Eddie Howe

[TBG]

Has Howe commented on Trumps plans for Greenland? If not why won't he answer the question.

[Displayname]

59 minutes ago, Interpolic said:

Any of our own fans still using Bournemouth's relegation as a stick to beat Howe with

 

They were second bottom of League Two when he first took over, i.e. 91st in the country. From 91st to 16th in the PL, then 9th, 12th, 14th and yes 18th, getting relegated on goal difference. 

 

Bournemouth's ground holds 11k people, they are a historically tiny club who had no business being there. And he clearly left them in a decent enough spot given their PL presence afterwards. 

 

His tenure at Bournemouth was a miraculous success and he had them there playing good football, ripping up the route one style of successful newly promoted sides before them. 

 

It's been 4 years, 1 trophy, 2 CL campaigns, some of our best moments ever supporting this club yet some still sneer at him like Steve Bruce did because his journey wasn't as glamorous as you'd like. Good company, lads. 

You guys are sure great at taking things out of context.

All this from me stating the simple fact that he got relegated at Bournemouth as a counterpoint to the claim that it always works out for him in the end.

[Interpolic]

8 minutes ago, Displayname said:

You guys are sure great at taking things out of context.

All this from me stating the simple fact that he got relegated at Bournemouth as a counterpoint to the claim that it always works out for him in the end.

 

The relegation gets mentioned plenty. You'd think our own fans would know better but there are plenty of sad acts waiting around for any setback to jump on it with glee. 

 

Howe did an outstanding job at Bournemouth - he had them competing well in the PL for 5 years, getting them up from the 4th division. 

 

To focus on an unfortunate relegation like it proves anything, after all he achieved there, is pathetic.

[Chicken Dancer]

Howe is a brilliant coach and has performed miracles at Bournemouth and at Newcastle. What he achieved in a 4 year spell, given where we were when he took the job, is beyond anything any of us could ever have dreamed of. I hope he's here for a long time.

 

We've also performed poorly in most of our games this season, became very dull to watch and the business in the summer window looks to be very poor (so far).

 

All of that can be true surely?

[Interpolic]

2 minutes ago, Chicken Dancer said:

Howe is a brilliant coach and has performed miracles at Bournemouth and at Newcastle. What he achieved in a 4 year spell, given where we were when he took the job, is beyond anything any of us could ever have dreamed of. I hope he's here for a long time.

 

We've also performed poorly in most of our games this season, became very dull to watch and the business in the summer window looks to be very poor (so far).

 

All of that can be true surely?

 

Mostly fair but "performed poorly in most of our games this season, became very dull to watch" is a stretch. 

 

Where are all of these other PL sides blowing away every side they face with scintillating football every week? And if there aren't (m)any of them then why is Howe being held to that standard, especially with the challenges he's faced? 

[Chicken Dancer]

1 minute ago, Interpolic said:

 

Mostly fair but "performed poorly in most of our games this season, became very dull to watch" is a stretch. 

 

Where are all of these other PL sides blowing away every side they face with scintillating football every week? And if there aren't (m)any of them then why is Howe being held to that standard, especially with the challenges he's faced? 

 

Yeah I said yesterday that football has became dull across the board, it's not exclusive to us. But we still have been dull though.

 

I genuinely think we have performed poorly in most of our league games, I don't really think it's up for debate. Even the wins against Burnley x 2, Fulham, Wolves and large parts of the Leeds game we were poor to OK. The draws away to Wolves, Leeds and Bournemouth and obviously away at Sunderland were all pretty crap and could still be playing now and not scored. 

 

Liverpool, Man City, Everton and half of Arsenal, Villa and Chelsea I'd say we were really good. We were OK against Spurs at home, but I wouldn't say it was us at our best. I think we played well at OT on Boxing Day too, though again didn't look like scoring.

[Displayname]

42 minutes ago, Interpolic said:

 

The relegation gets mentioned plenty. You'd think our own fans would know better but there are plenty of sad acts waiting around for any setback to jump on it with glee. 

 

Howe did an outstanding job at Bournemouth - he had them competing well in the PL for 5 years, getting them up from the 4th division. 

 

To focus on an unfortunate relegation like it proves anything, after all he achieved there, is pathetic.

It sure as hell proves that it doesn't always work out for him in the end, which was my only point with bringing it up.

 

He did do an outstanding job at Bournmouth overall, just like he has here.

[Menace]

21 minutes ago, Chicken Dancer said:

Howe is a brilliant coach and has performed miracles at Bournemouth and at Newcastle. What he achieved in a 4 year spell, given where we were when he took the job, is beyond anything any of us could ever have dreamed of. I hope he's here for a long time.

 

We've also performed poorly in most of our games this season, became very dull to watch and the business in the summer window looks to be very poor (so far).

 

All of that can be true surely?

 

This is where I'm at. To add the loss to Sunderland where we looked so dejected and toothless it was borderline embarrassing.

[LiquidAK]

27 minutes ago, Displayname said:

It sure as hell proves that it doesn't always work out for him in the end, which was my only point with bringing it up.

 

He did do an outstanding job at Bournmouth overall, just like he has here.

You're misrepresenting my point here, I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and assume it's a genuine misunderstanding and not aimed at strengthening your argument.

 

I didn't say "it always works out" for him, I said he always gets there, as in he always learns from setbacks and comes back a better manager afterwards. He did that after the relegation with Bournemouth, and he's done it multiple times in the 4 years he's been with us. No-one is saying Howe is a perfect manager who never makes any mistakes.

[The Prophet]

Watching a couple of recent games I thought I'd noticed green shoots, a recognised playing style when we have the ball, even if it is a work in progress.

 

Then I gave my head a wobble. Putting aside preventing Bournemouth from going out of existence, getting them promoted four times, saving our own club from certain relegation, before turning us into a trophy winning, Champions League club, Howe has absolutely no experience of evolving and has earned neither our time nor patience.

 

This is stubborn Eddie Howe who brought overpriced filth like Anthony Elanga and Jacob Ramsey to our club, no doubt without any form of planning. We should be looking to hire an elite manager like Unai Emery to take us to the next level.

[TaylorJ_01]

The tedious overreaction to any remote criticism of players or coaches is so tiresome, man.

 

It's like the world we live in now, we seem to have to have one extreme view or the other. Are we not allowed to discuss or criticise anything without some sort of mocking retort?

 

I bloody love Eddie Howe, but still it's not wrong to comment or criticise things, or have an opinion. Not everyone has to have the exact same opinion on stuff

[TaylorJ_01]

"Elanga hasn't been very good"

"oh great yeah let's sell him for three pence to auchinleck talbot and set fire to his garden and hang him upside down from monument and throw eggs at the cunt"

 

ad infintum

[The Prophet]

Why aren't you allowed to have an opinion on here? 

[SUPERTOON]

19 minutes ago, The Prophet said:

Watching a couple of recent games I thought I'd noticed green shoots, a recognised playing style when we have the ball, even if it is a work in progress.

 

Then I gave my head a wobble. Putting aside preventing Bournemouth from going out of existence, getting them promoted four times, saving our own club from certain relegation, before turning us into a trophy winning, Champions League club, Howe has absolutely no experience of evolving and has earned neither our time nor patience.

 

This is stubborn Eddie Howe who brought overpriced filth like Anthony Elanga and Jacob Ramsey to our club, no doubt without any form of planning. We should be looking to hire an elite manager like Unai Emery to take us to the next level.

Genuine question, what were the green shoots you have seen over the last few games ? 

[Interpolic]

6 minutes ago, TaylorJ_01 said:

The tedious overreaction to any remote criticism of players or coaches is so tiresome, man.

 

It's like the world we live in now, we seem to have to have one extreme view or the other. Are we not allowed to discuss or criticise anything without some sort of mocking retort?

 

I bloody love Eddie Howe, but still it's not wrong to comment or criticise things, or have an opinion. Not everyone has to have the exact same opinion on stuff

 

Subjective innit. Can't speak for everyone but I'll speak for myself... 

 

I tend to jump in when I feel the criticism is OTT or Howe is being hit with cheap shots. When you're talking about someone who has led us to so much success and with such class, then yeah I'm gonna defend that bloke to the hilt when people are talking utter shit about him. 

 

Anyone who wants a moan in here and wants to ignore context, judge him far more harshly than the rest of the managers in the league - fine. But I'm gonna push back and often mock them in the process, I don't see what it is about their 'arguments' that deserve better. 

[KDT]

 

 

 

Edited January 20 by KDT

[Sibierski]

5 hours ago, Displayname said:

I'm honestly not sure what kind of playstyle we are trying to change to, it all looks kind of a mess to me.

When Bruno other month said we were a mess, that felt very damning. We are able to hook it up at times, but it does feel and even show, that something is off on the training ground. 

[The Prophet]

11 minutes ago, SUPERTOON said:

Genuine question, what were the green shoots you have seen over the last few games ? 

 

It's a very small sample size, but there seemed to be a noteable difference in the patterns of the full backs, in terms of their runs and general positioning. It looked like we were aiming for a 2-3-5, but we lacked the dynamism to do it a way that created overloads or overwhelmed the opposition defence.

[vicente_14]

Alan Davies made some interesting points on his Tuesday Club podcast about the state of modern football  which seems to resonate when you watch us every three days and see how we struggle away from home.

He mentioned that the game is slow and dull, teams take ages over every single corner and throw in (including Arsenal), strikers with very few exceptions (Haaland, Thiago, Calvert-Lewin etc) struggle for goals because the game is now slow and teams just pass side to side constantly, full backs are getting much of the ball and often the furthest forward and often in the opposition box the most but don’t score.

The bigger sides spend most of the game in the final third and the opposition are camped in their final third too so the game is tight and compressed so finding spaces and gaps is challenging and another negative for strikers as chances are very limited.

The biggest sides are playing every 3 days, and playing sides like Manchester United who play once a week and come fresh to a game and can go all out (see the Manchester derby). And now Manchester United have a clear 8 days to prepare for the away game to Arsenal.

 

Nobody really flourishing in open play, see Liverpool and there huge spend on attacking players yet struggling to score or do much and absolutely boring to watch.

 

The top strikers having played every few days have run about a million miles and are knackered and constantly having to fight against big lumps like Murillo & Milenkovic.

Lots of low scoring games, lots of so called lesser sides relying on centre  halves to pinch headed set piece goals, and the sides not having to play every three days, West Ham beating Spurs, Wolves drawing with us, Everton beating Aston Villa, Burnley drawing at Liverpool.

I think it’s all quite relevant to us, we do look tired, we do lack ideas, rotation of players can freshen things but the other sides are fresher and having had full weeks to prepare are well drilled and hard to break down.

 

I do think our business has been pretty poor in regards to how we play and as Eddie doesn’t seem to want a plan B and just wants plan A done better, so to play our intensive high press, we cant rotate Bruno/Tonali/Joelinton with Willock or Ramsey as they are not the same profile, Elanga seems the perfect fit for how we used to play but well, say no more. The choice of Big Nick (love Big Nick!) and Wissa doesn’t overly compliment the high press and big energy style of play and weirdly Osula seems the best fit for that style but not trusted/injured. The only sensible piece of business seems Thiaw who seems a logical, quicker swap for Fabian.

So in a nutshell, Football is sh*t now, Eddie is great but stubborn and he may or may not sort it out, Sean Dyche looks ridiculous in a tight fitting tracksuit, Elanga will probably trip over his own feet next time he tries to cross a ball, Spurs will fire the gum chewing PE teacher with two first names and will not be much better off because they have far bigger issues, Arsenal will bore their way to the title, Liverpool will just bore, Man Utd will probably pinch a Champions League place because they have very few games and forever to prepare for each game, and yet we all still love football.

[GOTONEW]

On a slightly different note. While there will be better managers out there (daft to not think that) I can't help but think: during his dips and his peaks, the amazing results and disastrous results, and knowing he can improve...I always struggle to think of a better person to represent us.

His interaction with the media always puts the club in a good light. He never embarrasses us, never has a shitty attitude to the reporter, always acknowledges the importance of the fans and the way the players need to excite the fans, etc. He speaks calmly and clearly, yet obviously has passion. He's level-headed but able to look beyond the now.

Obviously results are the most important thing to the business (and they're great on the whole). But his representation of NUFC is flawless, IMHO. I struggle to think of a better person to lead us. 

[Chicken Dancer]

11 minutes ago, Interpolic said:

judge him far more harshly than the rest of the managers in the league

 

Not meaning to be a dick here but why would we - as NUFC fans - give a shit about the rest of the managers in the league?

 

Howe is amazing and should be immortalised here when he eventually leaves (hopefully in many, many years). But just because other teams are underperforming doesn't mean we should just accept it or put our heads in the sand, surely? People pay their money to go so should surely be allowed to have an opinion on what they're seeing on the pitch? It's been poor for most of the season and that's my opinion. 

 

It doesn't mean I want him out or want to clean house, I have complete faith that eventually it will click again. But up until now it's been poor - certainly on the eye. There's numerous reasons why that is the case which can be factored into to any argument, but it can't be denied at this point. 

[Sibierski]

3 hours ago, LiquidAK said:

I don't agree with that. Guardiola's Man City doesn't play the same as his Barcelona - similarities for sure but he's evolved over the years. There's maybe even an interesting comparison to be drawn between adapting to a very different style of centre forward in Haaland and what Howe needs to find the solution to with Woltemade.

 

I think we fundamentally disagree that a manager is going to be locked in to a specific way of playing and will struggle to evolve it. Howe is clearly trying to evolve his, time will tell if he's successful - my money is on he will be.

 

His (Pep) underlying principles been the same at Man City as was at Barcelona, just not to the extreme. I.e. Wingers being high and wide, but then crashing in back post was his at Barce with Henry / Villa / Pedro and was same with Mahrez / Sane / Sterling.

 

It’s this current Man City side that’s unlike Pep, and it’s showing because it doesn’t fit his style and he’s having to adapt himself, which he’s struggling. 
 

In general, managers don’t change and if they do, they struggle hard. Howe way is his way, can’t see him changing. So we either get better players to implement it, or start the uneasy journey of signing different player profiles where we know how it often ends with the manager. 

[Sibierski]

18 minutes ago, KDT said:

 

 

 

 

I’d hope that was pinpointed as a potential turning point, giving it was playing three of the newly promoted sides and 5 of last seasons bottom 8  

 

That is the easy run over now.

[The Prophet]

I love Eddie, but I don't understand why so many are afraid to hear some home truths. PIF won't hold back at the end of the season, serious questions will be asked.

[AyeDubbleYoo]

7 minutes ago, The Prophet said:

I love Eddie, but I don't understand why so many are afraid to hear some home truths. PIF won't hold back at the end of the season, serious questions will be asked.

 

Is this another one?