Eddie Howe

[AyeDubbleYoo]

Just now, TK-421 said:

 

I don't think the club did either, but given the age profiles, thats how the respective targets were generally perceived. We still had Isak, albeit on strike, saying he wasn't for sale when we first pursued Wissa, so had we called his/Liverpools bluff and sorted things, we may have just stuck with going for Wissa who'd then have been the 2nd striker (Wilson) alongside Isak.

 

At the time I thought Wissa and Woltemade were a sensible combo. One who could lead the line at the start and was proven to have PL goals in him. The other a younger wild card who could be introduced gradually. But obviously the Wissa injury sorted that out. 

[Jesse Pinkman]

I just don’t think Howe really gets it.
 

He doesn’t understand the derby and thinks it’s like a game against Brentford. The players never look up for it and lose a lot of second balls. 
 

Whereas Sunderland always want it a lot more. That Sunderland player at the end that made the mistake was crying with happiness/ relief when they pulled it back. The ones that seem to get it are Burn, Bruno and Joelinton. 

 

 

Edited March 22 by Jesse Pinkman

[AyeDubbleYoo]

Just now, Milburn said:

Newcastle are now in a position where the DoF was effectively appointed on Howe’s recommendation, and one of the heads of recruitment is his nephew. Make of that what you want...

 

From what I've read it sounds more like Wilson just started talking to Howe before he was appointed to build a good relationship. They hadn't actually worked together before, had they?

[Sir Joel Inton]

3 minutes ago, dcmk said:

 

 

We apparently had the opportunity to sit down with his reps to do a play and pay deal.  Sounds like someone we were desperate to keep doesn't it..

 

We made an offer to Wilson which had a lower base salary than he was on with incentives based on appearance numbers. Wilson rejected it.

 

It wasn’t an entirely “pay as you play” deal and we made a contract offer to him. So aye, I’d say that sounds like we tried to keep him.

[The Prophet]

3 minutes ago, Milburn said:

At places like Arsenal, City and Liverpool, the structure is still club-led. The recruitment model, profiling and long-term planning sit above the manager. 

 

“Final say” in practice usually means veto power, not that the manager drives the process or that the recruitment department/DoF chases players based on the manager’s command. The concern is when it tips into manager-led recruitment rather than a proper club strategy, but because that’s when you lose continuity the moment the manager changes.

 

Newcastle are now in a position where the DoF was effectively appointed on Howe’s recommendation, and one of the heads of recruitment is his nephew. Make of that what you want...

 

Our structure is very much club led. Until last summer, our talent ID was pretty much impeccable and even then our first choice targets all look pretty good. Last summer was a failure in execution more than anything and there's a pretty obvious rationale for that.

[TheBrownBottle]

7 minutes ago, AyeDubbleYoo said:

 

At the time I thought Wissa and Woltemade were a sensible combo. One who could lead the line at the start and was proven to have PL goals in him. The other a younger wild card who could be introduced gradually. But obviously the Wissa injury sorted that out. 

Howe’s already said that Wissa is fit, and has been for some time.  He was unlucky to get the injury he did - but he came back last year.  The lad has a clear and obvious attitude problem and has been poorly scouted - which didn’t even require anyone to actually do any scouting, but simply to turn to the back pages of the press and see he went on strike against his own club. 

[dcmk]

2 minutes ago, Sir Joel Inton said:

 

We made an offer to Wilson which had a lower base salary than he was on with incentives based on appearance numbers. Wilson rejected it.

 

It wasn’t an entirely “pay as you play” deal and we made a contract offer to him. So aye, I’d say that sounds like we tried to keep him.

All the reports are we talked to his reps about a pay and play deal. We could have extended his contract - we choose not to.

 

If he had signed a pay and play deal we were always going to sign another striker to rotate with Isak, hence the early links with numerous strikers like Mbeumo, Delap 

 

Hence why Wilson wasn't the plan.

 

 

[AyeDubbleYoo]

Just now, TheBrownBottle said:

Howe’s already said that Wissa is fit, and has been for some time.  He was unlucky to get the injury he did - but he came back last year.  The lad has a clear and obvious attitude problem and has been poorly scouted - which didn’t even require anyone to actually do any scouting, but simply to turn to the back pages of the press and see he went on strike against his own club. 

 

Sure now he's fit, but I still believe the injury was a massive blow to his career here. 

[Famous Nick]

huge summer for DoF and CEO. setting the direction, revamping transfer system, I actual hope this is already done in the background and worked on since months,   and we are scouting potential targets already and not looking at options only in July.

Howe has his issues, tactically especially, managing busy calendars, what to do when we dont have a week to prepare for our high intensity style which is when we are at our best. he may need to think to get another assistant who will challenge him tactically, give a different tactical idea etc. someone who worked at CL level before.

 

but it starts with owners, they set targets, if they want regular CL, they need to bring sponsors, bend the rules, improve squad, raise salaries to be more in line with rivals which is obv very hard as all kind of corrupt rules put in place to stop that. the way PSR set up is to make sure no one can jump in from the outside to inside the big boys without being limited and forced to sell their players. City, Arsenal, Liverpool , Chelsea can keep adding to their squad. Villa, Newcastle dont have this luxury. they can also afford number of flops and go again next window. we do a flop transfer, it might reduce us for same position for 2 years. still unsure of Wissa/Woltemade, but doubt we gonna make another striker transfer. we need to try to get best out of these two. if Chelsea got them, they would move them out or loan one/sell one and bring in another two upgrades. Joao Felix, Nicolas Jackson--> Delap, Joao Pedro)

 

my worry is some players if they have suitors they will ask to be sold. Hall, Livramento, Bruno, Tonali main ones that can have offers from top CL clubs. if that happens which is more understannable after a season like this then Isak's after last season which ended positively with cup success and getting into CL. no cup success, acceptable CL performance but crashed out with a huge loss, and very poor PL results where we arent any better than mediocre Fulham, Sunderland with lot lesser squads..

 

moment of truth this summer of which direction the project is going. bit worried owners aint as much focused due to Iran conflict and to be fair the whole Saudi league project is going sideways. are they still adamant of making us number 1 in the word,  make us Champions, build new stadium etc, whats the timeline. getting that 7-2 loss at world stage probably didnt help.

 

[Sir Joel Inton]

3 minutes ago, dcmk said:

All the reports are we talked to his reps about a pay and play deal. We could have extended his contract - we choose not to.

 

If he had signed a pay and play deal we were always going to sign another striker to rotate with Isak, hence the early links with numerous strikers like Mbeumo, Delap 

 

Hence why Wilson wasn't the plan.

 

 

 

“All the reports”… took less than 2 minutes and one search to identify this one:

 

https://www.chroniclelive.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/newcastle-united-make-contract-decision-32006777.amp

 

“However, Newcastle have not managed to agree on an extension for Callum Wilson yet. Howe was keen to keep the no.9 with an incentivised deal on the table for the ex-AFC Bournemouth star, one offer was turned down last week but that could still change.”

 

We could have extended his contract on his existing terms, but chose not to, whilst still wanting to retain him on a cheaper salary. You’re confusing these two separate points.

 

 

Edited March 22 by Sir Joel Inton

[alexf]

10 minutes ago, Jesse Pinkman said:

I just don’t think Howe really gets it.
 

He doesn’t understand the derby and thinks it’s like a game against Brentford. The players never look up for it and lose a lot of second balls. 
 

Whereas Sunderland always want it a lot more. That Sunderland player at the end that made the mistake was crying with happiness/ relief when they pulled it back. The ones that seem to get it are Burn, Bruno and Joelinton. 

 

 

 

 

Not that I'm excusing our performance in anyway. But both derbies this year we have played off the back of an away fixture in the champions league a few days before. I think that has a lot to do with it as most of our players looked shattered by 20 mins today.

[TK-421]

3 minutes ago, AyeDubbleYoo said:

 

Sure now he's fit, but I still believe the injury was a massive blow to his career here. 

 

I don't think the selections since he came back from that injury have helped either. He was pretty much alternated with Wolte, and never really given a 'run' in the side to get up to speed.

Not saying he doesn't have other issues (attutude) that have contributed to his selection (or not), but from the oustide, just seems he's not had the chance to be given a run in the side.

Think the same selection/rotation issue impacted Woltes progress, and now he is where he is... looking out of sorts, low on confidence, playing in midfield.

 

 

Edited March 22 by TK-421

[Milburn]

7 minutes ago, AyeDubbleYoo said:

 

From what I've read it sounds more like Wilson just started talking to Howe before he was appointed to build a good relationship. They hadn't actually worked together before, had they?

 

There is reporting that Howe advocated for Wilson coming in (The Guardian I believe), which is interesting in itself. But there’s no evidence they have worked together before

 

Wilson himself has talked about there likely being better value outside the Premier League, so it’ll be interesting to see if that actually translates into a different approach.

 

Hopefully we’re done paying £100m+ for “PL-proven” players like Wissa and Elanga. Those transfers make me sick. 

[Chicken Dancer]

Just now, alexf said:

 

Not that I'm excusing our performance in anyway. But both derbies this year we have played off the back of an away fixture in the champions league a few days before. I think that has a lot to do with it as most of our players looked shattered by 20 mins today.

Agree, but we also start nigh on every home game the same. Our entire game plan is to start like a house on fire and hope to score early, which in itself seems pointless as we can’t hold on to a lead. 
 

Plenty times we look absolutely burnt out by 20/30 minutes in, but we run ourselves into the ground in that period so one of them. 

[TheBrownBottle]

Just now, AyeDubbleYoo said:

 

Sure now he's fit, but I still believe the injury was a massive blow to his career here. 

I agree, it absolutely didn’t help.  But what he’s done since coming back has been absolutely dire 

[Dava1892]

1 minute ago, alexf said:

 

Not that I'm excusing our performance in anyway. But both derbies this year we have played off the back of an away fixture in the champions league a few days before. I think that has a lot to do with it as most of our players looked shattered by 20 mins today.

Fuck me mate, I goto work 7 days a week sometimes. I don’t like it and I don’t want to. These bastards turn up for a few hours per day and are paid an unreal amount of money. Fuck being tired, there been a lot of games but I’d argue he has rotated somewhat over the past few weeks due to injuries so they all can’t be knackered. Only really seen Gordon full of running today tbh

[lovejoy]

2 minutes ago, Milburn said:

 

There is reporting that Howe advocated for Wilson coming in (The Guardian I believe), which is interesting in itself. But there’s no evidence they have worked together before

 

Wilson himself has talked about there likely being better value outside the Premier League, so it’ll be interesting to see if that actually translates into a different approach.

 

Hopefully we’re done paying £100m+ for “PL-proven” players like Wissa and Elanga. Those transfers make me sick. 

I think we’ll recruit two from the premier league this summer, I expect Delap will be one and Bueno the other. The majority of our business will be done elsewhere though. 

[lovejoy]

9 minutes ago, TheBrownBottle said:

Howe’s already said that Wissa is fit, and has been for some time.  He was unlucky to get the injury he did - but he came back last year.  The lad has a clear and obvious attitude problem and has been poorly scouted - which didn’t even require anyone to actually do any scouting, but simply to turn to the back pages of the press and see he went on strike against his own club. 

We really do want shooting for doing the Wissa deal.

[dcmk]

5 minutes ago, Sir Joel Inton said:

 

“All the reports”… took less than 2 minutes and one search to identify this one:

 

https://www.chroniclelive.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/newcastle-united-make-contract-decision-32006777.amp

 

“However, Newcastle have not managed to agree on an extension for Callum Wilson yet. Howe was keen to keep the no.9 with an incentivised deal on the table for the ex-AFC Bournemouth star, one offer was turned down last week but that could still change.”

 

We could have extended his contract on his existing terms, but chose not to, whilst still wanting to retain him on a cheaper salary. You’re confusing these two separate points.

 

 

 

 

Quote

"However, Newcastle have not managed to agree on an extension for Callum Wilson yet. Howe was keen to keep the no.9 with an incentivised deal on the table for the ex-AFC Bournemouth star, one offer was turned down last week but that could still change"

 

Aka: Pay and play.

 

Here's another article for you, try and read this one. And same author believe it not.

 

https://www.chroniclelive.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/callum-wilsons-newcastle-united-contract-31724452

 

Headline: Callum Wilson's Newcastle United contract talks explained as Leeds lurk amid 'pay as you play' offer

 

So, no.  

[Dava1892]

1 minute ago, lovejoy said:

I think we’ll recruit two from the premier league this summer, I expect Delap will be one and Bueno the other. The majority of our business will be done elsewhere though. 

There’s a great pick of prem players who we could snap up. Don’t think we necessary need to superstars either, Eddie can coach any players off the pace. 
 

[Guillaume]

17 minutes ago, Jesse Pinkman said:

I just don’t think Howe really gets it.
 

He doesn’t understand the derby and thinks it’s like a game against Brentford. The players never look up for it and lose a lot of second balls. 
 

Whereas Sunderland always want it a lot more. That Sunderland player at the end that made the mistake was crying with happiness/ relief when they pulled it back. The ones that seem to get it are Burn, Bruno and Joelinton. 

 

 

 

15 years since we beat them in a derby, different managers and players on each team through those years, I'm not sure what does it each time, but we are pretty much always the favourite and higher up the table. 

We gave them the win today.

 

 

[TBG]

Worse than Pardew?

[Alberto2005]

1 hour ago, Yorkie said:

 

Personally I don't see how the specific position really matters. In the league's hierarchy, we've dropped from CL chasers to mid-table hopefuls. 9th, 12th, 14th - it's all much of a muchness imo. 

 

The point is we've had a ceiling placed upon us and, what do you know, we've hit it. I feel like that's what the history books should read on this season rather than "it was going mint then everyone just shat the bed."

Ill re-phrase it then, our performances in the league this season have been on the whole rubbish.

That's nothing to do with ceilings, we've got enough quality in the squad to be performing far better and that's on Eddie unfortunately.

[nufcjmc]

1 minute ago, TheBrownBottle said:

I agree, it absolutely didn’t help.  But what he’s done since coming back has been absolutely dire 

Exactly the injury was a bad one but he "returned" mid December one small reported setback from training so hes been available for selection for over 3 months and we are now playing a winger who fancies himself as a striker instead of him. 

 

 

 

[JasMann]

3 minutes ago, lovejoy said:

I think we’ll recruit two from the premier league this summer, I expect Delap will be one and Bueno the other. The majority of our business will be done elsewhere though. 

Beuno would be a good fit