JEToon Posted November 26 Share Posted November 26 1 hour ago, TheBrownBottle said: Probably going to have to get your head around the fact that we’re not signing players with a view to them being here in ten years’ time. I don’t see any reason why every single player we sign is going to be signed with a view to them being sold. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Erikse Posted November 26 Share Posted November 26 (edited) 1 hour ago, Steve Charlton said: Get Tindall And then he appoints Howe as his assistant. I think that might be the soltion. Edited November 26 by Erikse Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kanj Posted November 27 Share Posted November 27 7 hours ago, Erikse said: Not that it means that much, but transfermarkt has our squad value at 7th, despite having an ageing squad. The thing is our weakness, accoring to many atleast, was supposed to be squad depth. We have some very good key players that most other teams don't have. We're not in Europe, and we don't have that many injuries currently. So this is supposed to suit us perfectly, as we can field most of our key players each week without suffering too much from fatigue or having to use too many mediocre backups. it has absolutely nothng to do with value and most ppl won’t want to hear this but Jamaal and Krafth are absolutley fine squad players and actually quite good when needed in their roles. They’ve actually kept their levels. But rightfully are not first choice. It’s what Longstaff essentially is, fine as a squad player but has to be displaced long term. Those three shouldn’t be first choice and they are massively underrated by our fanbase. Jamaal and Krafth especially. Burn in that category too. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Erikse Posted November 27 Share Posted November 27 (edited) 37 minutes ago, Kanj said: it has absolutely nothng to do with value and most ppl won’t want to hear this but Jamaal and Krafth are absolutley fine squad players and actually quite good when needed in their roles. They’ve actually kept their levels. But rightfully are not first choice. It’s what Longstaff essentially is, fine as a squad player but has to be displaced long term. Those three shouldn’t be first choice and they are massively underrated by our fanbase. Jamaal and Krafth especially. Burn in that category too. Bringing in value was a pretty small point, but I think some of our fanbase tends to underrate our team of players a little. I think it's more than reasonable to expect atleast 7th without Europe. Finishing behind Villa with all their added games would be underperforming imo. I don't think that their squad is really that much better than ours, if it's even better in the first place. Personally I think our depth is decent aswell, it just seemed worse than what it really is last season. Most of our backups are ageing at this point, though. Edited November 27 by Erikse Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
andycap Posted November 27 Share Posted November 27 4 hours ago, lovejoy said: It’ll be a German manager if Eddie is replaced, imo. Hoeness, most likely. Bob? 😂 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Menace Posted November 27 Share Posted November 27 I'd fall asleep every game if Simeone ever came here not that it would happen Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SUPERTOON Posted November 27 Share Posted November 27 9 hours ago, lovejoy said: It’ll be a German manager if Eddie is replaced, imo. Hoeness, most likely. Think he will have bigger and better offers tbh. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Izakaya Posted November 27 Share Posted November 27 No point binning Eddie unless we are 100% sure we can replace him almost instantly with an elite or almost Elite manager, who are obviously scarce at the best of times let alone being available when we need them. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Izakaya Posted November 27 Share Posted November 27 16 minutes ago, SUPERTOON said: Think he will have bigger and better offers tbh. Sadly yes I agree. Seb Hoeness, Vincenzo Italiano or Diego Simone would be the boards target list in my opinion. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
andycap Posted November 27 Share Posted November 27 Just like to have someone who can look at the players and choose the right formation to get the best out of them. And isn't so tactically limited. Tommy tuchel would've been perfect. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sean Posted November 27 Share Posted November 27 (edited) Europe is absolutely a realistic and achievable target without European football to add to our workload. If we do not qualify for Europe, then I can't see how a manager would be so hard to replace. We wouldn't need the absolute elite to finish outside the top 7 so there would be plenty of viable options. Eddie still needs to learn to cope with a season of European football. His only attempt wasn't very successful, for whatever reason. It's a gap on his cv that he needs to fill to be considered among the elite. Edited November 27 by Sean Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tgarve Posted November 27 Share Posted November 27 (edited) 11 minutes ago, Sean said: Europe is absolutely a realistic and achievable target without European football to add to our workload. If we do not qualify for Europe, then I can't see how a manager would be so hard to replace. We wouldn't need the absolute elite to finish outside the top 7 so there would be plenty of viable options. Eddie still needs to learn to cope with a season of European football. His only attempt wasn't very successful, for whatever reason. It's a gap on his cv that he needs to fill to be considered among the elite. Whatever reason? we had a point with 1 senior player on the bench? Edited November 27 by tgarve Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wyn davies Posted November 27 Share Posted November 27 Get rid, time to move on.If he remains here through the transfer window and we don't move on then forget Europe. He never learns from his mistakes , doesn't appear to have any in game ideas, sorry but not for me. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sean Posted November 27 Share Posted November 27 1 minute ago, tgarve said: Whatever reason? we had a point with 1 senior player on the bench? Yes. Unless we know for an absolute fact that there was nothing Eddie could have done differently in order to avoid having such an injury crisis. Players being rushed back and breaking down after a few minutes on the pitch ring any bells? Let's not just pretend he is perfect eh. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ben Posted November 27 Share Posted November 27 A new manager will have the same problems as Howe, we dont have cash to bring real quality in and we have legacy older players that wont leave to free up funds Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted November 27 Share Posted November 27 14 minutes ago, Sean said: Europe is absolutely a realistic and achievable target without European football to add to our workload. If we do not qualify for Europe, then I can't see how a manager would be so hard to replace. We wouldn't need the absolute elite to finish outside the top 7 so there would be plenty of viable options. Eddie still needs to learn to cope with a season of European football. His only attempt wasn't very successful, for whatever reason. It's a gap on his cv that he needs to fill to be considered among the elite. Well we know the reason - injury crisis and impossible fixture list. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sean Posted November 27 Share Posted November 27 1 minute ago, AyeDubbleYoo said: Well we know the reason - injury crisis and impossible fixture list. What the fuck do you mean by impossible future list? And he wasn't completely blameless for the amount of injuries suffered. To try to claim he had no input is head in the sand stuff. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted November 27 Share Posted November 27 (edited) 1 minute ago, Sean said: What the fuck do you mean by impossible future list? And he wasn't completely blameless for the amount of injuries suffered. To try to claim he had no input is head in the sand stuff. Last season? Incredibly difficult PL start and the hardest CL group in living memory? We still nearly qualified for the next round if we hadn't been robbed by a ref. And we still finished in a league position that means Europe 90% of the time. People love to ask tough question where the answer is bloody obvious Edited November 27 by AyeDubbleYoo Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sean Posted November 27 Share Posted November 27 (edited) OK you feel last season was an overachievement by him under difficult circumstances he had no control over? That's fair enough. There's another view that if the squad had been managed better, we would have had a stronger season. Something he may even admit himself, as it was his first attempt at taking on a European campaign on top of a league one. Hopefully he can get us back into Europe and have the chance to learn from his experiences. Didn't think it was such a controversial take at all. Oh, and impossible future list is still bollocks. Difficult fair enough. Edited November 27 by Sean Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted November 27 Share Posted November 27 I thought it was pretty clear I was exaggerating. It's not literally impossible. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holmesy Posted November 27 Share Posted November 27 1 hour ago, Ben said: A new manager will have the same problems as Howe, we dont have cash to bring real quality in and we have legacy older players that wont leave to free up funds But a new manager is more likely to be open to different types of players, and will bring fresh ideas on how to mould the current group into a unit that is stronger than the sum of its parts - if we choose correctly. The financial shackles will still be in place but the strategy can be adjusted around a more flexible manager. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colos Short and Curlies Posted November 27 Share Posted November 27 This isn't a Howe specific point at all, and it may just be perception but I never feel we as a club are creative enough in the signings we make and also seem to go for safer options. We'd never have signed a Kinkladze for example. I know we've had some gems (Solano comes to mind immediately) who were under the radar but there is real value out there if we were to take a bit more of a risk at times. Difficult to explain the thought process. And this is not an Eddie 'British' thing, Rafa went for known quantities like Hayden and Gayle when we went down. In some ways Ashley bucked that trend, but most of the signings made whilst cheap you knew what you were getting Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tonalis Bookie Posted November 27 Share Posted November 27 last year in the 'injury crisis' we had fit players that meant we could comfortably play stronger teams by adapting formation. We explicitly chose not to do this, instead we put round pegs in square holes. We sent Anthony Gordon out to play on more than one occasion when he was either injured or utterly exhausted. We kept players desperate for a rest on the pitch when we were 3 goals up with 10 mins to play. The manager had options and warnings and he ignored them and the evidence was there for everyone to see. Some didnt want to see it. I will always bang on about it but the fact he put his ego with his tactics before having the players fly to Milan, train on the pitch and have that days rest is unacceptable. Not only was it poor for players but the club wasnt shown in the best light, on our return to Europe we weren't there for any press or any exposure, we were training behind closed doors. Wolves (a) was clear we were desperate for fresh legs as we were getting overrun and hammered all over the park, we didnt and we saw how it ended. Chelsea (a) AG was injured in the first half and couldnt move, was sent out unable to run for another 5 - 7 minuted after half time with the same injury. Liverpool (h) we were tiring after dominating and we didnt switch it up or recognise that Darwins pace would roast us. I acknowledge when Eddie gets it right, which is about 60% of the time IMO. However to overlook glaring issues and deficiencies because of what he did in the first 18 months isnt the way forward. The demands for Lloyd Kelly and DCL in summer were a huge warning sign of what we may be looking into and the inability to find a midfield that works with 2 elite midfielders remains a concern. Add to the fact his assistant is a meme and his nephew is a buffer in the club it makes us an embarrassment. Imagine getting in Klopp, Conte et al and them wanting a family member in recruitment. Eddie will do what he does, he will get us top 10 comfortably and we will have very impressive performance and wins against teams who are bigger than us, we may even go on a crazy run again into the top 6, but I dont see how the worrying factors can be overlooked. I'd love for him to adapt and grow as the team does but the last 12 months haven't shown that, they showed the opposite. I will always want an NUFC manager to succeed, but I wont ever overlook what is blatant due to credit in the bank. I just dont see us getting where we want under him sadly Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid Icarus Posted November 27 Share Posted November 27 I don't even know where to begin with that like. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted November 27 Share Posted November 27 I hate to think how people felt when we were actually bad. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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