Fak Posted Thursday at 14:29 Share Posted Thursday at 14:29 1 minute ago, Rod said: Just turned 68 ya knacker! Did you do anything nice for it? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rod Posted Thursday at 14:36 Share Posted Thursday at 14:36 6 minutes ago, Fak said: Did you do anything nice for it? The wife and I spent a week in Lanzarote. Cheers. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cf Posted Thursday at 14:46 Share Posted Thursday at 14:46 So for those saying Howe should be sacked if we finish below 8th, presumably the same would be said for Emery at this point. So assuming the "big 6" take the 6 spots you're saying either one of Howe or Emery should be sacked at the end of the season? Sounds a bit ridiculous to me. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rod Posted Thursday at 14:48 Share Posted Thursday at 14:48 1 minute ago, Cf said: So for those saying Howe should be sacked if we finish below 8th, presumably the same would be said for Emery at this point. So assuming the "big 6" take the 6 spots you're saying either one of Howe or Emery should be sacked at the end of the season? Sounds a bit ridiculous to me. It is ridiculous. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
HaydnNUFC Posted Thursday at 14:55 Share Posted Thursday at 14:55 8 minutes ago, Cf said: So for those saying Howe should be sacked if we finish below 8th, presumably the same would be said for Emery at this point. So assuming the "big 6" take the 6 spots you're saying either one of Howe or Emery should be sacked at the end of the season? Sounds a bit ridiculous to me. TBF Emery has the CL to contend with this season, we don't. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Erikse Posted Thursday at 15:00 Share Posted Thursday at 15:00 (edited) This seasons Villa is pretty similar to our last season in terms of expectations imo. We had tougher opponents in Europe, but they have more games. If Villa fail to qualify for Europe, their next season will be like this season for us, atleast in terms of expectations and talk of Emerys job. Finally, he has actually qualified for Europe with them twice, so that also makes up a small difference. Edited Thursday at 15:03 by Erikse Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cf Posted Thursday at 15:06 Share Posted Thursday at 15:06 1 minute ago, HaydnNUFC said: TBF Emery has the CL to contend with this season, we don't. Sure, but that's not the point i'm making. If we've got 6 teams who "should" finish in the top 6 then that leaves little for everyone else. We're not the only team in the PL with ambitions. Multiple clubs can do a good job, but they can't all take 7th. I'm not saying Howe and the hierarchy are above criticism but I find blanket statements like "7th or sacked" incredibly simplistic and a road to ruin. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted Thursday at 15:16 Share Posted Thursday at 15:16 (edited) Deciding on a manager based on a league position here and there is idiotic anyway TBH. It should always be about overall performance, future possibilities, fit with the strategy etc. Last year we basically only missed out on Europe due to bad luck, even with an injury crisis I've never seen before and incredibly difficult fixtures. When Howe shows that he has given up, can't solve problems, can't motivate players etc... that's when we should be thinking about sacking him. Edited Thursday at 15:16 by AyeDubbleYoo Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paully Posted Thursday at 15:21 Share Posted Thursday at 15:21 (edited) Crazy to think we were that daft Trips mistake away at Chelsea late on to being in three successive league cup semi finals (and it would have been two finals as we'd have tanked Boro over two legs!)! Our record before Eddie was tragic in this competition! Edited Thursday at 15:33 by Paully Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted Thursday at 15:29 Share Posted Thursday at 15:29 25 minutes ago, Erikse said: This seasons Villa is pretty similar to our last season in terms of expectations imo. We had tougher opponents in Europe, but they have more games. If Villa fail to qualify for Europe, their next season will be like this season for us, atleast in terms of expectations and talk of Emerys job. Finally, he has actually qualified for Europe with them twice, so that also makes up a small difference. I agree, Emery's position is more like ours last season when we were playing CL, except they have qualified for the next stage whereas we went out. I am quite surprised to hear he is under pressure after a couple of poor results in the league. He's been brilliant for them, you would only really expect doubts to surface if they had a poor season. Don't see how you can judge that when they are still in the CL. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt1892 Posted Thursday at 16:53 Share Posted Thursday at 16:53 3 hours ago, Interpolic said: Aye I've noticed We can't look at these 6 clubs who have been given every possible advantage with the new rules, are on a different planet to us financially, and say we MUST finish above at least one of them or it's curtains and the manager has to go. That's madness. Obviously the plan is to build our finances so we can compete consistently on more of a level playing field, but whether that's possible at quicker than a snail's pace is the great unknown. People giving Howe these daft targets most probably don't like Howe and want him sacked for whatever reason. Even if you take the sky six out and say that we can’t compete with them due to finance, which doesn’t take in to account that they have bad seasons… We have a higher revenue than Villa as of the last set of accounts, the 7th highest in the league, so why is 7th an overachievement? Not even taking in to account all of the extra games Villa have in Europe this year. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt1892 Posted Thursday at 16:57 Share Posted Thursday at 16:57 1 hour ago, AyeDubbleYoo said: Deciding on a manager based on a league position here and there is idiotic anyway TBH. It should always be about overall performance, future possibilities, fit with the strategy etc. Last year we basically only missed out on Europe due to bad luck, even with an injury crisis I've never seen before and incredibly difficult fixtures. When Howe shows that he has given up, can't solve problems, can't motivate players etc... that's when we should be thinking about sacking him. If we finish lower than 7th then it is showing a trend of going backwards season on season. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scoot Posted Thursday at 17:02 Share Posted Thursday at 17:02 5 minutes ago, Matt1892 said: If we finish lower than 7th then it is showing a trend of going backwards season on season. Which is exactly what PSR was designed to do... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cf Posted Thursday at 18:09 Share Posted Thursday at 18:09 1 hour ago, Matt1892 said: Even if you take the sky six out and say that we can’t compete with them due to finance, which doesn’t take in to account that they have bad seasons… We have a higher revenue than Villa as of the last set of accounts, the 7th highest in the league, so why is 7th an overachievement? Not even taking in to account all of the extra games Villa have in Europe this year. So if we take those 6 out you expect us to win the league or fire our manager? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBrownBottle Posted Thursday at 18:48 Share Posted Thursday at 18:48 It was the performances this season that were as concerning as the results. Hopefully a corner has been turned, but focussing on league position is a little myopic. We have been playing below our ‘level’ for the majority of the season; less than the sum of our parts. That is why Howe’s position has come under pressure. Again, as I’ve said on here, I think he deserves the time to turn it around, but I can’t pretend that the games I’ve seen this season were all good. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted Thursday at 19:28 Share Posted Thursday at 19:28 2 hours ago, Matt1892 said: If we finish lower than 7th then it is showing a trend of going backwards season on season. Depends on how it happens IMO. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted Thursday at 19:40 Share Posted Thursday at 19:40 (edited) 1 hour ago, TheBrownBottle said: It was the performances this season that were as concerning as the results. Hopefully a corner has been turned, but focussing on league position is a little myopic. We have been playing below our ‘level’ for the majority of the season; less than the sum of our parts. That is why Howe’s position has come under pressure. Again, as I’ve said on here, I think he deserves the time to turn it around, but I can’t pretend that the games I’ve seen this season were all good. This is me as well. We've looked a confused side for a lot of the season, then we had a spell where we beat Chelsea, Arsenal and Forest and I genuinely thought we'd turned the corner. This does feel a bit different though as for the first time the midfield looked like it clicked with both Tonali and Bruno in it. And more importantly, with Tonali sitting deeper it seems like we are better equipped to recover if we lose the ball in bad positions with his pace. Saw it a couple of times last night for example. Edited Thursday at 20:05 by TRon Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JEToon Posted Thursday at 19:56 Share Posted Thursday at 19:56 Our great win this season against….Man U? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe1984 Posted Thursday at 19:58 Share Posted Thursday at 19:58 5 hours ago, Rod said: Just turned 68 ya knacker! A belated Happy Birthday to you! You old fart! 😄 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
STM Posted Thursday at 20:13 Share Posted Thursday at 20:13 I don't believe any manager would have done a better job than Howe has done for us. They might have matched him and it might have taken a different path but i doubt they would have done better. I can see a scenario where someone had a slower start and we gradually grew into a CL challenging side but ultimately they would have ran into the same problems; fixture congestion, fatigue, injury pile up, expectations getting higher and ultimately a plateau-ening of our trajectory. The real question is whether we want Howe or someone else to take us forward and while everyone is welcome to an opinion, personally I think you'd have to have a screw loose to seriously think there's anyone out there that is realistically going to do a better job. There's plenty of side ways steps but very few definitively better options. Every time Howe hits a bumpy patch we seem to come out of the other side without embarrassing ourselves for too long or not picking up some results. The type of football we play is fantastic, we have reached 2 semi finals + 1 final, gotten to the CL, made some of the greatest memories in our history, broken shit tonnes of statistical records (for what they are worth) and it's been overwhelmingly enjoyable. Long may it continue IMO. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted Thursday at 20:22 Share Posted Thursday at 20:22 Superb post. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted Thursday at 20:23 Share Posted Thursday at 20:23 On another note, good to see some short corners being taken to good effect over the last few games. Got sick of the sight of us floating them high towards Burn and Schar with every one getting cut out by the defence or a weak header bobbling into the stand. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nemtizz Posted Thursday at 20:23 Share Posted Thursday at 20:23 (edited) 10 minutes ago, STM said: I don't believe any manager would have done a better job than Howe has done for us. They might have matched him and it might have taken a different path but i doubt they would have done better. I can see a scenario where someone had a slower start and we gradually grew into a CL challenging side but ultimately they would have ran into the same problems; fixture congestion, fatigue, injury pile up, expectations getting higher and ultimately a plateau-ening of our trajectory. The real question is whether we want Howe or someone else to take us forward and while everyone is welcome to an opinion, personally I think you'd have to have a screw loose to seriously think there's anyone out there that is realistically going to do a better job. There's plenty of side ways steps but very few definitively better options. Every time Howe hits a bumpy patch we seem to come out of the other side without embarrassing ourselves for too long or not picking up some results. The type of football we play is fantastic, we have reached 2 semi finals + 1 final, gotten to the CL, made some of the greatest memories in our history, broken shit tonnes of statistical records (for what they are worth) and it's been overwhelmingly enjoyable. Long may it continue IMO. Edited Thursday at 20:24 by nemtizz Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBrownBottle Posted Thursday at 21:25 Share Posted Thursday at 21:25 1 hour ago, TRon said: This is me as well. We've looked a confused side for a lot of the season, then we had a spell where we beat Chelsea, Arsenal and Forest and I genuinely thought we'd turned the corner. This does feel a bit different though as for the first time the midfield looked like it clicked with both Tonali and Bruno in it. And more importantly, with Tonali sitting deeper it seems like we are better equipped to recover if we lose the ball in bad positions with his pace. Saw it a couple of times last night for example. Yeah, the midfield issue looks like it’s much closer to being ‘fixed’. The Bruno / Tonali switch just looks so much better. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weezertron Posted Thursday at 21:34 Share Posted Thursday at 21:34 Eddie all the way. Would love to see him become more flexible with his approach to transfer targets (cheaper), but other than that he's the man. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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