Eddie Howe

[Interpolic]

2 hours ago, Terrymac1966 said:

Eddie was out-thought  and out-manoeuvered again on Saturday right from kick off Southampton looked organised and were easing past us way before the sending off.

Same happened against Brighton last season.....not everything Eddie does is worthy of the praise he gets on here. Sometimes he is gubbed by a more astute manager.

 

What we do have is grit and determination.

What we don't have is the riches we thought we had.

Same positions lacking as end of June...what a wasted window.

 

Dreadful post. 

 

Yeah we didn't absolutely batter So'ton in the 27 minutes before Schar's red card, and anything after that was a means to an end. 

 

Anyone using Saturday as if there's a credible basis for criticism clearly just wants to do that anyway. We got the result and I'm sure we'd have played some better stuff if not for the red. 

[gbandit]

Just don’t understand why people like to make these grand claims based on fuck all evidence. Stuff like “we’ve been found out” when we have an average game. You don’t need to try and impress people with your takes, just watch the football and if you don’t have an opinion based on some decent evidence then don’t make stupid claims 

[Lush Vlad]

Ipswich were the better side against Liverpool first half. Then they came unstuck and could have lost by a lot more second half. 
 

Arsenal were making uncharacteristic mistakes against Wolves and were lucky not to concede. 
 

City even looked disjointed at times against a wide open, lazy Chelsea side. 
 

Using one game, the opening game of the season, even. To try and over-analyse the team, manager and everything else seems a bit ridiculous. 

[Erikse]

5 hours ago, ExiledGeordie said:

I think a fully fit Tonali can help with this.

 

I didn't think Tonali was that type of player to be honest. Not that I have seen him much. His pass % has never really been that high, he seems to like going for risky passes, and his strength was supposed to be longer passes. Maybe I'm wrong though.

[SUPERTOON]

2 minutes ago, Erikse said:

 

I didn't think Tonali was that type of player to be honest. Not that I have seen him much. His pass % has never really been that high, he seems to like going for risky passes, and his strength was supposed to be longer passes. Maybe I'm wrong though.

He is comfortable on the ball and can take it and keep it under pressure. He will definitely help give us more control. 

[Erikse]

4 minutes ago, SUPERTOON said:

He is comfortable on the ball and can take it and keep it under pressure. He will definitely help give us more control. 

 

Not going to judge a player on specific games, but I still remember that 4-1 PSG game where he had a 55% pass rate. We were up by 2-0 (and 2-1 later), and he gave the ball away on atleast 5 occasions with completely unrealistic throughballs. That was a situation where we could do with a little more composure.

 

 

Edited August 19 by Erikse

[Theregulars]

3 hours ago, Terrymac1966 said:

Eddie was out-thought  and out-manoeuvered again on Saturday right from kick off Southampton looked organised and were easing past us way before the sending off.

Same happened against Brighton last season.....not everything Eddie does is worthy of the praise he gets on here. Sometimes he is gubbed by a more astute manager.

 

What we do have is grit and determination.

What we don't have is the riches we thought we had.

Same positions lacking as end of June...what a wasted window.

Just to be clear, we did win the match 1-0 with a player less, so the consequences of such a comprehensive tactical outthinking were limited in practice. 
 

[Rod]

3 hours ago, Terrymac1966 said:

Eddie was out-thought  and out-manoeuvered again on Saturday right from kick off Southampton looked organised and were easing past us way before the sending off.

Same happened against Brighton last season.....not everything Eddie does is worthy of the praise he gets on here. Sometimes he is gubbed by a more astute manager.

 

What we do have is grit and determination.

What we don't have is the riches we thought we had.

Same positions lacking as end of June...what a wasted window.

You do know we won 1-0?

[magorific]

2 hours ago, mattypnufc said:

Genuinely reckon the tactics were on purpose by the way. 

 

Out thought?  By Russel fucking Martin? Give me a break. 

 

Let them make a mistake.  Press when an opportunity arises.  Etc etc. 

This.

 

Pretty much any team can keep the ball well via a slow build-up. Means f*** all unless they have the quality to deliver a meaningful final ball. Only time they opened us up was when we gave the ball away.

[AyeDubbleYoo]

I reckon Howe probably knew how Southampton would play and decided it was OK to contain them and allow them to aimlessly pass.

 

Just love Eddie Howe man, we won't ever get many managers better than this. It's happened maybe once in my lifetime

 

 

Edited August 19 by AyeDubbleYoo

[Sibierski]

I mean, just conceding possession at home is dumb and not sustainable long term.

Not going to read too much into first game or games. It’s 5+ in where we should be settled down fitness and cohesion wise, and if we’re turning in home performances like Luton / Forest / Southampton of past 8 months, then there’s concerns. 

[Upthemags]

4 minutes ago, Sibierski said:

I mean, just conceding possession at home is dumb and not sustainable long term.

Not going to read too much into first game or games. It’s 5+ in where we should be settled down fitness and cohesion wise, and if we’re turning in home performances like Luton / Forest / Southampton of past 8 months, then there’s concerns. 

Sure soton gave us a little punch in the mouth the first 15 minutes, but once Schar went off, we literally were offering them effectively full possession. We had tremendous possession down a man and pushed for the goal we needed, which we got, and, very predictably, basically sat in the box the rest of the game.

 

If we don't go down a man, we probably get 3 or 4 after Soton's little initial burst of energy wore out.

[Theregulars]

40 minutes ago, Erikse said:

 

Not going to judge a player on specific games, but I still remember that 4-1 PSG game where he had a 55% pass rate. We were up by 2-0 (and 2-1 later), and he gave the ball away on atleast 5 occasions with completely unrealistic throughballs. That was a situation where we could do with a little more composure.

 

 

 

At no point was the match 2-1. 

[Terrymac1966]

2 hours ago, mattypnufc said:

Genuinely reckon the tactics were on purpose by the way. 

 

Out thought?  By Russel fucking Martin? Give me a break. 

 

Let them make a mistake.  Press when an opportunity arises.  Etc etc. 

We are at home we should be killing teams from the get-go. Southampton were the more offensive side prior to the sending off. All they lacked to get the job done was quality...other teams will come and will have it. 

 

[Theregulars]

Just now, Terrymac1966 said:

We are at home we should be killing teams from the get-go. Southampton were the more offensive side prior to the sending off. All they lacked to get the job done was quality...other teams will come and will have it. 

 

Put down the spade pal

[AyeDubbleYoo]

1 minute ago, Terrymac1966 said:

We are at home we should be killing teams from the get-go. Southampton were the more offensive side prior to the sending off. All they lacked to get the job done was quality...other teams will come and will have it. 

 

We won't play like that against everyone for the whole season. 

[madras]

Just now, Terrymac1966 said:

We are at home we should be killing teams from the get-go. Southampton were the more offensive side prior to the sending off. All they lacked to get the job done was quality...other teams will come and will have it. 

 

Not really, they played 3 at the back which got them round the initial press and created an overload in the second phase but then it fizzled as they went forward, hence they created little, and didn't look it when we had 11.

[Erikse]

9 minutes ago, Theregulars said:

At no point was the match 2-1. 

 

Right, we got another goal right before theirs. Point still stands though, in some situations there was no need to give the ball away with a hollywood pass. That's not what you want to do when you are 2 or 3 goals up against a strong side. He will probably look different this time around though.

 

 

Edited August 19 by Erikse

[AyeDubbleYoo]

We will improve with Tonali playing but I'm not sure that loads of possession is really in Howe's game plan. I love keeping the ball and starving the opposition but we might just have to accept that it's not going to be our style.  

[Terrymac1966]

8 minutes ago, AyeDubbleYoo said:

 

We won't play like that against everyone for the whole season. 

Agreed but it needs addressing. Hall needs to spend all week passing yet he looked decent in preseason and didnt give possession up like Saturday.

[Theregulars]

9 minutes ago, Erikse said:

 

Right, we got another goal right before theirs. Point still stands though, in some situations there was no need to give the ball away with a hollywood pass. That's not what you want to do when you are 2 or 3 goals up against a strong side. He will probably look different this time around though.

 

 

 

I personally don't think there's any use judging Tonali on the contribution he made before being banned. He looked great at times, he looked crappy at times. Clear destabilising and mitigating circumstances given what happened to his career and personal life shortly after arrival (aside from not speaking the language and leaving his home city [and I assume friends and family] for a different country). Bruno misplaces passes and loses the ball, Isak misses sitters, Gordon runs into too many players... it's football. You have to try things quickly, you don't have much time, you have to be hyper athletic etc. Players make mistakes.

[Erikse]

16 minutes ago, Theregulars said:

I personally don't think there's any use judging Tonali on the contribution he made before being banned. He looked great at times, he looked crappy at times. Clear destabilising and mitigating circumstances given what happened to his career and personal life shortly after arrival (aside from not speaking the language and leaving his home city [and I assume friends and family] for a different country). Bruno misplaces passes and loses the ball, Isak misses sitters, Gordon runs into too many players... it's football. You have to try things quickly, you don't have much time, you have to be hyper athletic etc. Players make mistakes.

 

I was talking more about what type of player he is by the way, not how good he is. My impression was that he's more of a high risk high reward type of player, or one that tries to be very effective on the ball. Which is different from the type that is really good when you are trying to control a game.

 

 

Edited August 19 by Erikse

[Groundhog63]

 

[madras]

27 minutes ago, AyeDubbleYoo said:

We will improve with Tonali playing but I'm not sure that loads of possession is really in Howe's game plan. I love keeping the ball and starving the opposition but we might just have to accept that it's not going to be our style.  

I'm sure in the close season of 23/24 Howe said his plan was to develop and become more possession based. The injuries put paid to that last season but with Tonali coming on and hopefully a more 'normal'season injury wise we'll see if a) that is the plan and b) He's capable of carrying it out.

[Erikse]

On what basis do we actually think that one of Tonalis biggest strengths is in keeping possession? Where did that come from? Not only from what we saw last season, but also most of the analysis of him from Milan, points to a player that fits the high intensity pressing and counter attack game that Howe has done so well with. One that likes to move the ball quickly or look for the killer pass, where the upside of it makes up for losing the ball a little more often than others.

 

Ofcourse, 1 year of coaching can change that. Maybe he has just not really been used in a role that would have him try to keep possession to a bigger degree, and he can actually play that role aswell. Who knows.

 

 

Edited August 19 by Erikse