Pilko Posted December 5 Share Posted December 5 I knew we'd up it tonight because we tend to for the bigger sides, but I didn't think we'd be as good as we were. Ridiculous how opposite it was to the Palace display. If we go to Brentford Saturday and roll over like a bunch of limp dicks, this result will be a lot less valuable. He needs to figure out how to replicate that kind of showing today more often. Hopefully he's learned that Tonali needs to play at least. Well done for tonight and a Premier League classic in terms of entertainment value, was great. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
andycap Posted December 5 Share Posted December 5 2 hours ago, KaKa said: Really like that he just left Gordon on the left today. Some frustrating moments still, but it ultimately got him a great goal that should hopefully get him up and running now. It's taken a while but good to also see Tonali deeper and Bruno further forward. Really looking forward to that combo against teams that sit in deep against us. Think we'll find solutions to open them up more easily now. Eddie keeps plugging away. Think he should just stick with the current midfield and Gordon on the left now and let that all bed in. We'll see what happens with recruitment as the coming windows come around. If he and Mitchell are on the same page, I could really see things progressing well. I agree but I'd like to see Barnes get five or six starts at rightwing see if he can nail the place down. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heron Posted December 5 Share Posted December 5 (edited) 16 minutes ago, Pilko said: I knew we'd up it tonight because we tend to for the bigger sides, but I didn't think we'd be as good as we were. Ridiculous how opposite it was to the Palace display. If we go to Brentford Saturday and roll over like a bunch of limp dicks, this result will be a lot less valuable. He needs to figure out how to replicate that kind of showing today more often. Hopefully he's learned that Tonali needs to play at least. Well done for tonight and a Premier League classic in terms of entertainment value, was great. This Tonali narrative needs to stop like. He's not the silver bullet. Great footballer but he's not the answer to us winning every match. The team as a whole needs to perform higher, it's not just on whether or not he plays. Edited December 5 by Heron Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KaKa Posted December 5 Share Posted December 5 16 minutes ago, andycap said: I agree but I'd like to see Barnes get five or six starts at rightwing see if he can nail the place down. Yeah, it's not a bad shout, and I don't know why it hasn't been tried yet when the alternatives are Murphy and Almiron tbh. However, now Bruno is in that RCM position, it should improve things regardless of who is on that side now, until we can upgrade the position. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Erikse Posted December 5 Share Posted December 5 (edited) 18 minutes ago, Heron said: This Tonali narrative needs to stop like. He's not the silver bullet. Great footballer but he's not the answer to us winning every match. The team as a whole needs to perform higher, it's not just on whether or not he plays. You're right, Longstaff is the answer to winning every match, as we've already conluded some weeks ago! And that wasn't a narrative right? Edited December 5 by Erikse Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pilko Posted December 5 Share Posted December 5 16 minutes ago, Heron said: This Tonali narrative needs to stop like. He's not the silver bullet. Great footballer but he's not the answer to us winning every match. The team as a whole needs to perform higher, it's not just on whether or not he plays. I never said he was a silver bullet, did I? He's clearly such a quality footballer though that he just needs to play and build everything around him, and Bruno. His inclusion should (and did tonight) help the others look better because a fit and comfortable Tonali will mean we keep the ball better and have more tempo in midfield. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Superior Acuña Posted December 5 Share Posted December 5 As people have alluded to, games like tonight don't really have much much bearing on my opinion of Howe at the moment. I expected us to do well - though we did better than I expected. A convincing win over West Ham would've given me more faith. Hope we can put together some kind of run now. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Erikse Posted December 5 Share Posted December 5 (edited) Just 2 weeks ago Longstaff got the creds for us turning the game around after he got subbed of and Tonali had come on. After we had an awful first half with Longstaff on the field not doing much. And all of a sudden Tonali getting some creds for a good game is just a narrative? Maybe we should hold both to the same standard, that would be less of a narrative. Edited December 5 by Erikse Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heron Posted December 5 Share Posted December 5 4 minutes ago, Pilko said: I never said he was a silver bullet, did I? He's clearly such a quality footballer though that he just needs to play and build everything around him, and Bruno. His inclusion should (and did tonight) help the others look better because a fit and comfortable Tonali will mean we keep the ball better and have more tempo in midfield. Fair arguments. It's just not the be all and end all is my point. The whole team played better tonight than in previous games. You only have to look at @Erikses response to see what I am referring to. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Erikse Posted December 5 Share Posted December 5 Just now, Heron said: Fair arguments. It's just not the be all and end all is my point. The whole team played better tonight than in previous games. You only have to look at @Erikses response to see what I am referring to. "We win more when Longstaff is playing", wasn't that sort of framing him as the silver bullet and giving him all the creds when there were several factors involved? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heron Posted December 5 Share Posted December 5 8 minutes ago, Erikse said: You're right, Longstaff is the answer to winning every match, as we've already conluded some weeks ago! And that wasn't a narrative right? This is ridiculous. All I said was Tonali isn't the silver bullet. He isn't. The fact you’ve reverted to Longstaff says it all. Both players are good players (albeit Tonali is more gifted) and both cabn serve their purpose. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Erikse Posted December 5 Share Posted December 5 Just now, Heron said: This is ridiculous. All I said was Tonali isn't the silver bullet. He isn't. The fact you’ve reverted to Longstaff says it all. Both players are good players (albeit Tonali is more gifted) and both cabn serve their purpose. I did that because you literally made the same arguments about Longstaff, as if he was the silver bullet to our form some games ago. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heron Posted December 5 Share Posted December 5 Just now, Erikse said: "We win more when Longstaff is playing", wasn't that sort of framing him as the silver bullet and giving him all the creds when there were several factors involved? At the time, until checks were done, it appeared factual. Difference is, I have said on numerous occasions both are good and both can co exist. I say Tonali being subbed in wasn't the whole solution and you jump to calling Longstaff out... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heron Posted December 5 Share Posted December 5 5 minutes ago, Erikse said: Just 2 weeks ago Longstaff got the creds for us turning the game around after he got subbed of and Tonali had come on. After we had an awful first half with Longstaff on the field not doing much. And all of a sudden Tonali getting some creds for a good game is just a narrative? Maybe we should hold both to the same standard, that would be less of a narrative. Did I say it was just a narrative? He was one of our best players tonight. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heron Posted December 5 Share Posted December 5 2 minutes ago, Erikse said: I did that because you literally made the same arguments about Longstaff, as if he was the silver bullet to our form some games ago. Ner that's never been my claim. Only that Longstaff isn't as shit as folk make out. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Erikse Posted December 5 Share Posted December 5 (edited) 3 minutes ago, Heron said: At the time, until checks were done, it appeared factual. Difference is, I have said on numerous occasions both are good and both can co exist. I say Tonali being subbed in wasn't the whole solution and you jump to calling Longstaff out... The thing is you start calling people out for saying that Tonali needs to play after 2 very good performances. If Longstaff performed like Tonali has, and someone said that he needs to play, what if someone replied with "the Longstaff narrative needs to stop"? Would you agree? Edited December 5 by Erikse Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heron Posted December 5 Share Posted December 5 3 minutes ago, Erikse said: The thing is you start calling people out for saying that Tonali needs to play after 2 very good performances. If Longstaff performed like Tonali has, and someone said that he needs to play, what if someone replied with "the Longstaff narrative needs to stop"? Would you agree? I'm not calling anyone out for saying Tonali should start when he plays well and deserves his spot. If we gain better results with Tonali in the side, I'd stop backing Sean. Of course I would. I don't believe I've ever said anything otherwise. So not sure on your point tbh. My desire is for NUFC to win not Sean Longstaff to play. The same doesn't appear to have been the case for many in weeks gone by. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted December 5 Share Posted December 5 Heron this Longstaff / Tonali thing is a bit tedious, mind. I know you love the ‘local lads’ to the nth degree but it’s beneath you to be constantly pushing this horseshit. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heron Posted December 5 Share Posted December 5 (edited) 2 minutes ago, Ronaldo said: Heron this Longstaff / Tonali thing is a bit tedious, mind. I know you love the ‘local lads’ to the nth degree but it’s beneath you to be constantly pushing this horseshit. Wasn't me who brought it up. I simply said Tonali wasn't the only answer to why we got a result. Read. Edited December 5 by Heron Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Erikse Posted December 5 Share Posted December 5 (edited) 13 minutes ago, Heron said: I'm not calling anyone out for saying Tonali should start when he plays well and deserves his spot. If we gain better results with Tonali in the side, I'd stop backing Sean. Of course I would. I don't believe I've ever said anything otherwise. So not sure on your point tbh. My desire is for NUFC to win not Sean Longstaff to play. The same doesn't appear to have been the case for many in weeks gone by. I don't really mind Longstaff myself, but to me there was also a pretty strong Longstaff narrative not so long ago, almost to the point of him single handedly winning every win where he starts, so it goes a bit over the top both ways. Edited December 5 by Erikse Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heron Posted December 5 Share Posted December 5 (edited) 5 minutes ago, Erikse said: I don't really mind Longstaff myself, but to me there was also a pretty strong Longstaff narrative not so long ago, almost to the point of him single handedly winning every win where he starts, so it goes a bit over the top both ways. It probably does. The mad thing is though Bruno has arguably been our worst performing CM this season. So to Ronaldos point I am also sick of the Tonali versus Longstaff narrative. I love local lads, I love anyone who gives their all. Bruno and Tonali inclusive. What we need is for whatever combination to be working and working regularly. My point was simply that it isn't just Tonali (or Longstaff) that makes us win. The difference is, no one is calling Tonali shite. People often to do with Longstaff. Edited December 5 by Heron Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted December 5 Share Posted December 5 3 hours ago, Lush Vlad said: It is becoming a bit of a gripe when we’re winning or drawing a game. We often just seem to leave the same players out there no matter how it is going or how jaded certain players look. Yet when we’re chasing. We will suddenly make wholesale changes all at once and they often don’t come off or we don’t leave enough time for them to make an impact. I Thought the game was crying out for Willock and/or Longstaff a bit earlier. Don’t want to piss and moan too much, mind. Fully deserved point against the best club side in the world at the minute. He’s always done this imo. A game will turn but the game state will be ok so Howe won’t react until we conceded. Then he’ll make the subs he should’ve made 10 minutes earlier. I’ve learnt to live with it. Sometimes it works. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Menace Posted December 5 Share Posted December 5 Was only able to watch extended highlights due to it being on at silly o clock over here, absolutely missed us just creating chance upon chance upon chance. So refreshing and brings back a lot of optimism. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
buzza Posted December 5 Share Posted December 5 Lookednlike Tonali played the n°6 role last night and bruno kind of swapped between a right 8 and double pivot when needed. Anyone else notice that Joe linton in the first half was like a n°10 and he looled really good Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stifler Posted December 5 Share Posted December 5 6 hours ago, Pilko said: I knew we'd up it tonight because we tend to for the bigger sides, but I didn't think we'd be as good as we were. Ridiculous how opposite it was to the Palace display. If we go to Brentford Saturday and roll over like a bunch of limp dicks, this result will be a lot less valuable. He needs to figure out how to replicate that kind of showing today more often. Hopefully he's learned that Tonali needs to play at least. Well done for tonight and a Premier League classic in terms of entertainment value, was great. Yeah, the worry is that we can only do that against teams who want to win themselves. Liverpool needed to win, and it’s in their nature to go for one. Brentford are quite attacking, and at home, so I’m a lite more positive about it than other games, although they bring their own dangers with that. Leicester, and Ipswich though, they will both be very happy point against us. They won’t attack and leaves gaps like others do. So far we haven’t found any answers for games like that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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