounts. Makes perfect sense it was the CEO. 
 

My impression is the only person in the building who may be a bigger fan of Eddie than Eales is Staveley. There’s only one place a change in manager this summer would be coming from. 

[Menace]

Most of the signings that have been bought in, have been bought in cause they play into Howe's system. What is the point of sacking him when all these players have been bought specifically to fit his system?

[TheBrownBottle]

Just now, Menace said:

Most of the signings that have been bought in, have been bought in cause they play into Howe's system. What is the point of sacking him when all these players have been bought specifically to fit his system?

That’s often the danger of one man having too much power re transfers.  And signing players hasn’t been a block on sacking managers at any time in the past at any club.  Results determine whether or not a manager stays on.