Eddie Howe

[Gallowgate Toon]

Didn't Klopp push for his mate to be Director of Football on an interim basis to try and get his transfers through? Just turned out he was rubbish 

[tgarve]

8 minutes ago, Tonalis Bookie said:

last year in the 'injury crisis' we had fit players that meant we could comfortably play stronger teams by adapting formation. We explicitly chose not to do this, instead we put round pegs in square holes. We sent Anthony Gordon out to play on more than one occasion when he was either injured or utterly exhausted. We kept players desperate for a rest on the pitch when we were 3 goals up with 10 mins to play. The manager had options and warnings and he ignored them and the evidence was there for everyone to see. Some didnt want to see it. I will always bang on about it but the fact he put his ego with his tactics before having the players fly to Milan, train on the pitch and have that days rest is unacceptable. Not only was it poor for players but the club wasnt shown in the best light, on our return to Europe we weren't there for any press or any exposure, we were training behind closed doors.

 

Wolves (a) was clear we were desperate for fresh legs as we were getting overrun and hammered all over the park, we didnt and we saw how it ended. Chelsea (a) AG was injured in the first half and couldnt move, was sent out unable to run for another 5 - 7 minuted after half time with the same injury. Liverpool (h) we were tiring after dominating and we didnt switch it up or recognise that Darwins pace would roast us. 

 

I acknowledge when Eddie gets it right, which is about 60% of the time IMO. However to overlook glaring issues and deficiencies because of what he did in the first 18 months isnt the way forward. The demands for Lloyd Kelly and DCL in summer were a huge warning sign of what we may be looking into and the inability to find a midfield that works with 2 elite midfielders remains a concern. Add to the fact his assistant is a meme and his nephew is a buffer in the club it makes us an embarrassment. Imagine getting in Klopp, Conte et al and them wanting a family member in recruitment.

 

Eddie will do what he does, he will get us top 10 comfortably and we will have very impressive performance and wins against teams who are bigger than us, we may even go on a crazy run again into the top 6, but I dont see how the worrying factors can be overlooked. I'd love for him to adapt and grow as the team does but the last 12 months haven't shown that, they showed the opposite. I will always want an NUFC manager to succeed, but I wont ever overlook what is blatant due to credit in the bank. I just dont see us getting where we want under him sadly

This is a ridiculous post

 

the fact is he has done an incredible job with the players we have - the deficiencies are with the people doing the signings if anything 

 

His assistant is a meme- you literally have no clue what he does day to day? 
 

Most of what you have talked about there is selective and without the full story ( which Howe will have ) 

 

Surely things like Hall he has been proved right on? 
who would you suggest he was throwing on for these tired players- academy prospects?? 
 

surely signing Kelly was a good idea - we would have had trippier at centre back v West Ham if we didn’t - if we had signed DCL we would have had better backup all season? 
complete contradiction in your terms 

 

He’s not perfect but I think there’s way too much made of some losses- in reality if anything team in the prem gets it together for a full 90 they can give anyone else a game ? 

[Interpolic]

18 minutes ago, Tonalis Bookie said:

we may even go on a crazy run again into the top 6

 

Gonna be a wild ride seeing us make up that 1 point deficit.

[Geogaddi]

Using last season as a stick to beat Eddie with is desperate stuff mind , we had an unprecedented injury crisis and on top of that ended up with some of the maddest cup draws I have ever seen a club get in the same season, then you have that last minute joke penalty in Paris and the Tripper head loss that cost us against Chelsea, literally everything that could go wrong literally went wrong.

 

Saying that I do think we look a worse team than we did two years ago and that's not a good sign ,he will be lucky to survive if we don't get Europe this season and although I am still fully behind him I don't think he could complain if he got sacked should that happen .

 

 

Edited 4 hours ago by Geogaddi

[Kid Icarus]

I can't really get past what is undebatably the worst injury crisis the football club's had in my 30 odd years supporting it - the worst of any team last season in terms of days, one of the worst in terms of numbers, first team members, seperate injuries etc having injury crisis put in quotation marks.

 

 

Edited 4 hours ago by Kid Icarus

[Interpolic]

[The Butcher]

Playing clearly injured/knackered/unfit players contributed to that crisis mind.

[Kid Icarus]

1 minute ago, The Butcher said:

Playing clearly injured/knackered/unfit players contributed to that crisis mind.

We had 41 separate injuries like. To my mind the only one that they fucked up on, apparently based on dubious medical advice, was Botman.

[Interpolic]

Tbf we had hundreds of kids who were ready for PL football waiting in the wings.  Criminal they were never used, is he stupid?

[timeEd32]

3 hours ago, andycap said:

Just like to have someone who can look at the players and choose the right formation to get the best out of them. And isn't so tactically limited. 

Tommy tuchel would've been perfect. 

 

Quoting you because it shows the point, but I've seen this a lot...

 

There's an assumption that by replacing Eddie we can fix his flaws while maintaining all of his qualities. What if we become more tactically flexible while regressing at player development, as one example. What people want is a unicorn of a manager.

[Lush Vlad]

46 minutes ago, Kid Icarus said:

I can't really get past what is undebatably the worst injury crisis the football club's had in my 30 odd years supporting it - the worst of any team last season in terms of days, one of the worst in terms of numbers, first team members, seperate injuries etc having injury crisis put in quotation marks.

 

 

 

[timeEd32]

[JEToon]

3 hours ago, wyn davies said:

Get rid, time to move on.If he remains here through the transfer window and we don't move on then forget Europe. He never learns from his mistakes , doesn't appear to have any in game ideas, sorry but not for me.

 

have you actually watched us this season, there are several examples of us changing for the better during games 

 

 

[The Butcher]

44 minutes ago, Kid Icarus said:

We had 41 separate injuries like. To my mind the only one that they fucked up on, apparently based on dubious medical advice, was Botman.

Isak, Willock, Joelinton, Wilson as well. Probably more. All brought back before they were ready.

[Matt1892]

When was the last time we won 3 league games in a row? There hasn’t been any sort of consistency in our league performances for well over a year now.

 

European football should be the minimum expected of him to remain as manager here, but if there are doubts about his long term suitability for the role then he shouldn’t have any say on transfers in January.

EDIT - Brentford(H) Sheffield United(A) and Burnley(H) in September 2023.

 

 

 

Edited 2 hours ago by Matt1892

[Matt1892]

5 minutes ago, The Butcher said:

Isak, Willock, Joelinton, Wilson as well. Probably more. All brought back before they were ready.

He also played an injured Longstaff over Miley, which was a disaster.

[Erikse]

54 minutes ago, Kid Icarus said:

We had 41 separate injuries like. To my mind the only one that they fucked up on, apparently based on dubious medical advice, was Botman.

 

They appointed Bunce for a reason, and Howe talks about learning from the past when it comes to managing returning players. If Botman was the only mess up, why would they think that measures needed to be taken, and that lessons were there to be learned?

 

 

Edited 2 hours ago by Erikse

[AyeDubbleYoo]

15 minutes ago, Erikse said:

 

They appointed Bunce for a reason, and Howe talks about learning from the past when it comes to managing returning players. If Botman was the only mess up, why would they think that measures needed to be taken, and that lessons were there to be learned?

 

 

 

 

Wanting to maximise performance and make improvements doesn't mean Eddie Howe drove our players into early graves by asking them to run.

[Geordie Ahmed]

4 hours ago, wyn davies said:

Get rid, time to move on.If he remains here through the transfer window and we don't move on then forget Europe. He never learns from his mistakes , doesn't appear to have any in game ideas, sorry but not for me.

 

Maybe my memory isn't great but didn't his in game ideas turn the game around in our favour against Forest?

[AyeDubbleYoo]

1 hour ago, The Butcher said:

Playing clearly injured/knackered/unfit players contributed to that crisis mind.

 

If all your players are injured it might be slightly difficult to give everyone the week off. Unless we just started skipping matches or something. 

[Geordie Ahmed]

4 hours ago, Sean said:

Yes. Unless we know for an absolute fact that there was nothing Eddie could have done differently in order to avoid having such an injury crisis. Players being rushed back and breaking down after a few minutes on the pitch ring any bells?

 

Let's not just pretend he is perfect eh.

 

Who did he rush back for them to get injured only a few minutes on the pitch? (Please don't say Murphy)

[AyeDubbleYoo]

PS Great to have this debate again

[Roids]

I still don't and never will understand Longstaff over Tonali. 

Willock unfortunately hasn't found his peak form post injury, would start Barnes over him.

Joe needs to be in midfield, he's the engine of our team, especially if he persists with playing Longstaff.

 

Most worryingly of all though is that the intensity we used to play with has been missing all year long.

Possibly a culmination of injuries, fatigue (mental or physical) or something else but the identity of the team of the last two years hasn't been there.

I believe the personnel we have as is, even with the deficiency at RW, DM & Botman missing, is good enough to mount a strong challenge for a top 6 spot given the lack of European football.

 

Generally, disappointing start to the season, needs to up the levels in the training ground

[AyeDubbleYoo]

1 minute ago, Roids said:

I still don't and never will understand Longstaff over Tonali. 

Willock unfortunately hasn't found his peak form post injury, would start Barnes over him.

Joe needs to be in midfield, he's the engine of our team, especially if he persists with playing Longstaff.

 

Most worryingly of all though is that the intensity we used to play with has been missing all year long.

Possibly a culmination of injuries, fatigue (mental or physical) or something else but the identity of the team of the last two years hasn't been there.

I believe the personnel we have as is, even with the deficiency at RW, DM & Botman missing, is good enough to mount a strong challenge for a top 6 spot given the lack of European football.

 

Generally, disappointing start to the season, needs to up the levels in the training ground

 

We are challenging top 6 TBF, in fact we're challenging for 3rd. 

[Kid Icarus]

34 minutes ago, Erikse said:

 

They appointed Bunce for a reason, and Howe talks about learning from the past when it comes to managing returning players. If Botman was the only mess up, why would they think that measures needed to be taken, and that lessons were there to be learned?

 

 

 

 

I think there are two possible answers. The first and most likely imo is that because it was a top-down decision made above Howe's head but Howe will nigh on always tow the line and take responsibility on these things (providing no one steps on his toes), regardless of his true feelings. The second is because there's a huge amount of difference between a few instances of the wrong decisions being made in a wider injury crisis of 41 seperate injuries and putting injury crisis in quotation marks and implying that it was all or largely self-inflicted. 

 

 

Edited 2 hours ago by Kid Icarus