Eddie Howe

[500bhp]

9 minutes ago, wyn davies said:

Unfortunatley thats not what PIF want, they want PL and Champs league with min Eufa league to bring in dosh every season and thats the isdue with Howe, he canot cope with those vsriables.

Exactly, this point is missed by so many. The NUFC board has publicly stated via the CEO that it wants us competing for the CL and PL by 2030 i.e. four years from now. From their point of view is there anything on Howe's CV to suggest he'll deliver this? Can he successfully juggle PL and Europe? Has he challenged for league titles before? Will they be happy with mid table this season, or even bottom half? Are out tactics agile enough to play against different formations? 

 

Doesn't matter what us gobshites on here think, we dont set the strategy or vision for NUFC or hire/fire managers. If the board are really serious about those 2030 ambitions I wouldn't be surprised if Howe goes end of May.

 

FWIW I'm still Howe In as at today, and I voted as still behind him but with reservations in the poll at the top. 

[Mattoon]

1 minute ago, 500bhp said:

Exactly, this point is missed by so many. The NUFC board has publicly stated via the CEO that it wants us competing for the CL and PL by 2030 i.e. four years from now. From their point of view is there anything on Howe's CV to suggest he'll deliver this? Can he successfully juggle PL and Europe? Has he challenged for league titles before? Will they be happy with mid table this season, or even bottom half? Are out tactics agile enough to play against different formations? 

 

Doesn't matter what us gobshites on here think, we dont set the strategy or vision for NUFC or hire/fire managers. If the board are really serious about those 2030 ambitions I wouldn't be surprised if Howe goes end of May.

 

FWIW I'm still Howe In as at today, and I voted as still behind him but with reservations in the poll at the top. 

 

Then the onus is on the CEO to ensure we maximise our commercial revenue so that we can compete financially with the elite we want to rub shoulders with, or is there some mythical, magical Manager out there with the ability to battle on multiple fronts with a relative shoe-string wage budget?

[The College Dropout]

7 minutes ago, 500bhp said:

Exactly, this point is missed by so many. The NUFC board has publicly stated via the CEO that it wants us competing for the CL and PL by 2030 i.e. four years from now. From their point of view is there anything on Howe's CV to suggest he'll deliver this? Can he successfully juggle PL and Europe? Has he challenged for league titles before? Will they be happy with mid table this season, or even bottom half? Are out tactics agile enough to play against different formations? 

 

Doesn't matter what us gobshites on here think, we dont set the strategy or vision for NUFC or hire/fire managers. If the board are really serious about those 2030 ambitions I wouldn't be surprised if Howe goes end of May.

 

FWIW I'm still Howe In as at today, and I voted as still behind him but with reservations in the poll at the top. 

We will not be competing for that in 2030. The Owners are either delusional or bullshitters or a mix of both.  

[timeEd32]

48 minutes ago, The College Dropout said:

The project is going into an entirely new phase or a ‘restart’. 
 

With the possible exception of Bruno G, I expect all of our purples to leave over the next 16 months and the older guard to be phased out. How do we rebuild? 
September 2027 I don’t expect to have or start:

Pope

Schar

Burn

Tino

Hall (maybe)

Gordon

Tonali

Trippier

 

I think this is probably true, but if we've let Hall leave the building then I would guess it's all gone wrong.

[The College Dropout]

6 minutes ago, timeEd32 said:

 

I think this is probably true, but if we've let Hall leave the building then I would guess it's all gone wrong.

He’s the least likely imo. Due to age and contract length (possibly).  
 

From the team that won the League Cup who do we expect to still be at the club summer 2027 and playing regularly?

 

Just Bruno and Joe imo. Barnes too maybe.  Maybe Burn or someone older as backup.  
 

Last 2 years we’ve stood still (or gone backwards). We should have 3-4 players we’ve signed that are adding big value now and 1 or 2 more for the future. 
 

We’ve signed - maybe 1. Tougher argument for 2.  No argument for 3.  

 

 

Edited March 3 by The College Dropout

[Kimbo]

14 minutes ago, 500bhp said:

Exactly, this point is missed by so many. The NUFC board has publicly stated via the CEO that it wants us competing for the CL and PL by 2030 i.e. four years from now. From their point of view is there anything on Howe's CV to suggest he'll deliver this? Can he successfully juggle PL and Europe? Has he challenged for league titles before? Will they be happy with mid table this season, or even bottom half? Are out tactics agile enough to play against different formations? 

 

Doesn't matter what us gobshites on here think, we dont set the strategy or vision for NUFC or hire/fire managers. If the board are really serious about those 2030 ambitions I wouldn't be surprised if Howe goes end of May.

 

FWIW I'm still Howe In as at today, and I voted as still behind him but with reservations in the poll at the top. 

I think that was the goal Staveley sold to PIF. I don’t know when the club last reiterated it but I don’t see much sign its still the goal.

[TRon]

13 minutes ago, The College Dropout said:

We will not be competing for that in 2030. The Owners are either delusional or bullshitters or a mix of both.  

 

The idea that we will be competing for CL or PL titles is fanciful, but these are more as a show of ambition rather than realistic goals. The financial restrictions in the short term mean we can't compete even if we want to. 

[Mattoon]

4 minutes ago, Kimbo said:

I think that was the goal Staveley sold to PIF. I don’t know when the club last reiterated it but I don’t see much sign its still the goal.

 

I'd have probably had more faith in it with Staveley still in the club than the chaos we've endured since she left.

 

Either way it's not a stick to beat Eddie with, give him all the tools to succeed and then judge him, he can only be judged on what has been made available to him thus far and until this season he has consistently exceeded expectations and we still can't judge him on this season until it is over.

[Kid Icarus]

Watching that Hayden interview and it's yet another player whose first word to describe him is 'intense'  Still not totally sure what they mean by it either because it could mean quite a few different things. 

[TRon]

23 minutes ago, 500bhp said:

Exactly, this point is missed by so many. The NUFC board has publicly stated via the CEO that it wants us competing for the CL and PL by 2030 i.e. four years from now. From their point of view is there anything on Howe's CV to suggest he'll deliver this? Can he successfully juggle PL and Europe? Has he challenged for league titles before? Will they be happy with mid table this season, or even bottom half? Are out tactics agile enough to play against different formations? 

 

Doesn't matter what us gobshites on here think, we dont set the strategy or vision for NUFC or hire/fire managers. If the board are really serious about those 2030 ambitions I wouldn't be surprised if Howe goes end of May.

 

FWIW I'm still Howe In as at today, and I voted as still behind him but with reservations in the poll at the top. 

 

I think the board at this point would prefer to go another season with Howe rather than go with an unknown quantity. The only thing which might impact that is if they feel they are buying players who will lose value and then be useless if they do decide to go in another direction. 

 

The question then would be, do they give Wilson another summer budget to spend on players recommended by Howe?

 

 

[Teslact]

13 minutes ago, Kimbo said:

I think that was the goal Staveley sold to PIF. I don’t know when the club last reiterated it but I don’t see much sign its still the goal.

 

Three months ago: Newcastle: CEO wants club to be among 'top' in world by 2030 - BBC Sport

[Joe1984]

Just now, Teslact said:

 

Three months ago: Newcastle: CEO wants club to be among 'top' in world by 2030 - BBC Sport

Well.

 

That's not happening in 4 years...

[Kimbo]

15 minutes ago, Teslact said:

 

Three months ago: Newcastle: CEO wants club to be among 'top' in world by 2030 - BBC Sport

He must be expecting big moves in the summer then.

[Menace]

Not like CEO's to promise the world like 

[timeEd32]

1 hour ago, The College Dropout said:

He’s the least likely imo. Due to age and contract length (possibly).  
 

From the team that won the League Cup who do we expect to still be at the club summer 2027 and playing regularly?

 

Just Bruno and Joe imo. Barnes too maybe.  Maybe Burn or someone older as backup.  
 

Last 2 years we’ve stood still (or gone backwards). We should have 3-4 players we’ve signed that are adding big value now and 1 or 2 more for the future. 
 

We’ve signed - maybe 1. Tougher argument for 2.  No argument for 3.  

 

 

 

 

Agree, but so many issues and forks in the road to unpack with that.

 

We took PSR to the brink and then had to sit out three straight windows. You can blame PSR or you can blame our strategy, which then leads to the very unsatisfactory debate of who should we not have bought in the summer of 2023? You could argue that Ashworth's idea of selling Joelinton was the right call and no doubt we'd be feeling better if Anderson/Minteh were in the team, but do we win the trophy? Are we in the Champions League right now? 

 

We chose to continually add players to the existing core for years. It's hard to argue it didn't pay off, but we're now facing the need for a big reset. And we made it worse by having the summer we just had.

[jack j]

2 hours ago, 500bhp said:

Exactly, this point is missed by so many. The NUFC board has publicly stated via the CEO that it wants us competing for the CL and PL by 2030 i.e. four years from now. 

Good luck to them with that then. We are a billion miles off challenging for premier league titles

Not sure how people can't see how much Howe has had the club overachieving up until this season.

[timeEd32]

12 minutes ago, jack j said:

Good luck to them with that then. We are a billion miles off challenging for premier league titles

Not sure how people can't see how much Howe has had the club overachieving up until this season.

 

And some of the Twitter idiots use the "well if we want to be #1 by 2030..." as justification for why Eddie should be sacked ASAP. 

[AyeDubbleYoo]

I’m worried about next season. Imagine how much nonsense we could chat if there wasn’t a match every 3 days. 

[HaydnNUFC]

The 2029-30 season is 3 summer transfer windows away. Not a chance Hopkinson’s claim rings true.

[Keegans Export]

3 hours ago, 500bhp said:

Exactly, this point is missed by so many. The NUFC board has publicly stated via the CEO that it wants us competing for the CL and PL by 2030 i.e. four years from now. From their point of view is there anything on Howe's CV to suggest he'll deliver this? Can he successfully juggle PL and Europe? Has he challenged for league titles before? Will they be happy with mid table this season, or even bottom half? Are out tactics agile enough to play against different formations? 

 

Doesn't matter what us gobshites on here think, we dont set the strategy or vision for NUFC or hire/fire managers. If the board are really serious about those 2030 ambitions I wouldn't be surprised if Howe goes end of May.

 

FWIW I'm still Howe In as at today, and I voted as still behind him but with reservations in the poll at the top. 

For me, this is the key part.

 

Assuming we don't get past Barca and Man City respectively we're looking at League Cup SF, 5th Round FA Cup & Champions League R16. The league finish will probably end up disappointing (anything below 8th) but overall not a disaster. 

 

The problem is - blaming our poor defensive organisation and dull attacking play on a lack of time on the training ground suggests that he can't do both and if he can't then we have absolutely no chance of progressing beyond where we are now. 

 

If I was in the boardroom I'd be working on the assumption that he's staying in place next season but I'd want to know that he at least has an idea of how he can get his plan/message across without having week-long gaps between fixtures. I'd worry that even if my DOF managed to put together a solid 25-man squad that they'd still play like a bunch of disjointed strangers because they arent spending three of four days in a row training together. 

[GEFAFWISP]

1 hour ago, HaydnNUFC said:

The 2029-30 season is 3 summer transfer windows away. Not a chance Hopkinson’s claim rings true.

He won't be here to care by then.

[TheBrownBottle]

2 hours ago, timeEd32 said:

 

And some of the Twitter idiots use the "well if we want to be #1 by 2030..." as justification for why Eddie should be sacked ASAP. 

The Twitter idiots aren’t the ones who put that up to be fair

[TheBrownBottle]

13 minutes ago, Keegans Export said:

For me, this is the key part.

 

Assuming we don't get past Barca and Man City respectively we're looking at League Cup SF, 5th Round FA Cup & Champions League R16. The league finish will probably end up disappointing (anything below 8th) but overall not a disaster. 

 

The problem is - blaming our poor defensive organisation and dull attacking play on a lack of time on the training ground suggests that he can't do both and if he can't then we have absolutely no chance of progressing beyond where we are now. 

 

If I was in the boardroom I'd be working on the assumption that he's staying in place next season but I'd want to know that he at least has an idea of how he can get his plan/message across without having week-long gaps between fixtures. I'd worry that even if my DOF managed to put together a solid 25-man squad that they'd still play like a bunch of disjointed strangers because they arent spending three of four days in a row training together. 

100%.  Either we’ve signed the stupidest squad of players in world football who need a full week of drills every week to remember how to play football, or something else is happening. 

[Andy84]

I don’t know like we went from no hopers in 21-22 but turned into CL club over 2 good windows. The recruitment would have to be be stellar but it’s a funny old game 

[TheBrownBottle]

2 minutes ago, Andy84 said:

I don’t know like we went from no hopers in 21-22 but turned into CL club over 2 good windows. The recruitment would have to be be stellar but it’s a funny old game 

That always looked viable to me - momentum is a thing, and when you’re absolutely shit then signing better players isn’t difficult.  You also need a fair bit of luck - three of the sky six being mismanaged to buggery helps, and that situation was never going to last; they’ve got too much money coming in.

 

It’s far harder to get from fifth to first than it is to get from fifteenth to fifth - replacing really good players with even better ones whilst keeping it rolling is what the very, very best can do.  Last summer was the first real test of that - and fuck me did we fail badly.