Eddie Howe

[TheBrownBottle]

1 hour ago, Vinny Green Balls said:

Or alternatively, everyone is bored and magnifying drama. It’s a bit ridiculous to say that we are sticking our heads in the sand when a reality show has been created out of everything so far this summer.

No, I think there is something it.  Hardly panic time, but Howe doesn’t make unguarded comments.  The media talking like he’s about to leave is melodramatic, but it’s more that they’re making a lot out of something real rather than making shit up

[GeordieDazzler]

Christ the papers haven’t half twisted those Howe comments 

[Ikon]

5 minutes ago, GeordieDazzler said:

Christ the papers haven’t half twisted those Howe comments 

They definitely are twisting it to their agenda. Having said that I think Eddie has given them a chance by the way he said some things. He knew what he was doing. It doesn’t mean that he is unhappy or leaving. 

[Keegans Export]

1 minute ago, Ikon said:

They definitely are twisting it to their agenda. Having said that I think Eddie has given them a chance by the way he said some things. He knew what he was doing. It doesn’t mean that he is unhappy or leaving. 

Absolutely. There isn't much a manager can do to extract leverage other than with on-field performance, which was ultimately a little disappointing last season due to missing out on Europe. The England job coming up gives him a chance to do that and I don't blame him in the slightest for working it to his advantage. 

[The Prophet]

“We haven’t had detailed conversations; we’ve just come together. The boundaries of relationships and how they’re going to work is slightly unclear.”

 

Didn't see that quote originally, but it seems like the key quote.

[r0cafella]

15 minutes ago, GeordieDazzler said:

Christ the papers haven’t half twisted those Howe comments 

They were always going to unless he was unequivocal which it seems he wasn’t. 

[Pablo123]

He's gone. Clearly can't get on with anyone. Sad day for the club. Step forward Michael Carrick

[Gawalls]

32 minutes ago, FloydianMag said:

Tommy Tuchel? 

Poch for me but I think both aren’t as good a fit as Howe for us. Fact is we all know Howe would have done even better but we’re lumbered with a lot of dead wood, unsellable and long contracts we just have to ride out. From then I reckon Howe gets even better as wage bill comes down etc.

[Paulinho]

If you were viewing this scenario play out at a different club, would any of us really be thinking “yeah, no chance he’s leaving” after those comments? 

[The Prophet]

Also on transfers:

 

 “At any football club, it can’t be one man’s decision and I wouldn’t expect that to be the case. Collaboration on every level is vital. There has to be unity around every decision because it is so big now. That collaboration is important to me.”

[Ikon]

9 minutes ago, Paulinho said:

If you were viewing this scenario play out at a different club, would any of us really be thinking “yeah, no chance he’s leaving” after those comments? 

I probably wouldn’t even care or be bothered at all. I also wouldn’t have any sort of knowledge or insight regarding other clubs/managers. 
 

Imho I think the club wants PM to have most control on recruitment and Howe more focused out on the grass, less control regarding transfers. I don’t think Howe ideally wants lesser control, he might feel that he wants more. This doesn’t mean he’s unhappy or that they won’t be working together and manage to do it very well once “details” and boundaries have been ironed out. He used this interview to say a thing or two, not much wrong in that, but he knew what he was doing. I’m sure all will be well. Pure guess take though, he might have/get lesser control than before, question is how much and if he’s ok with that or not, time will tell. Obviously he’s got to have a say regarding players, especially what type of player. I’m sure PM understands this too. 

 

 

Edited July 20 by Ikon

[Sean]

13 minutes ago, The Prophet said:

Also on transfers:

 

 “At any football club, it can’t be one man’s decision and I wouldn’t expect that to be the case. Collaboration on every level is vital. There has to be unity around every decision because it is so big now. That collaboration is important to me.”

Sounds like he might be saying that his input/opinion carrying enough weight is vital. I mean we all know he wants to have a say, more than your typical Head Coach would generally have.

 

 

Edited July 20 by Sean

[JonBez comesock]

The thing is , he might only have a few days / weeks until they offer him the job ?

 

So how can he tell if he’s still enjoying it ? / Happy with the new structure ?

 

FWIW - I think he stays and we win a trophy 
 

 

 

 

Edited July 20 by JonBez comesock

[Maggies]

Our ownership without Howe will be successful.

 

Howe without our ownership structure then we won’t be successful.

 

Hopefully Howe stays but if not then so be it. We’ll move on and still be successful. The model being built by the club is bigger and more important than the manager.

[The Prophet]

25 minutes ago, Paulinho said:

If you were viewing this scenario play out at a different club, would any of us really be thinking “yeah, no chance he’s leaving” after those comments? 

 

I don't think many ate saying that. More that they were largely positive but are somewhat being misrepresented in the media.

[gdm]

53 minutes ago, GeordieDazzler said:

Christ the papers haven’t half twisted those Howe comments 

Isn’t that why he made them? To cause a stir, to make a point, so the people that need to hear them will notice 

[Matt1892]

1 minute ago, gdm said:

Isn’t that why he made them? To cause a stir, to make a point, so the people that need to hear them will notice 

Absolutely. He’s an intelligent guy and would know that his comments would be picked up on.

[Cf]

I think on balance it sounds ok but I have some nerves that weren't there before. 

 

Eales' comments about wanting Eddie to focus on the grass are suggestive of the type of system where the manager has little input beyond training and picking the team, with overall direction, strategy, and players selected a level above. That sort of system might work in allowing some mid table stability player/manager churn but the top teams have long term managers who have input on all that stuff. 

 

I'm not saying Eddie needs total control, and I'm sure it'll all be fine, but as I say it's a slight concern whereas it wasn't before. 

[Abacus]

My guess is that Howe isn't interested in the England job, not yet, but he has to be diplomatic about that. And also use the speculation to his advantage at Newcastle.

 

So, then as for Newcastle. Originally when he joined it was to a shell of a club at exec level and he, along with Staveley, would have been involved in just about everything because - well - they had to be. He might even have enjoyed that, but it was never sustainable and it wasn't intended to be done that way forever. 

 

I'm pretty sure the appointment of a DOF was needed to ease that burden - I think Staveley said as much at the time - as well as always having been intended as part of a more structured set up.

 

Then, rumours of friction with Ashworth which if true would have instead complicated his job in some respects. Similar rumours that Ashworth thought he'd have more control than he did - if true, maybe this was with Staveley, Howe or a combination of those.

 

Roll forward to appointing Mitchell. If there was some sort of power struggle with the previous DOF, it's only natural he'd be cautious. From being in a position right at the start where he'd have been involved in everything through necessity, to one where some roles will be taken out of his hands or have reduced say, it's understandable he'd be cautious about how it would work again this time.

 

Then Bunce - brought in for player recovery etc. Is this an implied criticism of the injury situation last time? Will it mean not being able to play players in situations like with Longstaff when he was choosing to play through an injury? It's one criticism made of Howe last year by some fans at least, whether it was fair or not.

 

If I had to guess, this is where any stuff about boundaries is coming from, especially with Staveley gone too. Each of those appointments makes perfect sense to me. But I can also understand why he might say those things if he'd been a bit burnt by Ashworth.

 

That's all complete speculation, of course. We'll see how it goes, but personally just can't wait till the season starts and everyone can get on with their jobs. If all the pieces fall together, I think it could be his dream job since he looks and sounds happy to be back.

[Nobody]

Really feel like we as a club are still experiencing some PTSD about the amount of control over transfers the manager has from the second Keegan stint. 

Pretty much only in the UK does the manager decide on the transfers, and even that is changing more and more. 

[The Prophet]

Douglas with a very different tone to the rest of the press pack.

[80]

2 hours ago, The Prophet said:

Also on transfers:

 

 “At any football club, it can’t be one man’s decision and I wouldn’t expect that to be the case. Collaboration on every level is vital. There has to be unity around every decision because it is so big now. That collaboration is important to me.”

I think those are pretty mild comments, and fundamentally right. If the club is wanting to move to a model where the 'coach' just turns up in July to find out what he's been given for the next 12 months, I'd be kicking off on his behalf. The Byzantine stuff doesn't interest me.

[Scoot]

2 hours ago, The Prophet said:

Also on transfers:

 

 “At any football club, it can’t be one man’s decision and I wouldn’t expect that to be the case. Collaboration on every level is vital. There has to be unity around every decision because it is so big now. That collaboration is important to me.”

 

Are those quotes from Howe from yesterday??

[Holmesy]

12 hours ago, Danh1 said:

I want Eddie to stay. But if he does go, it isn’t because it’s Keegan v Wise in summer 2008 all over again. 
 

Mitchell should have the final say on transfers (should be working with Eddie of course) and the power should be with him. I think it looks as though the power lines are being more simplified with Amanda and Merhdad leaving and him coming in. 

The manager dictates the style of play, the tempo, the tactics and the gameplan, and you think someone else should have final say on the players he gets to do that with?! WTF?! That’s absolutely mental!

[Holmesy]

Playing devil’s advocate, we can’t be 100% sure the owners want to keep Eddie. 
if they are ruthlessly ambitious and impatient they may view last season as a failure, and the jury is out. If he fought to keep certain players who underperformed, maybe doubts are staring to creep in.

Does Eddie have his own conditioning coach with his inner group?