Eddie Howe

[bobbydazzla]

54 minutes ago, Astroblack said:

West Ham I agree inexcusable. But Brighton, we we're all over them, they won with a sucker punch. Followed up by Gordon’s pen miss against Everton and things would be looking a whole lot more different. 19 points in the 08-09 season would have us sitting pretty in 7th. Same for 19 points in the 98/99. Who’d have thought Brentford, Forest and  Fulham would hit this hot streaks? Btw in 08/09 game week 13, Hull had 21 points and finished 17th so anything can happen. 

Comparing league positions from 15 and 25 years ago man. In 1995/96 we were 12 points clear in Jan and look how that turned out, Liverpool must be shitting it right now. It’s all ancient history. 

 

With the naked eye in 2024 it’s clear to see we haven’t been playing well for a sustained period of time. Our league position reflects this. Shoulda, woulda, coulda’s don’t put points on the board retrospectively. 

 

The swagger we had in 22/23 is long gone. We’re now sloppy at the back, struggling in midfield and lacking clinical finishing up top 

 

Given the stated ambition of our owners, either Eddie turns it round, or he gets the bullet. 

 

 

Edited December 1, 2024 by bobbydazzla

[Shays Given Tim Flowers]

3 minutes ago, TheBrownBottle said:

‘Wasn’t allowed’ is a stretch mind.  Despite being completely fucked in terms of FFP (because Howe has been backed to the tune of c.£420m) the club still pursued his no.1 target past the point of reasonableness.  Then we switched to an insane bid for Elanga which was thankfully rejected.

 

Trippier’s been lost it seems due to a complete failure of professionalism.  Perhaps some better management might have helped?  I’ve no idea on that front, but could a different manager have produced a different outcome there?  Shitload of counterfactuals and ‘what ifs’ on that score. 

 

And don’t even begin to get me started on the way he dealt with Fraser.

[TheBrownBottle]

2 minutes ago, Shays Given Tim Flowers said:

 

And don’t even begin to get me started on the way he dealt with Fraser.

 anything short of a mild beating wouldn’t have been enough with Fraser

[Shays Given Tim Flowers]

Also when you have no idea on a front, maybe don’t articulate anything further.

[JonBez comesock]

48 minutes ago, AyeDubbleYoo said:

Who would you sell?

Our soul ?

[Shays Given Tim Flowers]

Already did that.

[Kanj]

Guys act like this doesn’t happen in football or a manger doesn’t have some tough times. Or players don’t put it in the back of the nyettttt every time they play. We’re not consistent, we haven’t signed a single first team starter in 2 windows, our DOF left in that period, a new one came in, and our asset managers also have left. We’re hiring a new CEO now. Lots of noise around the club. Tons to sort out. 

 

YOU don’t get consistency all the time when you’re chopping and changing key players in an organization, and it applies to board, corporate, scouting, coaching. 

 

 

Edited December 1, 2024 by Kanj

[54]

5 minutes ago, Kanj said:

Guys act like this doesn’t happen in football or a manger doesn’t have some tough times. Or players don’t put it in the back of the nyettttt every time they play. We’re not consistent, we haven’t signed a single first team starter in 2 windows, our DOF left in that period, a new one came in, and our asset managers also have left. We’re hiring a new CEO now. Lots of noise around the club. Tons to sort out. 

 

YOU don’t get consistency all the time when you’re chopping and changing key players in an organization, and it applies to board, corporate, scouting, coaching. 

 

 

 

You shut your sensible mouth.

[The Butcher]

 

[TheBrownBottle]

1 hour ago, Shays Given Tim Flowers said:

Also when you have no idea on a front, maybe don’t articulate anything further.

Yeah, fair enough

[Shays Given Tim Flowers]

thanks for being grown up about the snarkiness. 

[OoOGazOoO]

5 hours ago, JonBez comesock said:

Huge overreaction as always 

 

We are probably paying 7th/8th highest wages in the premier league. 

 

I think we will finish 6th or 7th 

 

We still have some very average squad players.

 

Dont know why people can’t see this.

Only absolute astute scouting / signings will get us back into the top 4/5.

 

It’s going to be a super slow build.

 

i am enjoying us at least being competitive again and have ambitious owners willing to put money in.

 

 

 

 

 

 

I think you're being kind saying we are 'competitive again'. Completely get the sentiment and where you're coming from, but losing 2-0 at home to 14th place West Ham, and a crap performance against 17th place Crystal Palace, isn't competitive. It's crap, quite bluntly. We got pretty much out-everythinged yesterday by a team that had won 1 of their last 5 and were a place above the drop zone.

[Rod]

4 minutes ago, OoOGazOoO said:

 

I think you're being kind saying we are 'competitive again'. Completely get the sentiment and where you're coming from, but losing 2-0 at home to 14th place West Ham, and a crap performance against 17th place Crystal Palace, isn't competitive. It's crap, quite bluntly. We got pretty much out-everythinged yesterday by a team that had won 1 of their last 5 and were a place above the drop zone.

But you missed the Wins over Arsenal, Chelsea and Nottingham Forest having their first home defeat against Newcastle. Strange that!

[Danh1]

5 hours ago, JonBez comesock said:

Huge overreaction as always 

 

We are probably paying 7th/8th highest wages in the premier league. 

 

I think we will finish 6th or 7th 

 

We still have some very average squad players.

 

Dont know why people can’t see this.

Only absolute astute scouting / signings will get us back into the top 4/5.

 

It’s going to be a super slow build.

 

i am enjoying us at least being competitive again and have ambitious owners willing to put money in.

 

 

 

 

 

How much of this is due to Howe wanting to keep hold of these average players?

 

Almiron new contract when his stock was high and he would’ve been a good player to sell. Talk of Wilson getting a new contract just last week ffs. Longstaff starting to games still despite being a try hard merchant at very best. 
 

 

[Rod]

4 minutes ago, Danh1 said:

How much of this is due to Howe wanting to keep hold of these average players?

 

Almiron new contract when his stock was high and he would’ve been a good player to sell. Talk of Wilson getting a new contract just last week ffs. Longstaff starting to games still despite being a try hard merchant at very best. 
 

 

Don't know where to start actually.  Do you not think Howe would love to let's say Rodri in midfield?

Bellingham (spelling) playing for us instead of Real Madrid?

Salah, KaKa etc.  He's forced to "keep" these "average" players because he has no other option.  Do we just release Almiron and Lonstaff because you and others think they are not worthy?  What would be the point in that?  Get a grip on reality man.

[The College Dropout]

14 minutes ago, Danh1 said:

How much of this is due to Howe wanting to keep hold of these average players?

 

Almiron new contract when his stock was high and he would’ve been a good player to sell. Talk of Wilson getting a new contract just last week ffs. Longstaff starting to games still despite being a try hard merchant at very best. 
 

 

Ultimately Howe doesn’t decide who stays or goes. We needed stronger leadership to make tough decisions. None of the people who should have made the call are here for the long term (Howe aside) now. 

[TRon]

32 minutes ago, OoOGazOoO said:

 

I think you're being kind saying we are 'competitive again'. Completely get the sentiment and where you're coming from, but losing 2-0 at home to 14th place West Ham, and a crap performance against 17th place Crystal Palace, isn't competitive. It's crap, quite bluntly. We got pretty much out-everythinged yesterday by a team that had won 1 of their last 5 and were a place above the drop zone.

 

We were more effective in the second half of the season when he first joined and signed Burn, Trippier and Wood. Not because we played better football, but because we gave nothing away and defended brilliantly. Now we look like a side stuck between two stools. Attacking without real belief or intent, and looking vulnerable at the back when we lose possession high up the pitch. I just don't think Howe has worked out how to make this bunch of players work, and ultimately that's his job.

[Danh1]

11 minutes ago, Rod said:

Don't know where to start actually.  Do you not think Howe would love to let's say Rodri in midfield?

Bellingham (spelling) playing for us instead of Real Madrid?

Salah, KaKa etc.  He's forced to "keep" these "average" players because he has no other option.  Do we just release Almiron and Lonstaff because you and others think they are not worthy?  What would be the point in that?  Get a grip on reality man.

Take it you didn’t read my post then?
 

I literally said that Almiron would’ve been a good player to sell whilst his stock was high, instead he got a new deal. Now he is essentially dead wood and can’t get a look in, reportedly we want to sell him in January.

 

It’s nothing to do with having Rodri and all to do with being clever in terms of PSR and improving the team. 

[hakka]

Maybe Howe deserves some slack. So many are having weird spells of form.

 

[andyc35i]

Villa on this winless run just shows how tough it is for teams like us playing in the champions league. We really have no excuse this season to be higher in the table, but I’m not worried just yet. A couple of results going our way when we deserved them too and we’d be sitting joint 2nd right now. It’s more disappointing that we haven’t been consistent enough as that would have separated us from the bunch. 
 

We will know where we stand come January with some tricky fixtures coming thick and fast. It’s just a shame that we have Liverpool next given that we can never beat them

[Geogaddi]

The weird thing about the Villa collapse is they have had nowhere near the amount of injuries we had last season and the champions league is also far easier this season than we had it last season.

[ExiledGeordie]

2 minutes ago, andyc35i said:

Villa on this winless run just shows how tough it is for teams like us playing in the champions league. We really have no excuse this season to be higher in the table, but I’m not worried just yet. A couple of results going our way when we deserved them too and we’d be sitting joint 2nd right now. It’s more disappointing that we haven’t been consistent enough as that would have separated us from the bunch. 
 

We will know where we stand come January with some tricky fixtures coming thick and fast. It’s just a shame that we have Liverpool next given that we can never beat them

Just heard Agbonlahor talking about Villa and the PSR issue. I know he comes across as a wanker at times but he’s bang on about the PSR issue. They’re in the same bit as us, hands tied by ludicrous rules. 

[ExiledGeordie]

Just now, Geogaddi said:

The weird thing about the Villa collapse is they have had nowhere near the amount of injuries we had last season and the champions league is also far easier this season than we had it last season.

Yeah I didn’t think they struggle as badly as this.

[Ikon]

9 minutes ago, andyc35i said:

Villa on this winless run just shows how tough it is for teams like us playing in the champions league. We really have no excuse this season to be higher in the table, but I’m not worried just yet. A couple of results going our way when we deserved them too and we’d be sitting joint 2nd right now. It’s more disappointing that we haven’t been consistent enough as that would have separated us from the bunch. 
 

We will know where we stand come January with some tricky fixtures coming thick and fast. It’s just a shame that we have Liverpool next given that we can never beat them

If if if. I see this often on here. We have the points we deserve, it’s as simple as that. If a team can’t finish and be more clinical/confident/defending well enough then it is what it is. It’s not like we’ve been fucked over by the refs countless times, everything against us. 
 

Im not too worried about the points/position right now. I am thought from what I can see on the pitch. How little we can get out of this group of players at the moment. Our lack of control/quality in possession. Our shape and lack of creativity and so on. 

 

 

Edited December 2, 2024 by Ikon

[ExiledGeordie]

6 minutes ago, Ikon said:

If if if. I see this often on here. We have the points we deserve, it’s as simple as that. If a team can’t finish and be more clinical/confident/defending well enough then it is what it is. It’s not like we’ve been fucked over by the refs countless times, everything against us. 
 

Im not too worried about the points/position right now. I am thought from what I can see on the pitch. How little we can get out of this group of players at the moment. Our lack of control/quality in possession. Our shape and lack of creativity and so on. 

 

 

 

This is a good point, our position and points in the league doesn’t concern me hugely but our general play is a huge concern. Currently I’m worried about whether we can beat Leicester and Ipswich at home. The next 4-6 games are massive for Howe imo.